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    Quote Originally Posted by curiouslikeacat View Post
    Insane ENTj. That's freaky! I'm getting chills, you human clock you. (jk)
    Its not something I can control. Sometimes I even don't like it, it would be nicer and more enjoyable.
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    Some random ideas that I apply to my life and came to me as insights after interacting with duals. Of course, there's a lot more to life than this, but these have given me so much power over accomplishing goals that I think it can be useful for a lot of people

    0. Be careful with overdoing any of the following rules. The consequences can be disastrous for your life and the life of others. If used with intelligence, they can put your life on a higher plane of experience and power.
    1. Simplicity is beautiful and makes systems work with less propensity for mistakes. Complexity can be harder to handle and interpret but also be more specialized in it's goal's accomplishment
    2. Innovation creates contrasts and attracts intelligent beings. The known creates comfort whereas innovation creates tension.
    3. The more tried, tested, and validated, the more predictable the results.
    4. Becoming a better person consciously and giving the impression of continuous advancement on things puts you in accordance with the flow of life and ensures continuous advancement/betterment of one's life. It also makes you more attractive, and creates better opportunities for meaningful interactions with others.
    5. Being present in the moment let's you free yourself from your mind. The no thought rule ensures better quality alone time, and promotes peace of mind.
    6. Taking massive action ensures results.
    7. The number one anti procrastination tool is to forbid yourself from doing anything else other than the task that needs to be completed. No distractions allowed. Even destructive thoughts may be thrown away.
    8. To have absolute control over money getting, learn to sell. It's easier to sell things/ideas that you would buy yourself
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    I feel so alive! What seemed otherworldly has now become my own (not so) secret world. I would never have guessed duality could be this great. 1,1 years later and it is better than ever. Stronger than ever. More alive than ever. Do we have conflict? Yes, sometimes, but we don't hurt each other, we only solve a puzzle together. Does it get stressful? Sometimes, due to natural differences. But the benefits out weight the challenges so much more that I can say I've never been so happy my whole life. I've connected with my natural inclinations so much. And I feel so free and valued for being who I am. I definitely need to write a book about it. Just wow

    Anyone who says duality is a myth is so clueless. If they only knew...
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    Duality is supposed to destroy all paradigms on stereotypes, how people should be and act and roles in a relationship. Each dual pair has its own world with its own rules, it will never make sense what we do to outsiders. And once you've dualized with them, you probably won't be fit for other types of relationships, or you'll have to relearn how not to be 100% authentic and free.

    I guess I've learned what psychological comfort really means. I would rather call it comfort of soul.
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    Our behavior together has become completely instinctive. It's almost as we weren't thinking, we just do what we feel like doing. She said today that she can feel my energy and it's a pretty good sensation and it's intense but somewhat comfortable. I said I don't pay attention to this but I remember when I looked at her the first time we met casually, and I felt some weird energy about her and from my eyes she seemed to be somehow shining/emanating energy, it's intriguing. I kept that experience to myself for a long time before telling her.
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    Our fights have basically ended. I've learned to rely more on my ego functions and let her deal with the rest. She's a lot more accepting of my speculations, assumptions, randomness and detachment.
    I've also been able to predict some of her actions. We still have some small misunderstand that last a few seconds to minutes. So far. Maybe in the future we might have some argument like in the beginning, but I'm really thinking it's getting unlikely. We don't really need fights to enjoy each other. We take 50 min everyday to watch anime together, and we both enjoy it and discuss our different perspectives and tastes. We still talk a lot and frequently, and it's deep meaningful. I told her I could live alone with her in space and it would be fine, and it would, no doubt.
    I'm enthralled by what's coming next...
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    She is like coming home and having a surprise party after walking around the city looking for a lost ID card in the middle of the street somewhere only God knows.
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    The fastest way to attract a dual (imho) is through 2nd - 3rd functions. The base is something that may not be consciously attractive, only in retrospect. Most duals have no idea they suck at their inferior function. My dual didn't know what intuition was basically. I didn't know I was so aloof to details, historical facts, and stored memories/sensations and bodily sensations.

    Also the base-suggestive dynamic is a very clear source of friction, especially in the beginning. But as I said, only in retrospect your dual will appreciate and miss it. The reason activators are easy to get to know is exactly due to the more accepting nature of the "internal functions". The connection feels instantaneous.
    Anyway, just being spontaneous helps filter your functions and that puts your ego functions on the spot, which the dual will naturally appreciate. But I've learned to balance my ego functions so as to better direct their responses depending on the situation.
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    The magnetic duality effect gets enhanced by distance, just like any other relationship.
    I had my first day not talking so much (2 hours total, during the morning only and a little at night). We tried focusing on ourselves apart.

    The result was disastrous.
    The next day, we spent the entire day talking again, and we ended up only at 3h30 the next day. She was aware she had to wake up at 6.

    So we agreed to never spend so much time apart like we did.

    I would never have believed this kind of thing is possible (especially after 1 year since we started seeing each other, and 6 months of daily contact)

    I think this is not some ordinary duality. There's something more to it. Maybe multiple dualities in multiple personality systems?
    Sometimes it feels that we feed each other by just communicating. This is insane. Talking to her can be more revitalizing than sleeping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrainlessSquid View Post
    I think this is not some ordinary duality. There's something more to it.
    Yes, mental illness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qaz00 View Post
    Yes, mental illness.
    Can you guess which one that might be? In this case, both of us would be mentally ill right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrainlessSquid View Post
    Can you guess which one that might be? In this case, both of us would be mentally ill right?
    I mean, from your posts, it's clear to me you're obsessed with her to the point where it can be considered pathological. I don't have enough info to confidently match your state to any condition, but to me, you sound hypomanic. That's what I meant by responding to your "more than duality". It's also possible that I'm misreading your Fe exaggerations

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    Quote Originally Posted by qaz00 View Post
    I mean, from your posts, it's clear to me you're obsessed with her to the point where it can be considered pathological. I don't have enough info to confidently match your state to any condition, but to me, you sound hypomanic. That's what I meant by responding to your "more than duality". It's also possible that I'm misreading your Fe exaggerations
    Hmmmm I'm not obsessed with her. I can spend time away from her if I need. It's just that when we're talking, we end up caught to each other. It doesn't happen with other people in relation to me. And it's not only me, we are both having the same experience. And I've confirmed through experiements that I'm an Ne base and she is Si base. It actually related to what Jung talks about codependency. Opposites can have codependency and that's one reason why I try to have moments away from her.
    Also don't forget I'm intuitive and I am very vague, so you're probably creating your own personal exaggerated interpretation, except the things I said which are unnatural, and I understand.
    If you think I'm a Fe valuer, then I'm an ILE.. because the Ne-Si dance is pretty clear to me.
    Also you come off as a nice person to me, so I guess you're probably somehow "familiar" to me. Maybe a semi-dual..idk
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    What instinct are you guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weenusflytrap View Post
    What instinct are you guys?
    We're both So first.
    I think she is So-Sp, I think am So-Sx (I'm not a fan of instincts though).
    But she is an introvert, so she actually avoids talking to strangers, and other things I've written in previous posts.
    I'm the extrovert one.
    She has very few very close friends. I know a lot of people, but I'm very shallow compared to her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrainlessSquid View Post
    Hmmmm I'm not obsessed with her. I can spend time away from her if I need. It's just that when we're talking, we end up caught to each other. It doesn't happen with other people in relation to me. And it's not only me, we are both having the same experience. And I've confirmed through experiements that I'm an Ne base and she is Si base. It actually related to what Jung talks about codependency. Opposites can have codependency and that's one reason why I try to have moments away from her.
    Also don't forget I'm intuitive and I am very vague, so you're probably creating your own personal exaggerated interpretation, except the things I said which are unnatural, and I understand.
    If you think I'm a Fe valuer, then I'm an ILE.. because the Ne-Si dance is pretty clear to me.
    Also you come off as a nice person to me, so I guess you're probably somehow "familiar" to me. Maybe a semi-dual..idk
    Can you elaborate on the bolded? where can i find what he says?

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    Quote Originally Posted by qaz00 View Post
    Yes, mental illness.
    Fully compatible duality is 100% like that. the world literally feels as if it shrinks and becomes just me&you. it's a very enclosed & self-sustaining system and everything else is superfluous. Too bad the outside world exists.

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    I better start looking for incompatibilities now.
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    As promised, some incompatibilities.
    Remember that these incompatibilities may actually be compatibilities depending on how you look at it. But well, I have to say something (even if subjectively perceived).

    1. I'm scattered. I get distracted by random things and may leave her waiting. But leaving her waiting me has only happened twice, and she called my attention on that. I hope that doesn't happen again.
    2. I give the vibe of being detached and reckless. She has felt a littel insecure about how much I care about her in the past. I've learned to be less egoistical and put her needs first, and show that I care.
    3. Sometimes she gets critical over minor details, especially when she is in a bad mood. She gets caught up in minor things that I do or say and ends up ignoring the big picture. I tell her to see the big picture.
    4. She doesn't like my fearlessness. She is all about balance and equilibrium whereas I'm constantly looking for new adventures, experiences and lessons.
    5. She gets annoyed sometimes with my innatention and absent-mindedness. Sometimes she has to repeat what she said because I ignore what she says.
    6. When we're watching movies/series/animes together, I almost never pay attention to the details of the story and keep thinking random things to myself. She gets annoyed because she wants me to understand what's going on in the movie.
    7. She doesn't like when I make guesses and assumptions that are too far reaching and lack data. She needs data and explanations. She sometimes thinks I'm making up information or getting info from nowhere just because I can't backup properly.
    8. She has a really hard time talking about her feelings and telling how she feels. I don't understand what's the difficulty in saying what you feel. Just do it. But I have to dig deeper and insist a lot before she opens up about anything that is going inside.


    Note: every misunderstandings that we've had were solved with open communication, and we're both growing with each other. I guess my only concern is that she sometimes closes off, and I have to use a lot of intuition to create ways to find breaches in her so I can investigate her.

    Note2: after every misunderstanding that is resolved, we feel closer than before. Every day I'm more attracted to her emotionally and mentally.

    Note3: our relationship feels as fresh as in the beginning. And I'm pretty sure it will keep that way.

    Note4: some of these incompatibilities may actually not be type related

    Note5: we're basically inseparable. So statistically speaking, there are greater chances of friction, especially in the Ne-Si axis. But these incompatibilities represent 10% of the relationship at most. The rest is just light, peaceful, exciting, awesome, etc (what is expected of duality)
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    What's interesting about (semi)duality is that since one's role function is the dual's ignoring, the more of a people pleaser you are, the more annoying you becoming to your duals.

    Also I noticed that resolved conflicts is what creates attraction between duals. The easiness is rarely a source of admiration, unless you spend a lot of time and then lose it, which creates tension.

    Tension and polarization is what creates excitement and attraction between people. Being your authentic self (especially focusing on both ego functions simultaneously, something you learn by interacting with duals) creates natural tension, since it's the opposite what your dual would naturally think/act, even though complementary.

    The more you take life seriously, and accept that some (if not most) people may not like you for you being you and going for what you want, the more you'll attract duals..
    Maybe that's a nature's mechanism for one's life preservation, since duality is ideal for the hardships of life
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrainlessSquid View Post
    What's interesting about (semi)duality is that since one's role function is the dual's ignoring, the more of a people pleaser you are, the more annoying you becoming to your duals.
    Ikr… I find my dual’s use of Fe SUCH a turn-off, but they seem hellbent on using it - to fit into society I suppose. I guess that’s what also draws me more towards SLI than LSE initially. But then after a while, after spending enough time with Fe-polrs, I can appreciate the LSE’s stronger Fe (even though it’s still quite unpleasant ) Fe-polrs’ emotional restraint makes me miss XSEs outward emotionality, especially when it’s in response to something I tell them and wish for them to react to.

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    She complained today that I was being too vague and abstract for too long of a period of time.
    I know she is pretty concrete and likes data and facts, but I didn't expect her to be annoyed cause I was just being authentic as always.

    Maybe I was a little too electric today, I don't really know.

    But at some point I was talking very fast and non stop, and she got a lil dizzy, and slow. Her thought process became a little slow and she said she couldn't think properly.
    I apologized for letting myself succumb and be engulfed by my abstractions, but I actually think that I may have hit her in the

    precious POLR!!

    Damn it!!

    I know we're not conflictors for sure, but I had never thought of hitting a dual in the PoLR if that makes sense..
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrainlessSquid View Post
    She complained today that I was being too vague and abstract for too long of a period of time.
    I know she is pretty concrete and likes data and facts, but I didn't expect her to be annoyed cause I was just being authentic as always.

    Maybe I was a little too electric today, I don't really know.

    But at some point I was talking very fast and non stop, and she got a lil dizzy, and slow. Her thought process became a little slow and she said she couldn't think properly.
    I apologized for letting myself succumb and be engulfed by my abstractions, but I actually think that I may have hit her in the

    precious POLR!!

    Damn it!!

    I know we're not conflictors for sure, but I had never thought of hitting a dual in the PoLR if that makes sense..
    How is that hitting her in Fe PoLR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    How is that hitting her in Fe PoLR?
    Well, I probably was delivering too much Fe data. The thing about PoLR is that it takes longer to process data isn't it? I don't remember the conversation topic rn, but whenever I talk about my popularity, social skills, persuasion, flirting, and even some compliments, she gets very insecure. I think that fits some small Fe PoLR hit, but yesterday was just too much I think

    She also has a tendency to think I'm too good for her, which is just stupid. Over time, that insecurity has faded I guess
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    At this point, after discussing with my girl, I realized my "formula" for my life philosophy is just too complex and hard to maneuver.

    So I will from now on base my behavior on four main ideas (filtering from the perspective of my valued functions):

    1. Focus on progress (in all areas)
    2. Focus on taking action (massive as much as possible)
    3. Focus on what I want (and being congruent with my desires)
    4. Focus on objectiveness and simplicity (removing unnecessary complications)

    She's gonna help me become great!! I love you baby
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrainlessSquid View Post
    Well, I probably was delivering too much Fe data. The thing about PoLR is that it takes longer to process data isn't it? I don't remember the conversation topic rn, but whenever I talk about my popularity, social skills, persuasion, flirting, and even some compliments, she gets very insecure. I think that fits some small Fe PoLR hit, but yesterday was just too much I think

    She also has a tendency to think I'm too good for her, which is just stupid. Over time, that insecurity has faded I guess
    Ah. Makes sense.

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    My life started to make sense after I met her.
    I started being aware of my natural inclinations, and how I can most efficiently help others.
    Started being aware of my true desires in life.
    And everything in my life started to fall into place.

    I don't want to give the credit to duality though. She's an awesome human being. I've met other duals in the past, and even though they helped me grow, things never quite fell into place like now.

    We just feel like we can achieve almost anything with very little effort. Plus, we have very similar tastes in a lot of things, which is surprising since we're so different from the outside perspective.

    Her tastes are also different but in a way that she lets me see another side of the world.

    I just feel so grateful for her existence.

    She has now started telling me all the good things she felt about me in the beginning, when we didn't know much about each other.

    I still haven't told her that I knew from day one since we met that we would be together, I'll let her tell me more about her early experiences.

    We also trust each other so much, that I know she would never cheat or leave me for anyone else. I wouldn't either.

    I don't want to think that I like her functions. I like her. All of her, the good and the bad. The functions are just a confirmation of something greater. That is, the person and the experience I've always looked for since young age.
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    What was unbelievably good is getting even better.
    I'm just head over heels in love at this point..

    If I had to describe this in one sentence, I would say "increasing compatibility" or "exponential love".

    Why don't everyone experience this? Am I better than others? Certainly not. I wonder why was I chosen to experience this. I've searched for a long time, studied, met hundreds of people. Then, when I least expect, the love of my life just comes and sits on my lap..

    I'm just speechless..

    As I'm writing this, my heart is filled with intense joy.
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    Idk I get this feeling this whole thread is a troll post.

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    Lol. what an example of Fe ignoring. ^



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    Quote Originally Posted by loopyclouds View Post
    Idk I get this feeling this whole thread is a troll post.
    What is a troll post about being in love?

    See the time I'm going to sleep? I just had a fight with her after an amazing day. It seems the little misunderstandings will never end. I wonder if Gulenko about Duality requiring resolved conflict is right afterall. But I have to admit, it spices things up

    I'm sorry you feel that way my friend, I just hope you experience and get what you want out of life.

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    She's helping me see nuances in myself and my dominant function that I had not thought before.

    I'm kind of learning to better direct the possible signs/facets of my intuition, depending on her needs, that's hella interesting for me.

    For example, innovative Ne can be destructive and soothing for her like junk food (or better yet psychedelics), but it is better suited when we are not talking serious matters. It is friendly and friendship enhancing.

    Whereas progressive Ne, which is the one I tended to rely the most to call the attention of Si types, is better suited for serious, intensive and real life scenarios. It induces romance and conflict resolutions. But it is also more polarizing than the former form of expression of my intuition. That is, more people will hate it but the ones who like it will much more.

    Innovative Ne tends to be less polarizing but it can repulse non Ne valuers right aways as well.

    Hmm

    I also noticed that most Ne egos tend to focus solely on the innovative side of Ne, whereas types with strong but (supposedly) not valued Ne tend to focus on the more progression oriented side of it.

    There are other sides to Ne as well, which I may discuss later (even though it doesn't seem much interesting for now)
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    This seems like a "hype" thread rather than troll. It reminds me of communist terrorists and how they describe their party and revolution.

    You are doing that to the "daulity". Marketing in Beta style. You are most likely IEI, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idol View Post
    This seems like a "hype" thread rather than troll. It reminds me of communist terrorists and how they describe their party and revolution.

    You are doing that to the "daulity". Marketing in Beta style. You are most likely IEI, in my opinion.
    Damn it, you guys are smart!! It was all my plan for ressurecting this forum
    My focus was on gathering duality enthusiasts from all around the globe.

    Now you've ruined my plan.

    I guess I'll have to come up with another one


    Btw, where's the Ni in my posts?? For heaven's sake..

    Also..
    Read the first post in this thread.. "I don't expect anyone to comply, sympathize, agree" or anything related

    You guys are free to disagree and create conspiracies about this thread. Just don't overdo it, otherwise it will be harder for me to keep a structured and fluid sequence of posts.
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    Just don't become equally disappointed OP, if things do ever go south with this. Whatever high there is, there will an equivalent low to it.

    Overall IRL i look at examples in people who are married for a grounding in reality, and they each have 2 lives. My space and our space.

    Ride the high, abide by the low, and never crow.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Expansion View Post
    Just don't become equally disappointed OP, if things do ever go south with this. Whatever high there is, there will an equivalent low to it.

    Overall IRL i look at examples in people who are married for a grounding in reality, and they each have 2 lives. My space and our space.

    Ride the high, abide by the low, and never crow.
    You're right.. I'm still in honeymoon phase, things will probably lower over time, even for the sake of my health.
    Despite all intensity, things are still too new.

    I just feel like documenting this and expressing what I feel inside.

    But people will naturally think whatever they want.. obsessed, pathological, hypomanic, marketer, troll, whatever..

    Thing is, I just don't get how people see any Ni in my cognition and writing.. it's hopelessly ironic and sad. Even for the Brainless Squid..
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    Forum is jammed again in quoting.

    You are fine, it is a fine enough journal and a valiant and noble effort.

    Re Ni, nah you ignore it, and you poke at it in Shout for fun. Ni ignore is forgoing what actually happens thru time, to looking around what actually happens thru time. Or, where is potential.

    Ne and Ni contradict and are contraindicated in the ego, like if you were one it excludes the other. An electron is the opposite charge of a proton, and one orbits, and another draws in. Different lives. You look around events and are static in time; everyone on the introverted sensing spectrum is here, not in the future somewhere with those expectations of transformation.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BrainlessSquid View Post
    You're right.. I'm still in honeymoon phase, things will probably lower over time, even for the sake of my health.
    Despite all intensity, things are still too new.

    I just feel like documenting this and expressing what I feel inside.

    But people will naturally think whatever they want.. obsessed, pathological, hypomanic, marketer, troll, whatever..

    Thing is, I just don't get how people see any Ni in my cognition and writing.. it's hopelessly ironic and sad. Even for the Brainless Squid..
    That would be because most people aren’t overly good typists and they rely on stereotypes and type images or VI.. They don’t look at the essential underlying processes.. Even Qaz literally tried type me SEE with one reason being that I am “viscerally reactive”.. Duh, I have complex ptsd and have faced immense bullying and child abuse… I mean, this is similarity to how people type.. I get typed eie all the time because I write a lot and have negative emotions.. but these are only surface level qualities.. they say little about cognition alone.
    I am in my head; not society.

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