Braingel/Kara’s Enneagram takes.

[Braingel]

Only place I keep my type everywhere is enneagram; Ichazo 4, Naranjo 4, Rh 4.. John Luckovich social 4, but enneagrammer itself probably wouldn’t type me 4, because they gatekeep it all.

[DEAD]

I'd suggest you look into it, it isn't good to indulge in useless things like Model A much.

Model A is the foundation, it's not useless. Without Model A, we wouldn't have Model G and the other millon systems that LIIs made up.

[Braingel]

I'd suggest you look into it, it isn't good to indulge in useless things like Model A much.

I personally find model G to be the worst socionics system

[Braingel]

It doesn't work, so it's useless. I could go as far as to say that Model A is just soviet MBTI, in fact, I've met people that were typed in MBTI and their type transferred over to G without error.

Which technically means that MBTI is better than Model A as its typings can be closer to reality which is what G aims to do.

There is a pretty good socionics school called school of classical socionics.. That is emerging.. It is being updated.. What Aushura hadn’t completed..

[Braingel]

Which is the best to you?

Scs.. Which takes it further than original, or Kimani White’s Model L

[Braingel]

It doesn't work, so it's useless. I could go as far as to say that Model A is just soviet MBTI, in fact, I've met people that were typed in MBTI and their type transferred over to G without error.

Which technically means that MBTI is better than Model A as its typings can be closer to reality which is what G aims to do.

In meyers Briggs, I am a VERY clear-cut INFP.

[Braingel]

Same with John beebe, infp… But infp there has an enfj shadow

[qaz00]

Like even going on about the potentiality I talked about.. I find it so, so bizarre anyone can possibly try classify me as an extrovert. My issue is actually the reverse, where I’m too aware of my own self, MY internal processes, my own heart and head, that it causes interpersonal issues for myself. This is also partially on autism as well. Autism gets its name from the prefix “autos”. It’s being too stuck in oneself, and this is why I’ve said it’s rather odd for a person with true autism, and not merely traits, to be found as an extrovert…

When I am stressed, I certainly become more extroverted. I believe this is normal due to my disintegration point lines and my shadow… But to classify me as an extrovert, merely because my output is high, and because I can write a lot, or I can under stress be more objectively (outwardly) focused.. This doesn’t make any sort of sense, really. It’s more that the potentiality I see, of my inherent introversion, goes pathologically outward in still a VERY introverted way, where all my interpersonal communications are still intra, communicating things about my own inner life, my own views, my own insights, and pretty much ignoring almost everything in the outside, objective sphere, even when I put myself in it and write all about my own internally, unless the external things seep into my internal and affect me and then I write through *my* own self about them.

As someone typing you as an extravert, I'd like to mention one of my reasons. With other very intuitive users here, especially Ni leads like End or Scawwy it's difficult for me to follow their thought process, their writing is like gibberish unless I really focus to decipher what they mean, and even then it's difficult to understand all the stages, how they come from A to B. You, on the other hand, I find extremely easy to understand, I know how to identify missteps in your thought process and criticize them, while with most intuitive users my first impression when looking at their posts is "wow, what does that even mean, where do I start?". Another factor is that I see you as someone who is instinctively, viscerally reactive, quick to respond and your philosophizing seems like an adaptation added later, IEIs to me seem more detached and their reactions to the outside world are less spontaneous. I use my own understanding of functions (my definition of Se is closer to MBTI than Socionics for example) and I don't stick to any models, so maybe my current SEE typing of you makes sense only in my system.

[Braingel]

As someone typing you as an extravert, I'd like to mention one of my reasons. With other very intuitive users here, especially Ni leads like End or Scawwy it's difficult for me to follow their thought process, their writing is like gibberish unless I really focus to decipher what they mean, and even then it's difficult to understand all the stages, how they come from A to B. You, on the other hand, I find extremely easy to understand, I know how to identify missteps in your thought process and criticize them, while with most intuitive users my first impression when looking at their posts is "wow, what does that even mean, where do I start?". Another factor is that I see you as someone who is instinctively, viscerally reactive, quick to respond and your philosophizing seems like an adaptation added later, IEIs to me seem more detached and their reactions to the outside world are less spontaneous. I use my own understanding of functions (my definition of Se is closer to MBTI than Socionics for example) and I don't stick to any models, so maybe my current SEE typing of you makes sense only in my system.

Me as an SEE is a joke.. I am so unaware of my surroundings and am far from noticing physical details of things, and I will never be one, even if you don’t believe me as an intuitive type. I just believe you confuse my autistic blunt way of communication with lacking intuitive depth, to be honest. I don’t believe you’re very versed in autism, and also, me being extroverted in behavior is an adaptation to a highly abusive environment.

I have level type 2 autism, and this already, regardless of type, results in a more dry, and straightforward way of explaining information..

My philosophical orientation has never been adaptive.. I was like this way before I started to get abused at the age of 7.

[Braingel]

As someone typing you as an extravert, I'd like to mention one of my reasons. With other very intuitive users here, especially Ni leads like End or Scawwy it's difficult for me to follow their thought process, their writing is like gibberish unless I really focus to decipher what they mean, and even then it's difficult to understand all the stages, how they come from A to B. You, on the other hand, I find extremely easy to understand, I know how to identify missteps in your thought process and criticize them, while with most intuitive users my first impression when looking at their posts is "wow, what does that even mean, where do I start?". Another factor is that I see you as someone who is instinctively, viscerally reactive, quick to respond and your philosophizing seems like an adaptation added later, IEIs to me seem more detached and their reactions to the outside world are less spontaneous. I use my own understanding of functions (my definition of Se is closer to MBTI than Socionics for example) and I don't stick to any models, so maybe my current SEE typing of you makes sense only in my system.

Se in meyers Briggs is a global ability to track the surroundings of what is out in the world, and noticing all the surface level details of things and concepts.. This isn’t myself… You must have a nasty interpretation of me that is delusional and far from how I am, and I don’t like how you perceive me, at all. It’s the worst typing I’ve ever gotten, and anyone who knows mbti well, knows I am an INFP.

You believe I lack depth, because you project your own superficiality on me, and conflate my autistic bluntness, from it being level 2, and having a more raw way of communicating, and my complex post traumatic stress disorder reactivity, with me being exonerated and higher Se. I am disinterred in hearing what you’ve to say about me, and you can fuck off.

You are the vapid person, who can’t even tap into the essence of myself. You are so bad at perceiving possibilities, you can’t even see past your own biased view of me, and look at pathology, like my autism and ptsd, and enneagram type. It is also impossible for an enneagram 4 to be an SEE, and that is my type.

[Braingel]

As someone typing you as an extravert, I'd like to mention one of my reasons. With other very intuitive users here, especially Ni leads like End or Scawwy it's difficult for me to follow their thought process, their writing is like gibberish unless I really focus to decipher what they mean, and even then it's difficult to understand all the stages, how they come from A to B. You, on the other hand, I find extremely easy to understand, I know how to identify missteps in your thought process and criticize them, while with most intuitive users my first impression when looking at their posts is "wow, what does that even mean, where do I start?". Another factor is that I see you as someone who is instinctively, viscerally reactive, quick to respond and your philosophizing seems like an adaptation added later, IEIs to me seem more detached and their reactions to the outside world are less spontaneous. I use my own understanding of functions (my definition of Se is closer to MBTI than Socionics for example) and I don't stick to any models, so maybe my current SEE typing of you makes sense only in my system.

You seriously have zero idea of what you’re talking about, or of grasping me, you idiot. When I was a child in elementary school, I was so un reactive, I took choking from my school bullies and I could t even fight back to them or to my father until I was 15.

[Braingel]

As someone typing you as an extravert, I'd like to mention one of my reasons. With other very intuitive users here, especially Ni leads like End or Scawwy it's difficult for me to follow their thought process, their writing is like gibberish unless I really focus to decipher what they mean, and even then it's difficult to understand all the stages, how they come from A to B. You, on the other hand, I find extremely easy to understand, I know how to identify missteps in your thought process and criticize them, while with most intuitive users my first impression when looking at their posts is "wow, what does that even mean, where do I start?". Another factor is that I see you as someone who is instinctively, viscerally reactive, quick to respond and your philosophizing seems like an adaptation added later, IEIs to me seem more detached and their reactions to the outside world are less spontaneous. I use my own understanding of functions (my definition of Se is closer to MBTI than Socionics for example) and I don't stick to any models, so maybe my current SEE typing of you makes sense only in my system.

Your idiotic view of me cannot even realize how much trauma it took for me to become reactive and extroverted in. behavior. I’ve been molested, choked, pulled by my hair, sped and this tree end to crash with the car with, and a bully plotted to take my life when I was 13 and got expelled and a movie record and restraining order. The only person who has ever apologized was my choker: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...1a3164783ce3e&

When I was in elementary school, specialists literally had to work with me to make me more external.

[Braingel]

As someone typing you as an extravert, I'd like to mention one of my reasons. With other very intuitive users here, especially Ni leads like End or Scawwy it's difficult for me to follow their thought process, their writing is like gibberish unless I really focus to decipher what they mean, and even then it's difficult to understand all the stages, how they come from A to B. You, on the other hand, I find extremely easy to understand, I know how to identify missteps in your thought process and criticize them, while with most intuitive users my first impression when looking at their posts is "wow, what does that even mean, where do I start?". Another factor is that I see you as someone who is instinctively, viscerally reactive, quick to respond and your philosophizing seems like an adaptation added later, IEIs to me seem more detached and their reactions to the outside world are less spontaneous. I use my own understanding of functions (my definition of Se is closer to MBTI than Socionics for example) and I don't stick to any models, so maybe my current SEE typing of you makes sense only in my system.

You grasp me so far from how I was and who I am, that it is a joke at this point.

This was my special ed team literally trying to make me more external, because I was literally too introverted..

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ca813e2b7622b&

It is literally the opposite of how you perceive me. This was before I ever get severely traumatized..

I have never been aware of my surroundings and it causes me great disability and is one of many reasons I even got put in special Ed to begin with, and they found I’m Aristide in process, and that I am socially impaired.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...86acbeabf122d&

I've had a lot of applied behavioral analysis therapy, which is abusive, that also made me communicate more like a neurotypical, and I had this on/off from 8-16.

You type by stereotypes and not even looking at what is beneath the qualities of what gives illusion to.

[Braingel]

Your idiotic view of me cannot even realize how much trauma it took for me to become reactive and extroverted in. behavior. I’ve been molested, choked, pulled by my hair, sped and this tree end to crash with the car with, and a bully plotted to take my life when I was 13 and got expelled and a movie record and restraining order. The only person who has ever apologized was my choker: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...1a3164783ce3e&

When I was in elementary school, specialists literally had to work with me to make me more external.

Threatened * juvie* I easily have the worst trauma on this forum. I have been choked, molested, whipped, sped and threatened to crash the car with numerous times and to kill me and make my sister fatherless and my mother a widow (father would literally say this), a bully plotted to kill me and got expelled, I got abused by my father and in one of my 6 mental health placements for 6 1/2 months, I got bullied for 11 years, and have faced abuse from my father since 7, and my mother had enabled abuse and blackmailed me out of molest and made me out as a schizophrenic to cover my molest. And got people to believe it online so I couldn’t even vent there and for police to believe it (as in she told officers).

I have faced unfathomable gaslighting and invalidation, and i
not just with my molest.

It took SO much for me to become reactive. Even, your observations of me could just as easily be an Ni dom in an Se shadow, which you’re too stupid to have even thought about.

I was literally SO introverted and SO kept in , that specialists and speech and language pathologists had to work with me for years to even become more outward….. I gave you my paperwork if you don’t fucking believe it.

How I am NOW with my expression and outward focus is NOT natural to how I am and is adaptive. The philosophy focus is the opposite. It’s always been there.

[Braingel]

As someone typing you as an extravert, I'd like to mention one of my reasons. With other very intuitive users here, especially Ni leads like End or Scawwy it's difficult for me to follow their thought process, their writing is like gibberish unless I really focus to decipher what they mean, and even then it's difficult to understand all the stages, how they come from A to B. You, on the other hand, I find extremely easy to understand, I know how to identify missteps in your thought process and criticize them, while with most intuitive users my first impression when looking at their posts is "wow, what does that even mean, where do I start?". Another factor is that I see you as someone who is instinctively, viscerally reactive, quick to respond and your philosophizing seems like an adaptation added later, IEIs to me seem more detached and their reactions to the outside world are less spontaneous. I use my own understanding of functions (my definition of Se is closer to MBTI than Socionics for example) and I don't stick to any models, so maybe my current SEE typing of you makes sense only in my system.

Can you even fucking see every time I get reactive, it has do with a singular concept: invalidation. That’s because I’ve been hideously gaslit.

look, my reactivity here isn’t fucking natural, and if you think it is, you’re a moron.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D3LKtb...ature=youtu.be

Being invalidated over my molest.

I got made out as a schizotypal to a woman psychiatrist I didn’t even meet at a bar:
https://youtu.be/spC8oSsN5xA?si=PzzedZLj_H_D_h2v

They fucking did this to police officers too. When I got molested social services called it and I got made out as schizophrenic by my entire family falsely to hide it. Every time my father has physically abused me bad, he has tried say I “hallucinated” it.

[Braingel]

If you think this reactivity is natural to my personality, you’re an idiot, and you don’t know how complex ptsd shrinks the amygdala. It took molest, 10+ years of very severe gaslighting, invalidation since my early childhood, severe physical abuse and severe emotional abuse (being called a worthless piece of shit, being threatened to be killed and bleed out my head with remotes and objects and sped and threatened crash car), 11 years of bullying and I still deal with trauma this day with family and with online people who have harassed me.

[Braingel]

Outside of my ptsd triggers and 4 Core Image issues, I’m not a very reactive person at all. Quite the reverse. But yes, I am reactive in 4 core ways and in my cptsd trauma triggers, invalidation being one of my biggest triggers. You couldn’t even fucking see this, you decided to make a shallow ass assumption on me, just as most people have done to me and throw me away, like I am a piece of garbage.

[Braingel]

You got me flip flopped. Hard core. Adaptive extroverted externalizing behavior, inherent detachment and philosophical outlook. You got me reversed, just like most people do in my immediate life, because of my parents, out of their own childhood and abuse, have done me.

[Braingel]

If you read any childhood report of me, it all would show me as introverted. I already showed one before I got abused.. When I was in elementary school. I was too “at risk” of “internalizing” (extreme, extreme introversion and detachment).

I had been badly abused by this time, and still was introverted: https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...bd390440b8084&

I never got actually extroverted in direct ways, but online I got more expressive, which is basically a withdrawn enneagram core way of being unfiltered from stress and disintegration. As it never happened in direct social interactions.

[Braingel]

What people don’t understand about me, is I am easily the most traumatized person on this forum. Not only by the various kinds of trauma I’ve had (I didn’t even mention non abusive ones, like my food being medicated, or me being taken from my house out of night by youth treatment facility transporters when I was 16, or preverbal trauma where I almost died and had very painful procedures, or my right clavicle being broken at birth and no one knew for 6 weeks and I was in pain the first weeks of my life. There’s also no way to definitively know, but I very likely was molested as a 2 year old or baby, as I started masturbating at 2. And my father in his volleyball club had two convicted pedophiles that were found out later, that is been around, and is a cousin with sexually deviant behavior whom my mother used to leave me around with her friend’s son with just him and the two of us babies.

In addition to this, I am badly autistic. I have level 2. Autism results in worse ptsd, in how I see it, because it results in more fixation, more sensory dysregulation, and inherent difficulty regulating and social issues that predispose more trauma and difficulty meeting needs to heal from trauma and to nkt traumatize.

[Braingel]

What people don’t understand about me, is I am easily the most traumatized person on this forum. Not only by the various kinds of trauma I’ve had (I didn’t even mention non abusive ones, like my food being medicated, or me being taken from my house out of night by youth treatment facility transporters when I was 16, or preverbal trauma where I almost died and had very painful procedures, or my right clavicle being broken at birth and no one knew for 6 weeks and I was in pain the first weeks of my life. There’s also no way to definitively know, but I very likely was molested as a 2 year old or baby, as I started masturbating at 2. And my father in his volleyball club had two convicted pedophiles that were found out later, that is been around, and is a cousin with sexually deviant behavior whom my mother used to leave me around with her friend’s son with just him and the two of us babies.

In addition to this, I am badly autistic. I have level 2. Autism results in worse ptsd, in how I see it, because it results in more fixation, more sensory dysregulation, and inherent difficulty regulating and social issues that predispose more trauma and difficulty meeting needs to heal from trauma and to nkt traumatize.

With the level of abuse, preverbal trauma, bullying, facility placement, inappropriate treatment like Aba and my abusive facility cathedral home for children and my autism that makes all of this process even worse in me, because of executive deficits and regulation and sensory differences, you really can’t just equate my behavior to any type, and again, autistic communication is also more straightforward. Autism is known for causing more literal and direct communication, it is a hallmark trait of it. It pronounces in a constricted effect, which I don’t have.

[Braingel]

A neurotypical with all my trauma would already be very fucked up. But again, autism results in me to process things even more difficultly.. Sole of the reactivity is not cptsd alone, but autism at its work as well.

[Braingel]

A formerly known as Asperger’s type, doesn’t even follow normal brain development, and so my brain is a lot more emotional as well.

https://kids.frontiersin.org/article...ym.2022.644822

My brain development is delayed.
It results in more impulse issues, and imagine this with my complex ptsd.

[Braingel]

So in addition to autism causing emotional regulation difficulties and sensory challenges, fixation/rumination and social issues that make the trauma a lot harder to process than of even normal, I am delayed and so like, apart of the emotional regulation issues stem from being behind..

[Braingel]

When I was 15, I started becoming more as how I am now, and I had a series of icepick/suicide headaches. Doctors thought I had a brain tumor, because my personality shifted and because I had all these symptoms. I’d say that is when abuse did in this damage, and my hospitalizations and facility placements happened then, as I started getting really verbally aggressive to my parents and would throw objects and pinch them, in response to them stressing me and sometimes their own abuse, and I also tried running away from home at 15, because I couldn’t handle more.

[qaz00]

[Braingel]

It’s not funny at all, you have made idiotic assumptions about me and demonstrate ignorance to trauma and autism. And how it affects me, and your view of me that you base on stereotypes and inability to look at someone's essence.

[Braingel]

you don’t even really have a right to type me without even knowing those things or all of my history, so you can fuck off, and the fact you laugh shows you treat me like I’m an object.

[qaz00]

I am disinterred in hearing what you’ve to say about me, and you can fuck off.

It would take an extraordinary amount of work to help you reverse delusions you have about yourself, so even with all potential you have I see no reason to communicate with you anymore, and your request will be fulfilled. Good luck.

[Braingel]

There is so much you don’t know, but type by blanket stereotypes, like someone being perceived as more literal being a sensor… Uh, have you ever heard of autism buddy?..

Did you know an autistic brain is barely even done finishing at 25, and I am not even 25 or over yet: https://kids.frontiersin.org/article...ym.2022.644822

Do you know how that aside from abuse and ptsd, can also make someone more “viscerally reactive”?

[Braingel]

You’ve before said you see me as both intuitive and sensory, ever consider you don’t know about autism or cptsd a lot, so don’t even know how to equate something to what is going on, and have a Halo effect (psychology term) bias from not knowing, and that you’ve a hard time seeing how people develop overtime

[Braingel]

To even assume an autistic brain, that is inherently different will show up the same is a flaw

[Braingel]

It would take an extraordinary amount of work to help you reverse delusions you have about yourself, so even with all potential you have I see no reason to communicate with you anymore, and your request will be fulfilled. Good luck.

Delusions.. Says the user who types on stereotypes and is very wrong about me. one who has met me in person or who knows me personally, including my boyfriend, would find your view of my inaccurate.

How you see me is literally the delusion.

[Braingel]

It would take an extraordinary amount of work to help you reverse delusions you have about yourself, so even with all potential you have I see no reason to communicate with you anymore, and your request will be fulfilled. Good luck.

You don’t see potential. You see a flat, boring person, that you view as inherently reactive and of being concrete, which isn’t even how I am. And laugh at what I’ve to say, which shows you’ve no understanding of psychology, and probably use typology stereotypes to compensate that.

[Braingel]

It would take an extraordinary amount of work to help you reverse delusions you have about yourself, so even with all potential you have I see no reason to communicate with you anymore, and your request will be fulfilled. Good luck.

I am the “delusional” one, when you don’t even know me, and you even thought I was an eie at first (which is also wrong), then I got more stressed out and developed rheumatoid arthritis and fibromyalgia from stress and abuse, that I got diagnosed with. You can’t even fathom that I could be in an Se shadow in some models from an Ni base.. You didn’t even see how I shifted, because I spent more time on discord, and a lot of people from discord 16T hated me for my shadowing hemorrhage. I am the delusional one when you type by stereotypes and think your view of me is right. I am the delusional one, when my boyfriend and others have called me the most abstract person they’ve ever seen. I am the delusional one, when 4 core SEE is impossible. I am the delusional one, when you think I’m inherently reactive, when I’ve a very traumatized brain from years worth of abuse and other trauma.. I am the delusional one, when numerous people have met me; when I was less stressed, and they all typed me as an IEI.. Yeah, Qaz, keep living in your own delusion. Your 9 core zoning out and lazily looking at thing, psychological inertia by Naranjo. Also directly ignore all my childhood paperwork that directly contradicts your view of me— before any adaptive thing ever happened to me from trauma and abuse (that was 15 that it happened).

[Braingel]

You wouldn’t have even known I was in a youth crisis shelter from my breakdown from stress and abuse and no one believed I was physically sick at first.

[Braingel]

And you don’t even see that maybe you also partially get my thoughts, because we both have vortical synergetic cognition……. and in addition to my autism resulting in me to be a lot more blunt. It’s a hallmark symptom to be curt, straightforward with this condition.

[Braingel]

I don’t want anyone to comment on this though, at all. I am so fucking tired of others falsely assuming things about me— especially when it comes to things I value about myself and want others to, and my own trauma and abuse, not even just with typology. And autism makes this a perpetual happening. God damned two-way theory of mind block. It’s so traumatizing to always have this happen, especially with my core gaslighting and invalidation, and being not only image, but a social lead.
I don’t want anyone to comment about this, even if it is to try and talk about my trauma. I am sick and fucking tired of my life. I am very much resilient in some ways, to even still be alive with what I deal with. But I don’t always want that, and sometimes like now, I wish I could go to sleep forever and never wake up. No one even cares about or values me, aside from pretty much my boyfriend, and I know that most care is illusory to begin with.. But I am just so tired of living in this world, in this vessel of mine, in a world I may have been placed into, to help evolve, it that I am not made to life in very well, and to engage others in much.

[Braingel]

No one would understand how even the two-way theory of mind block is traumatic overtime itself, ESPECIALLY to me being social and image. It fucking sucks. It fucking sucks to be autistic and be social and image. I wish I was socially blinded.

[Braingel]

And if you don’t fucking know what a two way theory of mind block is, read this, because I don’t have the energy and am crying and don’t feel like writing more after this, and feel like explaining in my own words, bc I’m too shaken:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10....62361317708287

it is yet another trauma to deal with, and it happens nearly every fucking day for me. Triggering my core wounds of invalidation and gaslighting, and hitting my social and image base… I just have had enough. People shouldn’t even have opinions about me until they even bother to fucking know me and what I entail of, and realize they would be biased because they can’t even read an autistic person well— their cognition, motives, etc.