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    Default The16types Consensus: Famous People Types List

    I decided to make this list because the other ones I found are outdated, incomplete, their authors used bad or unknown methodology and are generally a bad representation of typings on the forum.

    The list consists of people who are typed with >50% convergence, I also took into account how the other typings are distributed (for example when a person is typed 50% one type and the rest of votes are spread equally on other types it's a more certain typing than for a person who has 60% votes on one type and 40% on other type).
    I checked all Famous People threads to find these with at least 3 typings on one type and the required convergence, then I searched for typings in other parts of forum to confirm the typing (only used Google search to save time, maybe one day I'll recheck it with forum search to improve accuracy). I also checked the already existing lists. I slightly reduced requirements for people who have a rare type for their gender with less examples on the list.

    I tried to estimate the value of each vote, how much it should influence the score, some things I considered are:
    - typings by users who explain how they came to a conclusion are more valuable than these who just write a type
    - typings based on information about person are better than VI-only ones
    - votes in polls are usually less thought-out than typings in discussions
    - typings from users who go against consensus very often or show other signs that they're bad at socionics are less important, in most extreme cases even ignored

    I excluded people who are difficult to type properly because of insufficient information about them, mostly random youtubers and historical figures (I have a requirement that a photo of the person must be available).

    Less certain examples on the list are marked by numbers:
    (1) - <5 typings
    (2) - people who barely made it to the list


    Alpha

    ILE
    David Deutsch
    Weird Al Yankovic
    Jon Stewart
    Andy Samberg
    Douglas Adams
    John Maynard Keynes
    Albert Einstein
    Bill Maher
    John Kenneth Galbraith (1)
    A. J. Jacobs (1)
    Paul Bettany (1)
    Julius Sumner Miller (1)
    Hans Zimmer (1)
    Boris Johnson (2)
    Nikola Tesla (2)
    Bertrand Russell (2)
    Edward Norton (2)
    Nicolas Cage (2)
    John Cleese (2)

    Tina Fey
    Keri Russell (1)
    Ellen Page (2)
    Jessie J (2)


    SEI
    Luciano Pavarotti
    Josh Groban
    Bob Ross
    Mitch Hedberg
    John Candy
    Usher (1)
    Daddy Yankee (1)
    J. Cole (1)
    Harmony Korine (1)
    Beck Hansen (2)
    Adam Sandler (2)

    Hilary Duff
    Ashlynn Brooke
    Faye Wong
    Alizee
    Björk
    Alyson Hannigan
    Scout Niblett (1)
    Lenka Kripac (1)
    Dakota Johnson (1)
    Sofia Coppola (1)


    ESE
    Mel Brooks
    George Benson
    Seth Rogen
    Ron White
    Brian Blessed
    Bill Cosby
    Michael Palin
    Robin Williams
    Jackie Chan
    Stan Lee
    Sam Johnson (Congressman) (1)
    Nathan Fillion (1)
    Mandy Patinkin (1)
    Tom Cruise (2)

    Betty White
    Amy Sedaris
    Mariah Carey
    Hayden Panettiere
    Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall (1)
    Heidi Klum (2)
    Rachael Ray (2)
    Amanda Bynes (2)
    Salma Hayek (2)
    Christina Hendricks (2)


    LII
    J. Robert Oppenheimer
    Steve Albini
    Noam Chomsky
    Paul Dirac
    Andrew Wiles (1)
    Sven-Göran Eriksson (1)
    Andrew Bird (1)
    Vincent Gallo (1)
    Robert Fripp (1)
    Ted Kaczynski (2)
    David Byrne (2)
    Larry King (2)
    Al Gore (2)

    Ann Ward (1)
    Natalia Poklonskaya (1)
    Anastasia Soare (1)
    Emmy Noether (1)
    Angela Merkel (2)


    Beta

    SLE
    Joran van der Sloot
    Vincent "the Chin" Gigante
    Johnny Cash
    Henry Rollins
    Winston Churchill
    Vladimir Lenin
    Joe Rogan
    Benito Mussolini
    Donald Trump
    Ernest Hemingway
    Marlon Brando
    Bronco Mendenhall (1)
    Joshua Jackson (1)
    Bruce Dickinson (1)
    Newt Gingrich (2)
    Pablo Picasso (2)
    Ryan Reynolds (2)
    Fred Durst (2)

    Sandra Bernhard
    Megan Fox
    Courtney Love
    Roseanne Barr
    Madonna
    Pink
    Inna Shevchenko (1)
    Otep Shamaya (1)
    Sharon Stone (2)
    Chelsea Handler (2)
    Rachel Weisz (2)


    IEI
    Osama bin Laden
    Charles Baudelaire
    Edgar Allan Poe
    Jeff Buckley
    Thom Yorke
    Albert Camus
    Lil Wayne
    Ian Curtis
    Alex Turner
    Kurt Cobain
    Cillian Murphy
    Ben Folds (1)
    Bernard Williams (1)
    Jaden Smith (1)
    Conor Oberst (1)
    Enrique Iglesias (2)
    Jared Leto (2)
    Herman Hesse (2)
    Tupac Shakur (2Pac) (2)
    David Lynch (2)
    Nas (2)

    Anaïs Nin
    Tori Amos
    Utada Hikaru (1)
    Fuyuko Matsui (1)
    Yalda Hakim (1)
    Vera Farmiga (1)
    Evangeline Lilly (1)
    Janelle Monáe (1)
    Zoe Saldana (1)
    Fiona Apple (2)


    EIE
    Fidel Castro
    John Waters
    Ra Uru Hu
    Klaus Kinski
    David Bowie
    Mika
    Freddie Mercury
    Adolf ******
    Salvador Dalí
    John F. Kennedy
    Bono
    Auguste Comte (1)
    Billy Graham (1)
    Rainer Werner Fassbinder (1)
    Emmanuel Macron (2)
    Steve Jobs (2)
    Oscar Wilde (2)
    Morrissey (2)
    Michael Douglas (2)

    Lucille Ball
    Diamanda Galás
    Charlize Theron
    Shirley Manson
    Jane Fonda
    Toni Morrison (1)
    Mylène Farmer (1)
    Tyra Banks (2)
    Oprah Winfrey (2)


    LSI
    Daniel Day-Lewis
    Vladimir Putin
    Bear Grylls
    Mads Mikkelsen
    Sting
    Joseph Stalin
    Mike Pence
    James Dean
    Takeshi Kitano (Beat Takeshi)
    James Hetfield
    Michael Savage (1)
    Nicholas Hoult (1)
    Carl Schmitt (1)
    Gary Sinise (1)
    Kevin McKidd (1)
    Clint Eastwood (2)
    Ed Harris (2)
    Christopher Langan (2)
    Lemmy Kilmister (2)

    Linda Fiorentino
    Lucy Liu
    Emily Blunt
    Lisa Eldridge (1)
    Catherine Zeta-Jones (2)
    Victoria Beckham (2)
    Hillary Clinton (2)


    Gamma

    SEE
    David Lee Roth
    Elvis Presley
    Robbie Williams
    Charles Bukowski
    Kevin Hart
    Rob Dyrdek (1)
    Diego Maradona (2)
    George Clooney (2)
    Kanye West (2)
    Phil Anselmo (2)

    Amy Schumer
    Cardi B
    Jennifer Lawrence
    Elizabeth Taylor
    Selena Quintanilla-Perez (1)
    Trisha Paytas (1)
    Hannah Arendt (1)
    Lindsay Lohan (2)
    Anna Nicole Smith (2)
    Miley Cyrus (2)
    Paris Hilton (2)


    ILI
    Ben Stein
    Trent Reznor
    Franz Kafka
    David Cronenberg
    Stanley Kubrick
    Gordon Brown
    Alan Moore
    Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw (1)
    Stanisław Lem (1)
    David Mitchell (1)
    Tobey Maguire (2)
    Niels Bohr (2)

    Elly Jackson (La Roux)
    Jada Pinkett-Smith
    Carrie-Anne Moss


    LIE
    Sacha Baron Cohen
    Jay-Z
    Bill Gates
    Denzel Washington
    Bob Baldwin (1)
    Michael Bloomberg (1)
    Gang Dong-won (1)
    Robert McNamara (1)
    Cody Wilson (1)
    Rahm Emanuel (1)
    Yaron Brook (1)
    Dustin Diamond (1)
    Devin Townsend (1)
    Garry Kasparov (2)
    Idris Elba (2)
    Elon Musk (2)

    Joanne Woodward
    Martha Plimpton (1)
    Lena Headey (1)
    Kelly Clarkson (2)


    ESI
    Paul Newman
    Wayne Goss
    Stromae
    Johnny Marr (1)

    Michelle Malkin (1)
    Angel Olsen (1)
    Laetitia Casta (1)
    Sarah Blasko (1)
    Leslie Feist (2)
    Céline Dion (2)
    Meg Ryan (2)
    Rihanna (2)
    Florence Welch (2)
    Brigitte Bardot (2)


    Delta

    IEE
    Mark Twain
    Gotye
    Billy Connolly
    Eric Andre
    J. D. Salinger
    Jimmy Wales
    Michael J. Fox
    Mark Ruffalo (1)
    Keir Gilchrist (1)
    Pete Loeffler (1)
    Austin Winkler (1)
    Richard Ayoade (1)
    Dave Grohl (2)
    Jason Mraz (2)
    Elijah Wood (2)

    Maeve Binchy
    Lena Dunham
    Drew Barrymore
    Carrie Fisher
    Ellen DeGeneres
    Cher
    Anne Frank
    Parker Posey (1)
    Gal Gadot (1)
    Ricki Lake (1)
    Jennifer Garner (2)
    Claire Danes (2)
    Vanessa Carlton (2)
    Alanis Morissette (2)


    SLI
    Chris Leak
    Timbaland
    Colin Firth
    Harrison Ford
    Ulysses S. Grant
    Wayne Gretzky
    Kimi Räikkönen
    John Slattery (1)
    Marc Maron (1)
    Richard Dean Anderson (1)
    Steve McQueen (1)
    Heath Ledger (2)
    Chuck Norris (2)

    Frances Farmer
    Jan Garavaglia (Dr. G)
    Beatrix Potter
    Grace Kelly
    Jennifer Connelly (2)


    LSE
    John Madden
    Mitt Romney
    Jair Bolsonaro
    O. J. Simpson
    David S. Linthicum (1)
    Armin Meiwes (1)
    William F. Buckley Jr. (1)
    Mike Rowe (2)
    Bruce Willis (2)
    Matt Damon (2)
    Arnold Schwarzenegger (2)
    Thomas Edison (2)
    Liev Schreiber (2)
    Rick Perry (2)

    Jane Seymour
    Cindy Crawford (1)
    Jeri Ryan (1)
    Natascha McElhone (1)
    Suze Orman (2)
    Susan Sarandon (2)
    Martha Stewart (2)


    EII
    Fred Rogers (Mr. Rogers)
    Jeremy Irons
    Alain de Botton
    David Duchovny
    Andy Goldsworthy (1)
    Antoni Kępiński (1)
    Howard Zinn (1)
    Eckhart Tolle (2)
    Hayao Miyazaki (2)
    Adrien Brody (2)
    Robert Pattinson (2)

    Sophie Marceau
    Virginia Woolf
    Rebecca Hall
    Mia Wasikowska
    Lee Young-ae (1)
    Johanna Kurkela (1)
    Margaret Atwood (1)
    Sissy Spacek (1)
    Cate Blanchett (2)

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    This list is interesting to be. But it's baseless to think it as serious.
    I made alike theme on socioforum. Many opinions there were under influence of authors who wrote books, besides Russians generally have better choice of sources to study about types, so for Russian forums this works some better. English forums have high influence of more doubtful sources, including MBTI lists based on worse theory.

    Also in the beginning I looked at lists from popular authors. And checked where they match. The accuracy of all authors seems to be below 50%. It's anyway was better than nothing for a novice.

    Quote Originally Posted by qaz00 View Post
    The list consists of people who are typed with >50% convergence
    Typed by very majority of incompetent noobs, with much of doubtful heretic theories, very speculative methods, often doubtful and limited data as public info about famouses.

    Also with high level of conformism wich strongly reduces the meaning of the match level, what is expected from noobs without large _own_ typing experience (when types initially were identified purely themselves without external opinions, and with high assurance). The lack of info predisposes too. People are lesser assured to trust themselves and such easier agree with others. Plus emotions and personal contacts. This conformism is expressed to external sources where those opinions could be seen and between people on this forum.

    > typings by users who explain how they came to a conclusion are more valuable than these who just write a type

    Not when those conclusions have low quality of the analyse and of the data used for it. Mainly those are useless very speculative reasonings. Not when among main methods were which do not suppose explanations being intuitive as VI and hence not much to say and without intuitive data logical arguments may be not enough to convince. Not when logical analysis (in case you value it much for typing) could be used among methods but it's hard and boring to write details enough to convince on a forum for random people.

    Your approach ignores important details of objectivity. It's closer to F, and speculative Ti minds than Te types, one of which you suppose at yourself at now moment.

    > typings based on information about person are better than VI-only ones

    Only when: the other data is quality (generally it's not about famouses, except some behavior you may see yourself), a typer has good skills to use other info interpretation (it's not for 99% of forum members as those have small typing experience and heretical bs in heads), a typer also used behavior VI with skills which are not significantly worse (it's not for 99%).

    Also to use more info does not mean to rise the accuracy significantly. You may use a single method as VI with high enough accuracy. With a training you understand better when you can be assured, while nonverbal itself often has enough and correct data to identify types.

    In sum
    The naive approach not valid for good accuracy by _objective_ reasons.
    Mainly, it's a collection of _conformistic_ incompetent opinions, often based on low quality data.

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    It's possibly to use a match to some arise an accuracy.
    You need to use only opinions of experienced typers, at least. Not of random people on forums, definetely. You may limit those typers by any methods preferences you'd want.
    But even with experienced ones you'll get big problem of a conformism. So you'd need to make a list of not those who were publicly typed already - on forums or exist in lists. Famouses are doubtful to be used for this.

    If you need good examples of types, - any typer would recommend to look in his list. I recommend my list of bloggers.
    If you'll make a videointerview and will get my assured opinion about your type's traits, then you'll can check the degree your IR related impressions fit to IR theory with my examples. Such you'd got a chance to notice are my examples correct enough. It's not IRL close communications with examples and not only types influence so this may distort your impressions. I have no 100% accuracy, but to notice expected IR effects it should be enough.
    Last edited by Sol; 06-22-2020 at 08:32 AM.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    This is excellent work.

    I probably disagree with about half the typings I have an opinion on, and would generally feel doubtful about the ones I agree with.

    Unfortunately, the process will take into account typings over an extended period of time (the forum's history), and its typings are probably mostly not independent from each other (people are liable to be influenced by what has already been said). @thehotelambush's Sedecology website is a promising project.

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    Sedecology also allows you to compare typings, and to create benchmark lists (I'm going to add more flexible settings for this soon).

    This list, and generally lists based on opinions of random people, are not that great to be honest - garbage in, garbage out.

    Here are the ones I agree with:

    Weird Al Yankovic
    Douglas Adams
    Bertrand Russell (maybe)
    Mitch Hedberg (maybe LII)
    Alizee
    Björk
    Stan Lee
    Paul Dirac
    Andrew Wiles
    Donald Trump
    Edgar Allan Poe
    David Lynch
    David Bowie
    Freddie Mercury
    Adolf ******
    Bono
    Steve Jobs
    Christopher Langan
    Elvis Presley
    Jennifer Lawrence
    Trisha Paytas
    Paris Hilton
    Ben Stein
    Stanley Kubrick
    Bill Gates
    Garry Kasparov
    Ellen DeGeneres
    Harrison Ford
    Arnold Schwarzenegger

    And the ones that seem wrong:

    Jon Stewart - probably not ILE
    Harmony Korine - IEI or maybe ILI, definitely not SEI
    Tom Cruise - I favor EIE but maybe ESE isn't crazy
    Amanda Bynes - more likely SEE
    Oppenheimer - IEI
    Ted Kaczynski - LSI (universal consensus on Sedecology btw)
    Joe Rogan - maybe SEE
    Chelsea Handler - I think LIE, or if not then SEE
    Jaden Smith - maybe EIE, definitely Beta NF in any case
    Tupac Shakur - EIE
    Toni Morrison - ESI
    Charles Bukowski - more likely EIE
    Kanye West - EIE
    Carrie-Anne Moss - I'm unsure but maybe ESI or IEI - ILI wasn't one of the types I had in mind
    Brigitte Bardot - EIE
    Mark Ruffalo - EII maybe
    Carrie Fisher - SEE or maybe EIE, not IEE
    Jennifer Connelly - maybe EII, SLI is reasonable though
    Jair Bolsonaro - no way, probably SLE
    Robert Pattinson - seemed more like an Fe ego type

    So, slightly more than half. That's not that great, but maybe better than I expected.

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    The entries in the Famous People Types List are all inaccurate. Use it at your own risk.
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