Football Players (Soccer players)

[Dionysius]

PSG just won 4-0 against Barcelona, the best team in the world

Great players in PSG:

Marco Verrati - ENFj-Ni - EIE (Hamlet)



Edinson Cavani - ISTj-Ti - LSI (Maxim)



Julian Draxler - ENFp-Fi - IEE (Huxley)



Angel Di María - ISTp-Si - SLI (Gabin)



Two dualities in the offensive side of the field. Interesting!

[wasp]

I think it's time we revisit this thread

[khcs]

Toni Kroos - Dumas

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[khcs]

Neymar da Silva Santos Júnior - INFP - Yesenin

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[khcs]

Lionel Messi - Hugo

[khcs]

Cristiano Ronaldo - Hugo

[khcs]

Paul Pogba - Hamlet

[khcs]

Diego Maradona - ESTP - Zhukov

[1981slater]

Leo Messi, SLI, ISTp
Cristiano Ronaldo, EIE, ENFj
Diego Maradona, SEE, ESFp
Pele, ESE, ESFj
Alfredo Distefano, SLI, ISTp
Johann Cruyff, LSE, ESTj
Zinedine Zidane, LSI, ISTj

Pep Guardiola, LIE, ENTj
Jose Mourinho, ILI, INTp
Julen Lopetegui, SLI, ISTp
Ernesto Valverde, SLI, ISTp
Neymar, SLE, ESTp
Optimus Prime, delta ST
Grimlock, SLE, ESTp
Donald Trump, SLE, ESTp
Nikola Tesla, ILE, ENTp
Thomas Edison, LSE, ESTj

[Breather]

Leo Messi, SLI, ISTp
Cristiano Ronaldo, EIE, ENFj
Diego Maradona, SEE, ESFp
Pele, ESE, ESFj
Alfredo Distefano, SLI, ISTp
Johann Cruyff, LSE, ESTj
Zinedine Zidane, LSI, ISTj

Pep Guardiola, LIE, ENTj
Jose Mourinho, ILI, INTp
Julen Lopetegui, SLI, ISTp
Ernesto Valverde, SLI, ISTp
Neymar, SLE, ESTp
Optimus Prime, delta ST
Grimlock, SLE, ESTp
Donald Trump, SLE, ESTp
Nikola Tesla, ILE, ENTp
Thomas Edison, LSE, ESTj

Neymar and Mbappe both seem Si leading, Mbappe possibly 8w9
Mourinho - Ti ego?
Maradona not Beta NF? Although my information on him is very limited compared to the other typings

[Jarno]

the ones that i know:

Leo Messi, SLI, ISTp ----------AGREED!
Cristiano Ronaldo, EIE, ENFj ------------------AGREED!
Diego Maradona, SEE, ESFp -------------------AGREED!
Johann Cruyff, LSE, ESTj ------------------EITHER ESTJ OR ENTJ

[Dionysius The Return]

Revisiting this thread after many years. Member 1981slater did a great job and typed correctly many players, but made some mistakes. I corrected almost all of them and I'm correcting a few more below:

Mourinho, who I believed was LIE, I'm starting to question it. He is too grumbling, too intense, too material, too conservative, his defensive, orthodox style is extremely contrasting to high-risk, full-emcompassing-of-possibilities LIE style such as that from Cruyff and Guardiola. I believe Mourinho is probably LSE or an aggressive subtype of SLI. I'm still unsure, but I realized he is probably Sensory. As for someone's hypothesis for another typing, Mou has all elements of your typical neurotic Te Ego: rigid, cold, ironic, critical, authoritative, etc. Now, he has a tendency to be very grumbling and whining, which is typical of Delta STs, and not very particular of LIEs, who are described as positive-minded optimists who take negative things from the positive side. (When Guardiola loses, he always uses that as motivation, and says how "difficult" it is to win, etc, never in a self-defeating manner. He believes in future prospects, while Mourinho gets stuck in the past and present struggles - this could be a sign of weak intuition, along with his known lack of adaptation to modern tactics and coaching and him being stuck on his methods and style that worked great in the past - but not nearly as great in the last 10 years).

Regarding Neymar, as another member mentioned, just watch any interview from him. He has a lot of difficulty to articulate thoughts, he never gives opinions on anything (something that is very criticized in his own country Brazil), showing that his perception of reality and his Logic are quite weak. He lives mostly enjoying little pleasures of life (comfort, nerdy videogames, women, and his friends - quite Alpha quadra). He is very emotional, sensitive, and says he wants to retire young because of 1) the criticism (Introverts are also often the most sensitive to media criticism. Extraverts have bigger Egos and can handle them more confidently) and 2) because he wants long vacations, he hates work (Te PoLR?). He says he wants to play in the MLS, a league that has like 5 months of off-season. Very Si thing. He wants things easy and soft, without tensions, grinding and pressure. SLE? Never. Neymar is an arrogant subtype of SEI. (Not all SEIs are humble softies, even though it's the tendency). Neymar also doesn't have that particular physical aggression and strenght of Se. He is extremely skinny and fragile physically, always jumping making lots of drama (Fe) and getting injured because of his weak bones. Se Base? Nope. An interesting coincidence is Marco Reus, another Si Base (SLI), is always getting injured as well, very fragile. Se according to Jung in Psychological Types is the function associated with physical vitality. One could compare Neymar to Ronaldinho (SEE), but the extreme drama (Fe), the physical fragility (weak Se), and the penchant for nerdiness (Ne) puts him in the SEI sphere, even though SEI and SEE can behave in similar fashion. After all they're very similar, dichotomy-function-wise.

*Disclaimer: people in Socionics classify as Se Ego all those who behave in assertive, confrontational fashion, but that is not always the case. There are a few Si Egos and even Ne Base types who can act tough, appearing similar to Se Egos. This will happen often with people from latin cultures, who have a tendency to more emotional and intense behavior)

Some new corrections:

Pelé SEE
Kaká EII
Ibrahimovic LSI >
Batistuta SLI >
Di María ESI >
Aubameyang ESI
Mascherano LSI
Antonio Conte LSI

Latter I'll give some brand typings for young players and others that weren't typed in this thread. By the way, these typing lists made by these other recent members were totally off, maybe like 5% of accuracy, something very very bad. You guys should re-visit VI, and study more about the theory. 1981slater's typings, as a comparison, were way superior.

[Not A Communist Shill]

Peter Crouch - mb ILE

[Breather]

Peter Crouch - mb ILE

I think EII or IEI, extroverted sub, there's this affable and sensitivity about him that I think is equal to a 4D Fi type.

[Metaphor]

EII sounded plausible, he seemed to be a light hearted one in the pitch.

[Irime]

Wojciech Szczęsny - SEE
Radja Nainggolan - SLE

[AndyW]

"I'm sorry he didn't get to play, but no one knows what will happen," Zidane said.
"If I think a player doesn't fit in the team, I have to do what I think works best.
"No one can change what Bale has done for the team, but as a coach I have to live in the present."

Zinedine Zidane said this today and my immediate thought was, "Is there a 16Types thread for footballers and has anyone typed him as SLI yet?"

[Delilah]

"I'm sorry he didn't get to play, but no one knows what will happen," Zidane said.
"If I think a player doesn't fit in the team, I have to do what I think works best.
"No one can change what Bale has done for the team, but as a coach I have to live in the present."

Zinedine Zidane said this today and my immediate thought was, "Is there a 16Types thread for footballers and has anyone typed him as SLI yet?"

Odd thing, i had a typing for Zidane since forever ago, so here goes: how about EXFp for him? Unsure if ESFp or ENFp, but some version of Fi creative Fe demonstrative seems to make most sense imo.

[khcs]

Zinedine Zidane - ISTJ - Gorky

[1981slater]

I realised that Maradona is SLI

[Ikite iru]

this website has a very strange idea of Si dominant types.

[Breather]

Ozil is definitely Beta, he's too ambitious and Ni/Fe valuing to be a Gamma.

IEIs and EIEs can have strong value systems. He's undoubtedly beta. Probably Ni sub.

There are plenty of Gammas in German football, not Ozil.

Ozil, Henry and Rosicky might be the same type, supervised by Wenger (LIE)

[Chae]

does anyone have a grasp on the german national team 2021? including the new coach (hansi flick). i was curious about our attackers especially

(bonus if someone typed the french team too)

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

aww @Chae is back.

[RaptorsMavs]

Zidane = intp
Hansi Flick = intj
Thierry Henry = intj
Thomas Muller = entp
Alphonso Davies = enfp
Lewendowski = istp
Kingsley Coman = istp
Kimmich = intj
Neymar = isfp
Mbappe = esfj
Neur = estj
Jogi Low = intp

[Ikite iru]

Players

Maradonna - beta NF, leaning more towards IEI now
Mohamed Salah - IEI
Thomas Müller - ILE
Cristiano Ronaldo - EIE
Neymar - EIE
Megan Rapinoe EIE
Ronaldinho - SEE
Luis Suárez - SEE
Erling Haaland - LSI
Zinédine Zidane - ESI
Andrea Pirlo - ESI
Sergio Ramos - ESI
Messi - ESI
David Beckham - ESI
Mesut Özil - ESI
Marco Reus - ESI
Mario Götze - ESI
Robert Lewandowski - ESI
Manuel Neuer - ESI
Jérôme Boateng - ESI
Max Kruse - ESI
Toni Kroos - ESI
Lothar Matthäus - ESI
Oliver Kahn - LIE


Coaches

Hansi Flick - ESI
Jürgen Klopp - IEI
Thomas Tuchel - IEI
Joachim Löw- IEI
Stanislaw Tschertschessow - LSI
Andrij Schewtschenko - LSI
Diego Simeone - SEE
José Mourinho - ILI
Ralf Rangnick - ILI
Pep Guardiola - LIE
Julian Nagelsmann - LIE

[Lycantrope]

[QUOTE=Alive;1510321]Players

Maradonna - beta NF probably
Thomas Müller - ILE not sure, probably not
Cristiano Ronaldo not sure, he is kind of a narcissist
Neymar - EIE - IEE
Ronaldinho - SEE - IEE
Luis Suárez - SEE check
Sergio Ramos - ESI check
Messi - ESI - SLI

[Metaphor]

Hm, what about Se-base for Ronaldo?
I thought Beta would be quite fitting probably.

[Ikite iru]

[QUOTE=Lincatrope;1510989]

Players
Messi - ESI - SLI

I think Mats Hummels is an SLI, but he's a german player. Messi recently got a deal with some crypto company I think. soccer has become very gamma. it's all about money. sheikh's owning clubs, sponsorships everywhere etc.

[Ryan]

Recoba is the most obvious IEI I have seen.

He could have been one of the most renowned players ever but he was extremely lazy in and out of the field and missed lots of training sessions. If he wasn't a fan favorite and a friend of the president of the club at the time, he would have been sacked way earlier in his career. Still, in his prime he was such a beauty to watch.

From his Wikipedia page

Despite his talent, Recoba was often injury-prone throughout his career, and was also criticised for his poor work-rate and inconsistency, which has led pundits and managers to accuse him of not fulfilling his potential.

[Ikite iru]

"De Bruyne is widely regarded as one of the best players in the world, and he has often been described as a "complete" footballer. Considered to be a versatile and highly talented player in the media, he plays mainly as a*central*or an*attacking midfielder*but can also operate in several other positions, and has been used as a*winger*or*second striker; he has even been deployed in a*deeper creative midfield position, or even in a*box-to-box role*on occasion, or as a*false 9. He is often described by pundits as one of the best and most complete modern day*advanced playmakers, due to his technique, skill, athleticism, work-rate off the ball, vision,*crossing*accuracy, wide range of passing, and powerful long-range shooting ability with either foot."

That doesn't sound like Se PolR at all

De Bruyne was the Official Ambassador for the 2014 Special Olympics in Antwerp and posed as part of the 'Would you still be my fan if I looked like this?' advertising campaign. ") as a person with Down syndrome.

Hmm mb IEI

[Ikite iru]

Was asking for this video specifically felt like it highlighted Se polr. Not sure how your post necessarily disprove SE polr but im no socionics expert. What would you type him?

My guess was IEI. The Problem I have as LII is the very poor perception of reality due to low Se, which you at least need to value somewhat as a central figure in a team. When I played soccer as a kid, I was mostly playing as a striker, waiting for opportunities

[Ryan]

I see, i was also more confortable playing striker waiting for opportunities but not just striker. I could press well i felt like i had good timing to know when to press seing how to approach a player and when he is uncomfortable. Could push the ball on counter attack if there is space, pass the ball to who's open. Everything was revolved around seing what the team need at the moment i felt like the fact that i wasn't there SE grounded but more analyzing really helped a lot. The way soccer is set help Type like LII imo cause pitch is big you can observe everything see the patterns ect and you have all this time to analyze and see what's really happening, compared to basketball for example who's so fast paced and you have a player on you at all time pressuring you. You need top reflex there and can't afford to not be there.

De bruyne is a central piece in a way where he doesn't need the ball all the time you watch him sometime you forget he is there but he has a very good timing and always make the right choice. He is important cause of how many things he can do on the pitch, he is complete but it's how intelligent, he is with his decision making. You will not remember him by how much he actually did on the pitch and how much you saw him, you won't always see him idk if you get me but when he touch the ball it's always good that's how you remember him and he is a central piece in that way he help the team a lot by making always the right move at right time.

Also i can ask you but was you the type to go 1v1 on the wing or try to go at player directly with skills and pace overpower them? Cause ik i was terrible at this and you watch debruyne he rarely does it in game he just use space and opportunities if he see a way and he is technical.

I feel like winger is really more where having low SE would penalize you it's fast paced, lot of direct 1v1 we ask you to really push and put pressure it's basically a dual on the wing and you're by yourself.

I played both positions but I agree with you, I like creating opportunities and setting up others to score. It comes naturally to me. When I played as a striker I still set up goals for other players. Also, I'm a tactics nerd so even as a player I played more strategically than the average player.

[Ryan]

Was asking for this video specifically felt like it highlighted Se polr.

It did. Both you and me understand it. Alive is being silly. ILI/IEI wouldn't find it as offensive that people are trying to move them physically or stop them. Besides it seemed to me that Kevin really wanted to clarify something with the ref or whoever he was seeking, he didn't want to get physical. I don't know him personally but he is not the type of a player that usually creates problems or disrespects officials or anyone on the field.

Balzac, Male Portrait, INTp by Beskova
In spite of their fullness and considerable size, BALZACs do not make an impression of being sturdy. It is easy to move them or to go around them. They as if do not occupy space, and even if they do, they glide along side of it, as large soap bubble glides along the floor.

Esenin, Male portrait, INFp by Beskova
One of his distinctive traits is that you can physically move him to the right or to the left. The IEI does not resist physical force, unless it's too crude and rough.

[Ryan]

The individual tends to overreact to aggressive or confrontational behavior, taking it as a personal threat when it may only be a knee-jerk reaction or the result of a bad mood.

He tends to avoid intruding on others' space or engaging in behavior that may be perceived as coercive, and tries hard to handle his needs by being disciplined and well-prepared himself - rather than relying on others to do things for him. If these strategies fail, his efforts at dealing with the resulting conflict make him look actively pushy in a way that appears awkward and unnatural to others. This opens him up to painful criticism and feelings of weakness and helplessness.

He is able to moralize and instruct others about what they should do and why, but he is not prepared for others' active resistance or refusal to do as he says. In his mind, this would require him to put aside reason and good feelings and simply make the other person do what is necessary. This is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for him to do.


The only reason that video blew up and everyone found it funny it's cause it's actually De bruyne. Misunderstanding emotion being let out and confrontation happens often in football but for debruyne it's rare and everyone saw how he handled it, he was overreacting and it came out awkwardly and they made fun of him lol.

Exactly.

[Ikite iru]

I mean as an LII, the last thing I would like to do is to talk. I relate more to someone like paul dirac.

Dirac was reserved by nature. He didn't mind keeping quiet in company and only giving very taciturn answers to questions, committed to a strict love of truth, of which numerous anecdotes were common. At the venerable St. John's College, Dirac's fellow students even named a new unit of measure after the crooked bird: a Dirac is the smallest imaginable number of words that a linguistically gifted person utters on average in the company of others - one per hour.

[Ikite iru]

I'm very tired so not really focused but de bruyne seems more like an IxFx type to me, maybe with a dominant or creative subtype. His ex girlfriend cheated on him with a teammate and he still decided to continue playing with that guy. He seems very passive overall. Not like a coldblooded logical type.

[Ikite iru]

I take back a couple of ESI typings that I've made here. watched more interviews and one thing that I noticed is that soccer players really aren't that interesting to listen to. I made these typings long ago, so I'm unsure about them. I'm convinced now that Zinédine Zidane and Lionel Messi are IEI, though

[RaptorsMavs]

I don’t know if any amount of faith, wisdom, Bunny, or magic give me a 2006 World Cup trophy, even though I did grab many of them in the aftermath. Perhaps it’s for the better, but if only we could also add 2006…

[RaptorsMavs]

I mean, Andrea Pirlo is a very interesting guy, but Zidane won Euro 2000 with phantom express roulette arsenal penetrating and zapping all resistance.