ILE and analysis vs IEE and people

[Danali]

This is essentially a way for me to distinguish between the two types as I have come to a point where I can't decide between the two.

So, I've gone through a long history of trying to figure out my type and I have narrowed it down to Dominant. But, I just can't seem to figure out if I use or in the creative position.

The reasons I'm considering ILE is because of that fact that I do create internal logical systems and think about things which I need to share with others, whether its a new perspective on something I've found or something I've thought about. For me the primary importance is understanding why things are the way they are. For example, someone may do something "weird" as deemed by the public, however, my main concern is why they done it? what could have led up to it ? did someone else trigger it ?. As i've come to understand is the function concerned about public opinion, it focuses on what everyone else thinks without thinking for themselves. I always weigh up my own opinion with public opinion, I will formulate my own understanding then search what others think about the matter and from a very objective stance try and figure out what the difference, why they don't align and which is better (mine usually is). When I understand something I need to explain it, criticise it, compare it and improve it, its definitely an ongoing processes, it needs to be debate-proof and withstand any outside criticism. I love to debate, especially those ones where everyone has a different opinion and this ties into why I listen to everything and anything because it just adds to my explanations and views.

As for IEE, i'm very nice upon meeting, i understand social rules, and i get what i have to do. (ILE apparently have a really bad reputation for being unaware and rude in social situations) I'm also very easy to get along with, at least to my knowledge I think people feel comfortable around me, I give everyone a listening ear and can get on their level so too speak. But I've also noticed people tend to confide in me about personal issues. I also "get" people very well from a distance, I usually call people "theories" because essentially everyone has their own view, the public perception and, my perception so when I stand back and analyse someone, I just get why they act a certain way, this links into the fact I'm good at reading people e.g. upon meeting some people I can just get vibes and feelings about who's trustworthy, who isnt, who likes to gossip ... and so on, When i analyse people I'm watching and listening to everything, I can piece together what kind of person they are. I also tend to make personal judgements about things I like and dislike, my feelings towards people also tend to change, one minute I can look forward to seeing someone, then when I really think I about it I can change my mind.

tbh I just don't know anymore so feel free to ask any follow-up questions, I'm very interested in what everyone has to say about me.

I will be adding more information when I remember.

[Bertrand]

this is one of those persistent "truths" in typology, that there are age brackets where functions such as mobilizing and suggestive neatly slot into, and there is this understanding that they undergo "development" as if psychic maturity is just something that happens to a person as a matter of time.. I don't know what evidence there is of this beyond wishful thinking. suggestive and mobilizing in the jungian model are shadow functions that get integrated not as a matter of course but only through hard fought effort beyond the norm. I have a feeling that if we could see the relative development of all the functions we would see most people vastly overestimate themselves across the board. if psychic development were anything but difficult and rare I imagine we'd be much further along as a society than we are.. all the evidence points to it being the exact opposite of a matter of course, with the default position being stultification.. society continues to make basic errors in understanding within itself and across its borders. this idea that around 40 we have these integrated individuals running around seems like a total pipe dream, baked into a little grid that gives it a puff of apparent legitimacy because, look, there's some symmetry, as if the simple aesthetic appeal makes it true.. seems like just another IEI'ism that maybe one day could be true, and looks great, but is not the reality on the ground

[Vespertine]

That's MBTI but anyways, it says that we start with out our lead function and that from childhood to late teen we would develop creative. After that, the rest may get developed or not, I think around 30 then 50 (like quarter and mid life crisis being resolved by more depth of the self) normaly.
Some people never develop more than ego functions, others can develop all four valued as a child, which is likely a sign the child has lived a lot of hardship.

The other thing is that, with well developped valued functions, typing becomes more difficult as the person steps out of the stereotypical of their ego functions. They become better rounded to answer to what happens in a smoother manner, to go better with the flow, and know better how to appreciate different visions of life.
They still have preferences, yet they are fine and comfortable with other possibilities.
A question that might help you: when you are all alone, where does your preference go?
Wish you success in finding yourself.

[The Reality Denialist]

I usually think that people can give some leeway when it comes to PoLR (there are lots of orientations when it comes to it and people can be total pricks when it comes to it, folllow norms, ignore it or try to play along when needed).

The next problem arises from supervision relations (maybe in DCNH terms) which seems to be ultimate challenge no matter what.

[Guillaine]

one of the ways I tell them apart, though it's not always super clear, is that ILE has a comeback ready, a quip easy at hand, IEE does not, becomes more emotional. (referring to ne subtype of both)

[Rebelondeck]

Both types can be equally charming, detached, thoughtful and or attention seekers; and both seem to listen but not really hear because they often consider that their own opinions are the more important. ILEs seem more concerned with what people and things do and how useful they are, while for IEEs, it's more about how people and things behave and interact. They can be interested in exactly the same things or people but ILEs tend to take more interest in concrete and practical gains of any activity whereas IEEs tend to bask more in the dynamics and excitement of whatever. However, it can be difficult to untangle emotion from cognitive processes especially when one is young and or under stress.......
a.k.a. I/O

[Mila]

Both types can be equally charming

No, IEE>ILE. IEE seek to like/charm others, ILE don't, plus, ethics>logic.

detached, thoughtful and or attention seekers; and both seem to listen but not really hear because they often consider that their own opinions are the more important.

Yeah. But one can actually have a normal conversation with ILE (that he will forget after or just remember the part was interesing for him), but IEE can't have a normal structured chat with L (Ti PoLR) so they doesnt make sense (they doesnt notice it, either, but we do, we do ).

ILEs seem more concerned with what people and things do and how useful they are, while for IEEs, it's more about how people and things behave and interact.

No, both care about what ppl and things do, IEE cares much more on ppl potential and productivity (Te). ILE cares more about interesting things that he could do or he could use in the future, ppl gets almost lost from his sight.

They can be interested in exactly the same things or people but ILEs tend to take more interest in concrete and practical gains of any activity whereas IEEs tend to bask more in the dynamics and excitement of whatever.

agree with IEE and excitement, disagree in ILE seeking for concrete and practical gains.

To OP

One important difference, IEE seems enterily oriented towards ppl, ILE don't. IEE seeks to motivate others or make them excited about something, ILE don't. IEE can see or project potential in others, ILE don't. ILE has low social skills, and little interest in it too.

As i've come to understand is the function concerned about public opinion, it focuses on what everyone else thinks without thinking for themselves.

Since you focus too much in ppl, I think you are a cute IEE.

[falsehope]

One of the obvious signs of being ILE is bad relationship with ESI especially when being young. And there's plenty of ESI in the world so it's easy to meet them at some point in life. Also the general attitude towrds Fi and Ti.
It's impossible to guess your own type from type descriptions. This is not working like that. You need to recognize others and based on the impressions you got from them you type yourself. To type others in first place is easier than to type oneself. So then when you can recognize Fi types you can guess if these are your good friends and you have plenty of them around or it's the opposite.

[Bertrand]

can you go more into early ILE/ESI interactions are like? perhaps I could trouble you for an anecdote or two..? I find that super interesting, because I think back to my own school days and its hard for me to picture ESI/ILEs in that context. I grew up lower middle class and in my area it felt like there weren't many ILEs but a lot of ESIs, and it wasnt until I got to college that I ran into a lot of ILEs. I honestly feel bad for any ILE that went to my elementary/jrhigh/high schools, I can't even imagine how they got treated

[consentingadult]

......fact that I do create internal logical systems...

Now an average IEE would ask: "what the fuck is an 'internal logical system'????"

[ooo]

an ILE can look like an LIE, or a LII, or an ILI. an IEE can look like a EIE, like a EII or like a IEI. which is more probable?

[consentingadult]

I don't find them rude. Unaware maybe sometimes, but not as bad as some Te egos lol, and I can be unaware myself sometimes too. One ILE I know is very entertaining. I tell him all the time that he should try stand-up comedy, I think he'd be great at it. Other people tell him the same. Really helps that he'll say whatever without any kind of embarrassment. You need that kind of frank bluntness to be funny imo, too polite and unwilling to say stuff. . . and humor becomes equally stifled and limited. His comedic timing is good too, and he enjoys making people laugh. Another ILE I know was much more into debating, not as entertaining in the way of being funny, but I found his enthusiasm entertaining, lots of wild ideas all the time. . . very stereotypically Ne. None have been rude really, imo, or maybe they have been and I didn't notice, but if so it wasn't on purpose, just a kind of blunt good-natured clumsiness with people ime.

Of all Information Elements, Fe is probably the best to have for your mobilizing function.

[The Reality Denialist]

I don't know why but after all the teaching gigs I have done it seems people seem to want me more. They have been begging. If there is one kind of inspiring thing I like to do it is the "funny" math.

So when it comes to being around touchy feely it has been hit or miss... mostly miss. Well not really among alpha SFs that miss thing.

[Bertrand]

ILEs are straight up the best teachers around for STEM (in my opinion anyway). I would say for everything but they're probably not as good in the humanities as some other types

[Danali]

No, both care about what ppl and things do, IEE cares much more on ppl potential and productivity (Te). ILE cares more about interesting things that he could do or he could use in the future, ppl gets almost lost from his sight.

agree with IEE and excitement, disagree in ILE seeking for concrete and practical gains.

To OP

One important difference, IEE seems enterily oriented towards ppl, ILE don't. IEE seeks to motivate others or make them excited about something, ILE don't. IEE can see or project potential in others, ILE don't. ILE has low social skills, and little interest in it too.




Since you focus too much in ppl, I think you are a cute IEE.

Interesting ! Thanks for that breakdown. What about me makes you think i focus on people ?

I understand people well, and people are everywhere so ill always be interested in them, however, i enjoy watching and analysing people from a distance.

I can be very passionate and i enjoy telling people about what i’ve thought about and my breakdown of a structure or “situation”. I always create explanations and then emerge with them or randomly ask a question that somewhat completes the explanation. Now this makes me think can IEE even do this, let alone actively enjoy it ?

In one sense i can see how i like motivating people, i really enjoy the “getting to know people process” and finding the good in them however once I’ve figured someone out i get bored.

I really enjoy telling people how things can be even better or listing out all the possible ways someone can improve or achieve their goals. (Do ILE ever do this and do they “get” people?) However, i dont necessarily like motivating people, i dont even think that crosses my mind because I’m more focuses on explaining what I’ve found (if that makes sense)but i know what people ‘close’ to me like therefore i develop my explanations depending on what they like and i emerge with an explanation to the specific person.

One of the obvious signs of being ILE is bad relationship with ESI especially when being young. And there's plenty of ESI in the world so it's easy to meet them at some point in life. Also the general attitude towrds Fi and Ti.

Ok, could you provide an example of how that would manifest in real life, what would each type do that annoys each other or causes some sort of conflict ?

What would you say are distinctly ESI characteristics ?

ILEs are straight up the best teachers around for STEM (in my opinion anyway). I would say for everything but they're probably not as good in the humanities as some other types

That is very interesting you say that, i done psychology, sociology and economics at A-Levels (high school for you Americans) which were all humanities. I loved sociology, it was amazing, the reason i liked it was because i had to learn multiple perspectives or “logical” structures which explain the world, for example the family institution has multiple perspectives, marxists would say its ideological and used to pass property to the middle class ,functionalists would says it socialises children and sets gender roles, feminists would say it sustains patriarchy and post modernism would say family is diverse and fragmented then we had to learn criticisms of each perspectives .So when i think about each perspective i weight them up an analyse them, i see how true it is in society, i build upon it, i cut some bits out, i see if they can some how be linked and interconnected with other theories, then i put the theories in a hierarchy of most true,but the over reason i enjoyed it boils down to 2 things 1) how humans operate in such systems and 2) hearing what others think ,and debating them even though i already have a fully fledged developed chain of reason of my own.

[Bertrand]

those are social sciences not humanities

[nefnaf]

@Danali From what you describe it seems have valued structural logic. It also seems that you are an Ethical type. My guess is EIE, would need video for an actual assessment/confirmation. Note that this type has 4d . I have also frequently encountered EIE self-typing as ILE

[Exodus]

. As i've come to understand is the function concerned about public opinion, it focuses on what everyone else thinks without thinking for themselves.

Where did you get that idea from?

Everything you've written here still makes sense for the EIE typing, you just seem to be a somewhat more theoretically oriented one.

[Mila]

@Aki From what you describe it seems have valued structural logic. It also seems that you are an Ethical type. My guess is EIE, would need video for an actual assessment/confirmation. Note that this type has 4d . I have also frequently encountered EIE self-typing as ILE

I don't get why you mentioned me.

if you are typing her EIE I think you should direct your posts to her, not me.

My analysis is from what shes writing considering her two options IEE, ILE, and I dont think she's ILE. EIE is possible. I agree video or more info is needed.

[Mila]

Interesting ! Thanks for that breakdown. What about me makes you think i focus on people ?

well, its practically in all what you said.

The reasons I'm considering ILE is because of that fact that I do create internal logical systems and think about things which I need to share with others, whether its a new perspective on something I've found or something I've thought about. For me the primary importance is understanding why things are the way they are. For example, someone may do something "weird" as deemed by the public, however, my main concern is why they done it? what could have led up to it ? did someone else trigger it ?. As i've come to understand is the function concerned about public opinion, it focuses on what everyone else thinks without thinking for themselves. I always weigh up my own opinion with public opinion, I will formulate my own understanding then search what others think about the matter and from a very objective stance try and figure out what the difference, why they don't align and which is better (mine usually is). When I understand something I need to explain it, criticise it, compare it and improve it, its definitely an ongoing processes, it needs to be debate-proof and withstand any outside criticism. I love to debate, especially those ones where everyone has a different opinion and this ties into why I listen to everything and anything because it just adds to my explanations and views.

i'm very nice upon meeting, i understand social rules, and i get what i have to do. (ILE apparently have a really bad reputation for being unaware and rude in social situations) I'm also very easy to get along with, at least to my knowledge I think people feel comfortable around me, I give everyone a listening ear and can get on their level so too speak. But I've also noticed people tend to confide in me about personal issues. I also "get" people very well from a distance, I usually call people "theories" because essentially everyone has their own view, the public perception and, my perception so when I stand back and analyse someone, I just get why they act a certain way, this links into the fact I'm good at reading people e.g. upon meeting some people I can just get vibes and feelings about who's trustworthy, who isnt, who likes to gossip ... and so on, When i analyse people I'm watching and listening to everything, I can piece together what kind of person they are. I also tend to make personal judgements about things I like and dislike, my feelings towards people also tend to change, one minute I can look forward to seeing someone, then when I really think I about it I can change my mind.

[The Reality Denialist]

I'm good at reading people e.g. upon meeting some people I can just get vibes and feelings about who's trustworthy, who isnt, who likes to gossip ... and so on, When i analyse people I'm watching and listening to everything, I can piece together what kind of person they are. I also tend to make personal judgements about things I like and dislike, my feelings towards people also tend to change, one minute I can look forward to seeing someone, then when I really think I about it I can change my mind.

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[Bertrand]

love the meme

[Danali]

1) So what would you say about the other parts I mentioned?
2) aren't vibes an intuitive thing ? I say so because they're not based on any factual data, they're based on impressions.

[The Reality Denialist]

Welcome to the world of Ti

[Danali]

@Danali From what you describe it seems have valued structural logic. It also seems that you are an Ethical type. My guess is EIE, would need video for an actual assessment/confirmation. Note that this type has 4d . I have also frequently encountered EIE self-typing as ILE

Everything you've written here still makes sense for the EIE typing, you just seem to be a somewhat more theoretically oriented one.

I’m getting mixed signals from the EIE Gulenko description.

He or she overflows with negative emotions, which can lead to emotional and mental breakdowns. - I don’t think I’ve ever had a breakdown.
Dramatic emotions quickly turn into comic ones or interweave together, however, in the company of strangers and unfamiliar people he can behave calmly and hold himself with dignity. – Dramatic is such a strong word, I would say expressive, but somewhat true.
Expressive in gestures, gaze, intonation, and other emotional expressions. – Yep.
Often aggravates the situation and welcomes the emotional tension that comes with this. – When the emotional tension is real, that makes me feel uncomfortable, but I can say and do exaggerated things for fun when in close company.
Often wavers and experiences doubt and hesitation, which makes it difficult for him to make important decisions. However, once the decision has been made, he will not hesitate any longer and will not look back. – I’m very indecisive about small things but decisive about important things, however, I always doubt my choice, even when I’m “sure” I’m internally doubting.
Enjoys challenging himself and mastering difficult disciplines. – Very true, that is me.
By temperament impatient and restless. Sitting in one place for a long time can even lead to muscle spasms – Now this is a weird one, my natural temperament is quite calm and somewhat lazy so I don’t fit that, and when I’m occupied I can sit in one place for ages and occasionally get up, but if I'm waiting for something I can be somewhat impatient.
Estimates attitudes of others by how much they are willing to do for him and how tolerant they are of his strange tastes and habits – Probably one of the most important things in a friendship/relationship.
He is in need of external help to contain his uncontrollable emotions and reduce the grip that they have on him. – lol just no, my emotions aren’t that crazy.
Thus he seeks a constant verbal or other kind of reassurance. –i just need a reaction, not necessarily reassurance. I have too much pride to keep asking for reassurance.
Criticizes the manners and philosophical view points of others. – No, prefer to discuss and explore them.
He is quick to take offense and can be vindictive. – Definitely not me, I don’t have the time to be that petty, and it takes to much energy.
Gravitates towards unconventional, sometimes shocking behaviors. – I do a lot of things for the reaction of it
In communication EIE gravitates towards company where there are manifestations of positive emotions, witty jokes and anecdotes – this is a yes, I do enjoy these things.
Cannot hold back and not express his opinions and views. – lol yeah.
can have dialogues with themselves, deliver a speech in public transport. – definitely, all the time, but not in public.
Pays attention to social gossip, especially talk of "juicy" details of personal lives of others. – Who doesn’t?! I love getting info about people, however, I would never share.
Inclined to "make mountains out of molehills". Their projects are often global in nature, but start from small things. – this is interesting, I do this for fun and when everyone knows it’s a joke, but never in a serious situation.
If a person is lower in position than him, the EIE's attitude is coolly dismissive, while towards higher standing people he is respectful. – I don’t like that I think it’s childish.
The EIE is oriented at exclusively polite, appropriate, and correct interaction, without elements of coarseness, crudeness, and prodding. – this usually depends on how close I am with the person, if I’m close I can be coarse, crude and prod, if not close I’m nice and all of that, however, sometimes i test how far I can go with making certain jokes with people.
Likes to isolate him/herself and in solitude reflect on the meaning of life, and the place and role of person within it. – yeah, one of the things I like to think about when I'm by myself.
Can inspire people with their emotions and make them follow him – no.

I’m not sure about EIE, I'm leaning towards Ti-Fe valued, but I'm not sure.

Where did you get that idea from?

When reading about Te, it always mentions they like facts, data and statistics, some facts and statistics are based on what the majority say or do, therefore I concluded they like and accept public opinion as true and right.

[Exodus]

I’m getting mixed signals from the EIE Gulenko description.

He or she overflows with negative emotions, which can lead to emotional and mental breakdowns. - I don’t think I’ve ever had a breakdown.
Dramatic emotions quickly turn into comic ones or interweave together, however, in the company of strangers and unfamiliar people he can behave calmly and hold himself with dignity. – Dramatic is such a strong word, I would say expressive, but somewhat true.
Expressive in gestures, gaze, intonation, and other emotional expressions. – Yep.
Often aggravates the situation and welcomes the emotional tension that comes with this. – When the emotional tension is real, that makes me feel uncomfortable, but I can say and do exaggerated things for fun when in close company.
Often wavers and experiences doubt and hesitation, which makes it difficult for him to make important decisions. However, once the decision has been made, he will not hesitate any longer and will not look back. – I’m very indecisive about small things but decisive about important things, however, I always doubt my choice, even when I’m “sure” I’m internally doubting.
Enjoys challenging himself and mastering difficult disciplines. – Very true, that is me.
By temperament impatient and restless. Sitting in one place for a long time can even lead to muscle spasms – Now this is a weird one, my natural temperament is quite calm and somewhat lazy so I don’t fit that, and when I’m occupied I can sit in one place for ages and occasionally get up, but if I'm waiting for something I can be somewhat impatient.
Estimates attitudes of others by how much they are willing to do for him and how tolerant they are of his strange tastes and habits – Probably one of the most important things in a friendship/relationship.
He is in need of external help to contain his uncontrollable emotions and reduce the grip that they have on him. – lol just no, my emotions aren’t that crazy.
Thus he seeks a constant verbal or other kind of reassurance. –i just need a reaction, not necessarily reassurance. I have too much pride to keep asking for reassurance.
Criticizes the manners and philosophical view points of others. – No, prefer to discuss and explore them.
He is quick to take offense and can be vindictive. – Definitely not me, I don’t have the time to be that petty, and it takes to much energy.
Gravitates towards unconventional, sometimes shocking behaviors. – I do a lot of things for the reaction of it
In communication EIE gravitates towards company where there are manifestations of positive emotions, witty jokes and anecdotes – this is a yes, I do enjoy these things.
Cannot hold back and not express his opinions and views. – lol yeah.
can have dialogues with themselves, deliver a speech in public transport. – definitely, all the time, but not in public.
Pays attention to social gossip, especially talk of "juicy" details of personal lives of others. – Who doesn’t?! I love getting info about people, however, I would never share.
Inclined to "make mountains out of molehills". Their projects are often global in nature, but start from small things. – this is interesting, I do this for fun and when everyone knows it’s a joke, but never in a serious situation.
If a person is lower in position than him, the EIE's attitude is coolly dismissive, while towards higher standing people he is respectful. – I don’t like that I think it’s childish.
The EIE is oriented at exclusively polite, appropriate, and correct interaction, without elements of coarseness, crudeness, and prodding. – this usually depends on how close I am with the person, if I’m close I can be coarse, crude and prod, if not close I’m nice and all of that, however, sometimes i test how far I can go with making certain jokes with people.
Likes to isolate him/herself and in solitude reflect on the meaning of life, and the place and role of person within it. – yeah, one of the things I like to think about when I'm by myself.
Can inspire people with their emotions and make them follow him – no.

I’m not sure about EIE, I'm leaning towards Ti-Fe valued, but I'm not sure.

The things you put 'no' for here are relatively negligible or won't apply to all members of the type (Russian descriptions usually include lots of those things, which is why I don't recommend doing line-by-line readings).

When reading about Te, it always mentions they like facts, data and statistics, some facts and statistics are based on what the majority say or do, therefore I concluded they like and accept public opinion as true and right.

Facts, data, and statistics yes, but Te also verifies things by matching them to one's personal experience or by how well they work in practice, which can lead to questioning "received wisdom" at times.

[Myst]

I’m getting mixed signals from the EIE Gulenko description.
Expressive in gestures, gaze, intonation, and other emotional expressions. – Yep.

Consciously?

Often wavers and experiences doubt and hesitation, which makes it difficult for him to make important decisions. However, once the decision has been made, he will not hesitate any longer and will not look back. – I’m very indecisive about small things but decisive about important things, however, I always doubt my choice, even when I’m “sure” I’m internally doubting.

Ni.

[Danali]

Consciously?

Yeah its weird, I’m just naturally expressive and then I adjust my expressiveness per person when in conversation so i guess its conscious, but i don’t consciously thinking about being expressive before entering conversation, it just happens.

[Myst]

Yeah its weird, I’m just naturally expressive and then I adjust my expressiveness per person when in conversation so i guess its conscious, but i don’t consciously thinking about being expressive before entering conversation, it just happens.

Why do you adjust it?

Btw I looked at this old questionnaire of yours http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ers-and-1-Type

Seems like Fi and Ne are conscious and Fe and Ni are not. With very low Ti and Si.

I recall I considered EIE for you before but I wouldn't exclude IEE based on that questionnaire.

[falsehope]

can you go more into early ILE/ESI interactions are like? perhaps I could trouble you for an anecdote or two..? I find that super interesting, because I think back to my own school days and its hard for me to picture ESI/ILEs in that context. I grew up lower middle class and in my area it felt like there weren't many ILEs but a lot of ESIs, and it wasnt until I got to college that I ran into a lot of ILEs. I honestly feel bad for any ILE that went to my elementary/jrhigh/high schools, I can't even imagine how they got treated

Well the ESI teachers I had (I know they are ESI because I am still seeing them in the town) were violent, tactless, insensitive, illogical, and were like that towards a 7-10 year old kid who was good at school and just a bit energetic, in their opinion had bad voice tone and looked at them badly. And such trivial reasons were escalated to such huge conflict I nearly ended up in school for mentally retarded. But I did understand that it was problem with them and not me. They were already burned and very nervous and saw in me source of their bad mental health, that I am driving them crazy on every occasion. But they didnt cope with it, they were confronting me at every smallest move I made. And it was as simple as that they were having issues with things which were of the littlest concern for me, at that age I had no idea what they were talking about, I was severely physically punished for bad voice tone over 100 times, and I had no control over it at all and two teachers were trying to "teach" me that hard way until someone else took over our class.
But I had concept of nervous disease and I saw them as completely crazy so I didnt feel any guilt or embarrassment, I was just hoping that after 3 years there will be different teachers and I need to survive it somehow.

[Bertrand]

wow that sounds rough, do you think it was the voice tone or the content of the speech itself..? like what were you saying in such a tone that was so bad so as to warrant physical punishment (in their minds)?

[Myst]

@Danali

I went back and checked, stuff like this made me think EIE

""In what areas of your life would you like help?"

ORGANISATION, will power, determination, strength of voice and mind, in a weird way optimism, understanding, i need loads of help to understand one little issue"

I guess, what I can say for sure is that your two options are really EIE and IEE.

If you got some example of what kind of logical explanation/logical help works for you best, that could be helpful here.

[Adam Strange]

Well the ESI teachers I had (I know they are ESI because I am still seeing them in the town) were violent, tactless, insensitive, illogical, and were like that towards a 7-10 year old kid who was good at school and just a bit energetic, in their opinion had bad voice tone and looked at them badly. And such trivial reasons were escalated to such huge conflict I nearly ended up in school for mentally retarded. But I did understand that it was problem with them and not me. They were already burned and very nervous and saw in me source of their bad mental health, that I am driving them crazy on every occasion. But they didnt cope with it, they were confronting me at every smallest move I made. And it was as simple as that they were having issues with things which were of the littlest concern for me, at that age I had no idea what they were talking about, I was severely physically punished for bad voice tone over 100 times, and I had no control over it at all and two teachers were trying to "teach" me that hard way until someone else took over our class.
But I had concept of nervous disease and I saw them as completely crazy so I didnt feel any guilt or embarrassment, I was just hoping that after 3 years there will be different teachers and I need to survive it somehow.

I work with two ESI's and an ILE and they interact every day and honestly, I think I have more problems with the ILE than the ESI's do. At least, they haven't said a word to me about having problems with each other.
I'm kind of waiting for some conflagration, but it hasn't happened yet. Not even a hint of trouble.

[Danali]

Why do you adjust it?

In one sense not everyone is worth it, or shall i say, not everyone appreciates it. In social-media western culture expressiveness is somewhat looked down upon.

In another sense it just isn’t some peoples nature to be expressive so i’m basically accommodating to them. E.g some people are very serious so i don’t express the full extent of my expressiveness, whereas some people don’t mind hence I’m allowed to have free reign with my expressiveness. So i would say i step into peoples shoes to see how they would perceive me and i accommodate.

Or some people are “boring” but i see I’m able to be expressive with/around them and i end up having good conversation with them. So i all depends.

Btw I looked at this old questionnaire of yours http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ers-and-1-Type

Seems like Fi and Ne are conscious and Fe and Ni are not. With very low Ti and Si.

I recall I considered EIE for you before but I wouldn't exclude IEE based on that questionnaire.

I guess, what I can say for sure is that your two options are really EIE and IEE.

IEE is a type I’ve battled with forever. In was really thinking about Fi and i found out that i hate (this is ironic) (1) pushing my ethics on people (2) voicing how i feel about peoples behaviour and (3) complaining about who has offended me.
Although i have those feelings, I’m able to dismiss them and not dwell on it for a long time. As a result of this it made me question whether i could be an ego Fi type.

@Danali

I went back and checked, stuff like this made me think EIE

""In what areas of your life would you like help?"

ORGANISATION, will power, determination, strength of voice and mind, in a weird way optimism, understanding, i need loads of help to understand one little issue"

I can let things get out of hand, like my physical surroundings, then i have a sudden urge to sort it all out and put everything away. In terms of mentally, i can see multiple things that are true and i cant pick one, annoyingly i understand everything.

Easily distracted, when i’m having a conversation i go off on so many tangents as thoughts and ideas are always flowing through my mind. This links to the fact i cant stick to one thing till the end.

My mum is the best example to demonstrate my lack of will power and influence, she and walks into a room and gets what she wants, even it if causes conflict, she has this weird non physical power that can push people to do things for her.

As for me, i despise conflict, it gives me so much anxiety, when I’m in conflict i don’t know how to act i literally start shaking however i cant go down like a punk, i need to respond. As for my mum she can leave conflict laughing and jolly.

If you got some example of what kind of logical explanation/logical help works for you best, that could be helpful here.

When things are broken down so well i can almost diagrammatically see it just from the explanation. Then a real life example of the explanation. And how it applies to me. That combination is the best. For example i loved school because of the teaching and learning.
I really enjoy black angels videos on youtube.
How she systematically goes through things from beginning to end.

https://youtu.be/Ocx2T7qbxl0

[Myst]

In one sense not everyone is worth it, or shall i say, not everyone appreciates it. In social-media western culture expressiveness is somewhat looked down upon.

In another sense it just isn’t some peoples nature to be expressive so i’m basically accommodating to them. E.g some people are very serious so i don’t express the full extent of my expressiveness, whereas some people don’t mind hence I’m allowed to have free reign with my expressiveness. So i would say i step into peoples shoes to see how they would perceive me and i accommodate.

Or some people are “boring” but i see I’m able to be expressive with/around them and i end up having good conversation with them. So i all depends.

Hmm you kind of sound protective of Fe PoLR + picky like an IEE with the statement of not everyone is worth it.

Though in some previous questionnaire of yours (that I analysed for you last year when you asked about the EIE typing in priv msg) you seemed to focus on Fe too. Where you said you literally see the emotional flow... what is it like?

IEE is a type I’ve battled with forever. In was really thinking about Fi and i found out that i hate (this is ironic) (1) pushing my ethics on people (2) voicing how i feel about peoples behaviour and (3) complaining about who has offended me.
Although i have those feelings, I’m able to dismiss them and not dwell on it for a long time. As a result of this it made me question whether i could be an ego Fi type.

Yeah your questionnaire (that I linked to now) also shows more focus on Fi. Except I guess where you said you drop Fi norms of behaviour in a closer relationship.

I can let things get out of hand, like my physical surroundings, then i have a sudden urge to sort it all out and put everything away. In terms of mentally, i can see multiple things that are true and i cant pick one, annoyingly i understand everything.

Easily distracted, when i’m having a conversation i go off on so many tangents as thoughts and ideas are always flowing through my mind. This links to the fact i cant stick to one thing till the end.

Bolded is pretty stereotypical Ne lead

When things are broken down so well i can almost diagrammatically see it just from the explanation. Then a real life example of the explanation. And how it applies to me. That combination is the best. For example i loved school because of the teaching and learning.
I really enjoy black angels videos on youtube.
How she systematically goes through things from beginning to end.

https://youtu.be/Ocx2T7qbxl0

Hmm, ok, diagrams make me think of Te but idk.

[Danali]

Hmm you kind of sound protective of Fe PoLR + picky like an IEE with the statement of not everyone is worth it.

Lol, everyone gets a certain amount of expressiveness, it's just that some people get more than others because I feel comfortable with them. Some people are visibly overwhelmed by my expressiveness so I try to tone it down as much as possible but that's usually futile.

Though in some previous questionnaire of yours (that I analysed for you last year when you asked about the EIE typing in priv msg) you seemed to focus on Fe too. Where you said you literally see the emotional flow... what is it like?

Yeah, about this, it just happens, I can walk into a room and just sense the mood of everyone. I also tend to always look into the past and figure out why certain moods and expressions happened in the first place.

Yeah your questionnaire (that I linked to now) also shows more focus on Fi. Except I guess where you said you drop Fi norms of behaviour in a closer relationship.

That's a good way of putting it! In close relationships, I tend to be at my best and I can express myself with ease. This is why I've questioned being a Fi type because they have relationships which are based on social rules. When I say expressive, I mean in emotion but also in thought and behaviour.

Bolded is pretty stereotypical Ne lead

I thought the whole tangent thing is due to a lack of structure. How does Ti suggest manifest?

Hmm, ok, diagrams make me think of Te but idk.

Say for example something is explained really well, I can create a mental picture of the explanation.

[Delilah]

Lol, everyone gets a certain amount of expressiveness, it's just that some people get more than others because I feel comfortable with them. Some people are visibly overwhelmed by my expressiveness so I try to tone it down as much as possible but that's usually futile.

Yeah, about this, it just happens, I can walk into a room and just sense the mood of everyone. I also tend to always look into the past and figure out why certain moods and expressions happened in the first place.


That's a good way of putting it! In close relationships, I tend to be at my best and I can express myself with ease. This is why I've questioned being a Fi type because they have relationships which are based on social rules. When I say expressive, I mean in emotion but also in thought and behaviour.


I thought the whole tangent thing is due to a lack of structure. How does Ti suggest manifest?


Say for example something is explained really well, I can create a mental picture of the explanation.

Danali, have you considered LIE for your type? No IEE i know writes the way you do, you bring things up in a discussion in a logical step by step manner. I also think you have great insight about yourself and your behaviour and mood, which I assume is tied to having strong Ni. You also seem like an exrtavert by the sheer amount of how much you write. I think LIE would be a good alternative if you haven't considered it already.

I also saw you had started a thread on Katie Hopkins. Do you identify with her? She is LIE i'm quite sure of it.

[Danali]

Danali, have you considered LIE for your type? No IEE i know writes the way you do, you bring things up in a discussion in a logical step by step manner. I also think you have great insight about yourself and your behaviour and mood, which I assume is tied to having strong Ni. You also seem like an exrtavert by the sheer amount of how much you write. I think LIE would be a good alternative if you haven't considered it already.

I also saw you had started a thread on Katie Hopkins. Do you identify with her? She is LIE i'm quite sure of it.

This was defo one of the types i analysed and i thought to myself is kinda sounds like me, then i read Fi dual seeking and i realised it wasn't me at all.

As for Katie Hopkins, I love that fact she can cause national outrage but simply uttering a few sentences, I find that hilarious. This further made me doubt being an Fi valuing type.

[The Reality Denialist]

Based on avatar I might gravitate towards IEE.

What do you think about drama in life general? Something to life for and arrange or just to keep it steady. SLI's if I have understood right have problems with it.

Next:
Imagination. How your imagination works?

(and based on previous how much drama it has?)

Any transformative experiences?

[Ave]

You have always come off EIE to me Danali, superficial impression though as we've never interacted.