Typology Random Thoughts

[The Reality Denialist]

I've took some time to further investigate some Enneagram Typings.

We all suck pity party!!!!

[Adam Strange]

I was talking to an ESI buddy of mine about an LII whom we both know. I have an LII sister and lots of LII acquaintances, so my expectations for my interactions with the LII are pretty clearly defined, but the ESI just doesn't understand the guy. What is worse is that he doesn't see any reason for even trying to understand him, but that's a Gamma-Alpha problem.

The ESI keeps trying to attribute Fi motivations to the LII, and of course, that doesn't work. I tried to get the ESI to understand that his attempts to change the LII into someone else were like any attempt to change someone.

"Would it be possible to get you to do something from the Bible that you know is wrong?", I asked.

He laughed. "Probably not."

"Absolutely not. You won't change your core beliefs for anything. You can't, actually."

It is a situation that we all are in.

I think I'm doomed to make lots of money without trying very hard, and without ever having any purpose or point to making it. Sort of like, being the best guy to turn the crank on this music box, but there is no music coming out. I'm just good at turning the crank.

God, I need an ESI in my life.

[ChaosConductor6669]

I think I'm doomed to make lots of money without trying very hard, and without ever having any purpose or point to making it. Sort of like, being the best guy to turn the crank on this music box, but there is no music coming out. I'm just good at turning the crank.

So, theoretically, if I want to be rich just ask some people like Richard Branson and Donald Trump for advice. Come to think of it, I did finally start to put into effect some advice I got from an LIE I knew 8 years ago; needless to say, he was right.

[Adam Strange]

So, theoretically, if I want to be rich just ask some people like Richard Branson and Donald Trump for advice. Come to think of it, I did finally start to put into effect some advice I got from an LIE I knew 8 years ago; needless to say, he was right.

There is a way for every type to get rich. I should make a list.

A few years ago, the great socionist DJArendee made a video on "How to pick up the types", and he was more correct than not, IMO, in addition to being hilarious. Actually, his video was awesome. It was a loss to the world when he deleted it.

Maybe a post on "How to Get Rich" for each type would be almost as useful.

[chriscorey]

Te types don't owe you a verbose explanation. Research the facts yourself if you don't agree. Why would they waste THEIR time? They don't.

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Fi Hidden Agenda isn't lacking in its ability to garner pity from the average person, a lot of the time we don't actually care about knowing people, but more knowing about them and proving what we know for our own sense of silent vanity. Hopefully this Physics degree finally makes my family love me.

It won't. Anything outside yourself won't make anyone who is truly human love or value you. A "degree" is but a mere piece of paper that says you passed a few tests. Hell, depending on where it's from, even that's not guaranteed. Pro Tip: If you're in a "Western" country ask if the Surgeon/Doctor/Specialist/etc. was domestically trained. The West is full of holes and on its last legs to be sure, but at least we still aren't handing out Degrees in critical fields because bribes or DEI initiatives yet. "Yet" being the key term sadly.

I've said it elsewhere but there is the example of the "Good" partner vs. the "Bad" partner and that most of us, despite our most earnest attempts, are actually being the bad partner because we haven't even the slightest clue as to how to be a truly GOOD partner. It isn't enough to merely not be bad. You must actively and intentionally be good.

For example, it is not enough to simply never insult nor strike your child unjustly to qualify as a "good" parent. That's just not being a bad one. You must also hug them "just because", support any of their morally acceptable endeavors, etc. I mean fuck, the insults "Didn't your mother ever hug you as a child!" and "Do you even know who your daddy is?" hit close to home for far to many for damn good reason (and hence, why you hear them so often).

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There is a way for every type to get rich. I should make a list.

A few years ago, the great socionist DJArendee made a video on "How to pick up the types", and he was more correct than not, IMO, in addition to being hilarious. Actually, his video was awesome. It was a loss to the world when he deleted it.

Maybe a post on "How to Get Rich" for each type would be almost as useful.

While I am sure his advice only really works on the Insecurely Attached examples of each type I am intrigued. Could you post a link to his videos regarding the subject? As always, the more relevant data I have access to the better

[Adam Strange]

While I am sure his advice only really works on the Insecurely Attached examples of each type I am intrigued. Could you post a link to his videos regarding the subject? As always, the more relevant data I have access to the better

@End, I discovered a copy of DJArendee's video "How to pick up the types" on one of my old computers, but it seems to be gone from the internet.
Can you suggest a way for me to post a 15 Mb FLV video somewhere?

[Adam Strange]

Yesterday I read an article on SEE Donald Trump by ex-Treasury secretary Robert Reich (https://robertreich.substack.com/p/s...-dumb-is-trump), in which Reich said that Trump is too stupid to read, but he's a fantastic conman, implying that his emotional intelligence is off the map.

Later, I was telling a friend about my ESI-Se interior decorator. I explained that she and I are opposites in many ways. I have over four thousand books, and she has read two books in her life. (She said she has trouble reading, which might be related to low Te.) I also said that she is terrific at convincing people to do what she wants. She works in a community help center where she, among other things, talks people out of violent acts, either towards themselves, or towards others.

I said that if I worked in a suicide prevention center and someone called in to say that they wanted to kill themselves, my response would be to tell them the best way to do that, not to talk them out of it.

In any case, it occurred to me how similar she is to an SEE. I mean, she has an SEE father, and she resembles him greatly, but she is, basically, introverted, so ESI-Se.

She's almost like an SEE, in that I like to do Activities with her. This is a case where the existence of sub-types becomes obvious.

I need to find a well-adjusted ESI-Fi. I'm getting tired of dead-ends.

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I relish playing with language and word play.

3rd sig line is a triple entendre.

1. a spell is cast and falling under that influence, not thinking.

2. it is only good for a s-p-e-l-l, or first line approach

3. time = spell

N is the slant here.

Type related.

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Ti PoLR is any wander trek journey on a whim.

[nifl]

Te types don't owe you a verbose explanation. Research the facts yourself if you don't agree. Why would they waste THEIR time? They don't.

to be unwilling to give thorough explanations for views has mainly to do with irrationality and weak functions, not Te
Te types like to explain the facts - help and advice is mainly given by ego functions, where you are more confident and interested in acting. at least, if that given person is not unusually self-serving

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to be unwilling to give thorough explanations for views has mainly to do with irrationality and weak functions, not Te
Te types like to explain the facts - help and advice is mainly given by ego functions, where you are more confident and interested in acting. at least, if that given person is not unusually self-serving

extroverted functions do not actively engage with their environment. they want others to research stuff for themelves - the bullshit people believe about typology knows no limits.

[anotherperson]

extroverted functions do not actively engage with their environment. they want others to research stuff for themelves - the bullshit people believe about typology knows no limits.

aushra herself:

"What do we consider an extravert’s main psychological trait (or one of such main traits)? A tendency to change the outside world for the sake of the subject. A tendency to take care of subjects and objects by changing their relations, as opposed to an introvert’s tendency to change subjects and objects for the sake, or benefit, of the relations between them."

"Every extravert possesses a certain restlessness of their feelings, a certain activeness. Something pushes them to act in situations where an introvert merely observes, giving the impression of being immersed in oneself."

"An extravert adapts to real subjects, objects, their various manifestations, or to what is happening within them or to them. While doing this, an extravert produces relations that are acceptable to these subjects and objects. Thus, an extravert is the creator of new relations and new feelings about the logical and the illogical (Ti), the ethical and the unethical (Fi), the aesthetic and the non-aesthetic (Si), the timely and the untimely (Ni)."

https://classicsocionics.wordpress.c...-introversion/

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aushra herself:

"What do we consider an extravert’s main psychological trait (or one of such main traits)? A tendency to change the outside world for the sake of the subject. A tendency to take care of subjects and objects by changing their relations, as opposed to an introvert’s tendency to change subjects and objects for the sake, or benefit, of the relations between them."

"Every extravert possesses a certain restlessness of their feelings, a certain activeness. Something pushes them to act in situations where an introvert merely observes, giving the impression of being immersed in oneself."

"An extravert adapts to real subjects, objects, their various manifestations, or to what is happening within them or to them. While doing this, an extravert produces relations that are acceptable to these subjects and objects. Thus, an extravert is the creator of new relations and new feelings about the logical and the illogical (Ti), the ethical and the unethical (Fi), the aesthetic and the non-aesthetic (Si), the timely and the untimely (Ni)."

https://classicsocionics.wordpress.c...-introversion/

The first part of my post was ironic. If you tell others to go look up something for themselves you are most definitely not extroverted.

[chriscorey]

to be unwilling to give thorough explanations for views has mainly to do with irrationality and weak functions, not Te
Te types like to explain the facts - help and advice is mainly given by ego functions, where you are more confident and interested in acting. at least, if that given person is not unusually self-serving

I think MOST people don't like wasting their time.... People in academics get paid and socialize in their own peer groups, mostly.

anyway, I should have been clear, but I'm mostly speaking about the internet. I think Te/Ni values time.

Then again, I'm not sure an SEI would like wasting their time on internet people either....

I give thorough explanations to my well educated friends and sometimes professors. Let me rephrase "Te doesn't owe random people on the internet explanations." I used to give long explanations on the web, but I don't anymore.

Luckily we do have @AdamStrange who I know is LIE, and a very nice LIE.

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Having observed more people than I would have ever imagined 10 years ago online and offline I am really concluding that the 4 dichotomies that Jung proposed and socionics is based on don't really hold up that well in reality and I think they are much more of a spectrum meaning that there aren't "ethical" and "logical" types who strictly fall into one side or the other. I would even argue that being entirely on one side is more of a disadvantage. If your life consists of only emotions and being affected by everything all the time you're are not gonna do well in life and being a strictly analytical person who is anal about structures all the time will make you a joyless worker drone. Being irrational and constantly moving from interest to interest isn't going to lead to much success but neither will a focus on the same thing without any kind of movement so being extremly J or P isn't all that great either. I also think that E and I are highly different depending on the person and heavily affected by outside factors like experience and yes also physical genetics because if you are attractive you are going to have a much easier time initiating social interactions. it really depends on how you define things. socionics needs an overhaul or something new needs to emerge because people stick like glue to outdated concepts that they can't really explain themselves but it's whatever. I still think it's the best concept we have right now and a step in the right direction but there are so many social IxFx types who can interact with people for hours socially and they will never see themselves as introverts just because they need an hour or two alone to recharge. If you ask 20 people to define extro-introversion you would get at least 10 different definitions anyway

[khaki]

Having observed more people than I would have ever imagined 10 years ago online and offline I am really concluding that the 4 dichotomies that Jung proposed and socionics is based on don't really hold up that well in reality and I think they are much more of a spectrum meaning that there aren't "ethical" and "logical" types who strictly fall into one side or the other. I would even argue that being entirely on one side is more of a disadvantage. If your life consists of only emotions and being affected by everything all the time you're are not gonna do well in life and being a strictly analytical person who is anal about structures all the time will make you a joyless worker drone. Being irrational and constantly moving from interest to interest isn't going to lead to much success but neither will a focus on the same thing without any kind of movement so being extremly J or P isn't all that great either. I also think that E and I are highly different depending on the person and heavily affected by outside factors like experience and yes also physical genetics because if you are attractive you are going to have a much easier time initiating social interactions. it really depends on how you define things. socionics needs an overhaul or something new needs to emerge because people stick like glue to outdated concepts that they can't really explain themselves but it's whatever. I still think it's the best concept we have right now and a step in the right direction but there are so many social IxFx types who can interact with people for hours socially and they will never see themselves as introverts just because they need an hour or two alone to recharge. If you ask 20 people to define extro-introversion you would get at least 10 different definitions anyway

That's a good observation but depending on how you look at it, it doesn't necessarily contradict Jung's thought or typology theories that strive for a faithful interpretation of Jung's work. Jung theorized the existence of distinct psychological types which differ from each other in the way they balance on the judging and perceiving axes and in their approach to individuation where the process of individuation means searching in this coordinate system for the sweet spot that brings the most personally fulfilling life experience to the individual.

Driven by the unconscious, natural disposition evolves in the direction of least resistance and, over time, people gain some knowledge of their own individual strengths and weaknesses. By relying on their rewarding personal qualities more, as they are their most important means for survival or by realizing this point of internal equilibrium is not at the origin if you will, even without taking it to the extreme, their natural orientations become differentiated and observable from the outside.

If you have a reliable psychometric method to quantify a set of preferences, then it's viable to treat these axes as spectra in order to compare their varying strengths between different people and use them to explain why those sharing the same orientation in a preference have obviously different behavioral patterns. Regarding introversion and extraversion specifically, although type theories, I think this has been addressed by both MBTI and Socionics to a degree, even if not very explicitly. By reading all these wordy profile descriptions, one can't help it but to have the impression that in both systems thinkers are somehow less sociable compared to feelers, or introverted thinkers are more "introverted" than introverted feelers. I'm not entirely sure if this is among the lines of what you've observed but Jung recognized something similar too. Early on, when his ideas about psychological types were still evolving, at first, he related thinking to introversion and feeling to extraversion as it is in his letters to Hans Schmid-Guisan, and only worked out the details of his theory several years later by shaping the concepts of introversion and extraversion from a more philosophical standpoint.

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That's a good observation but depending on how you look at it, it doesn't necessarily contradict Jung's thought or typology theories that strive for a faithful interpretation of Jung's work. Jung theorized the existence of distinct psychological types which differ from each other in the way they balance on the judging and perceiving axes and in their approach to individuation where the process of individuation means searching in this coordinate system for the sweet spot that brings the most personally fulfilling life experience to the individual.

Driven by the unconscious, natural disposition evolves in the direction of least resistance and, over time, people gain some knowledge of their own individual strengths and weaknesses. By relying on their rewarding personal qualities more, as they are their most important means for survival or by realizing this point of internal equilibrium is not at the origin if you will, even without taking it to the extreme, their natural orientations become differentiated and observable from the outside.

If you have a reliable psychometric method to quantify a set of preferences, then it's viable to treat these axes as spectra in order to compare their varying strengths between different people and use them to explain why those sharing the same orientation in a preference have obviously different behavioral patterns. Regarding introversion and extraversion specifically, although type theories, I think this has been addressed by both MBTI and Socionics to a degree, even if not very explicitly. By reading all these wordy profile descriptions, one can't help it but to have the impression that in both systems thinkers are somehow less sociable compared to feelers, or introverted thinkers are more "introverted" than introverted feelers. I'm not entirely sure if this is among the lines of what you've observed but Jung recognized something similar too. Early on, when his ideas about psychological types were still evolving, at first, he related thinking to introversion and feeling to extraversion as it is in his letters to Hans Schmid-Guisan, and only worked out the details of his theory several years later by shaping the concepts of introversion and extraversion from a more philosophical standpoint.

it might be that the 16 types that Jung proposed are very broad categories like Ni being in my view theoretical perfectionism which can be applied to pretty much any area and the subtypes which aren't defined yet determine how you apply your base function.I am personally not a Jungian but I pretty much borrow ideas from everywhere to make up my own. In real life I often find that people group each other into specific social circles and from the outside it seems that the people are very similar to each other. an artist is often not a person that appreciates pressure and tight schedules. a concrete person needs something to do with their hands. the economist needs to evaluate cost and benefit. when you go through a library you will see many subsection but within these sections you can feel that the books appear somewhat similar on a surface. it's hard to imagine someone that involves their life with copyrights and laws to be an abstract artist for example, so I think subtypes are very difficult to change or unchangeable and they appear when people fall on a specific set on the spectrum. the outside the box creative child is not gonna do well with the traditional parents who want their child to do something concrete. you could argue that this is an ITR dynamic but that pretty much means all traditional people have the same type adn that does not match my own perception personally.

[godslave]

I want to know once and for all if all the people who can remember faces better than names are people with Ij temperament. I mean, this is driving me crazy because the only source I have about it comes from Dr.G (actually it's from @hellohellohello Typing report) :

Rational introverted temperament is called balanced-stable. People with this temperament remember information by breaking it down into sequential parts orcomparing new information with information already known in structure. They remember faces better than names, because their internal channel of information processing is visual, while the external channel of perception is auditory.

I used to jokingly say to my little brother while talking about fictional characters "I have his (or her) face in visual but I don't have his (or her) name" or "He (or she) has manifested him/herself in face (i.e. in my mind)". I remember faces better than names, that's a fact. I consider myself to be a "visual person" because I use my imagination a lot for all sorts of applications. Does it mean that I have an Ij temperament ? I have reasons to believe that it's bs. Science shows us that in fact "most people" are better at remembering names.

People Are Better at Remembering Names Rather Than Faces

What about you people ? Are Dr.G claims true or not ??

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Feynman was totally visual, and his father taught him in that way in scaling things, like dinosaurs to house sizes in illustrations. He couldn't recall names either.

Extravert here.

Adam Strange gives him EJ in a good argument.

The world: ENTP.

I think it is a verbal visual dichotomy stand-alone.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

why athletes are Ni base and not Se base. I am glad this video came out after my article because it supports the claims that I make there. Ni is perfectionism and it can be applied in every field including sports and they excel on a global scale because our fossil fuel based society rewards this sort of thinking the most.

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I think the type IEI really determines the ideology of a society, no matter what it is, and the other types justs go along with it as long as it seems reasonable to them. it seems like the rational, unexpressive and professional IEI's are in control of the world now, much to the distress of the humanistic/artistic ones who care about people but lack pragmatic skills. But don't forget, throughout history, tables turn, nothing lasts forever. the artist is overwhelmed with taxes and contracts and easily spends his money on spiritual trinkets or stays poor because he or she doesn't care much about money, the concrete person buys cars or other objects like houses and is in danger of going broke, the passionate person spends their money on women, booze, friends who only care about his or her money, there's many ways a weakness like Te PolR shows itself, and so it must be for the other functions as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=z4VYaADUOVojYTEt&v=9Ja3Z9Z6LRo&feature=yo utu.be

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I think I have overstayed my welcome and need to take a small break again. Overall this place seems to be dying, but to me, it's not a concern. I just take what exists and stay as long as there's something to be gained in some shape or form, and if not I will move somewhere else. I think there's really only 5 things you need to pay attention to if you want to identify IEI's: Hope, Dreams, Truth, Memories and a Desire for love. It doesn't matter if it's the artist that reads everyone's emotions as if it is the most natural thing in the world, or the engineer that needs to build or tinker with things. If you pay attention to these concepts, you will identify them. I think I have gathered enough information to write something new. Guess I will be back for a while when I'm done, or maybe not. who cares really. I dislike the attention I'm getting anyway, even if other people would say something different.

[ChaosConductor6669]

I think I have overstayed my welcome and need to take a small break again. Overall this place seems to be dying, but to me, it's not a concern. I just take what exists and stay as long as there's something to be gained in some shape or form, and if not I will move somewhere else. I think there's really only 5 things you need to pay attention to if you want to identify IEI's: Hope, Dreams, Truth, Memories and a Desire for love. It doesn't matter if it's the artist that reads everyone's emotions as if it is the most natural thing in the world, or the engineer that needs to build or tinker with things. If you pay attention to these concepts, you will identify them. I think I have gathered enough information to write something new. Guess I will be back for a while when I'm done, or maybe not. who cares really. I dislike the attention I'm getting anyway, even if other people would say something different.

Shinji Ikari = LII

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Shinji Ikari = LII

Shinji is obviously emotional. I relate to parts of him, and think Evangelion is a personal favorite to me. Part of many arguments that I had on this site were probably the result of me underestimating the emotional impact that my words had on other people, and not realizing how important socionics types are to certain people's identification, while for me they are really just three random letters and in the future other theories will exist that are probably going to go more in-depth and socionics might become obsolte. Ideally, every new theory should come closer to the "truth", so maybe that's something to be optimistic about, yet I still think the theory itself is msinly targeted at wealthy societies who choose a partner instead of picking someone out of a necessity. It seems like older generations are better at staying together long-term, so ITR might not even matter too much on a collective scale

[ChaosConductor6669]

Shinji is obviously emotional. I relate to parts of him, and think Evangelion is a personal favorite to me. Part of many arguments that I had on this site were probably the result of me underestimating the emotional impact that my words had on other people, and not realizing how important socionics types are to certain people's identification, while for me they are really just three random letters and in the future other theories will exist that are probably going to go more in-depth and socionics might become obsolte. Ideally, every new theory should come closer to the "truth", so maybe that's something to be optimistic about, yet I still think the theory itself is msinly targeted at wealthy societies who choose a partner instead of picking someone out of a necessity. It seems like older generations are better at staying together long-term, so ITR might not even matter too much on a collective scale

Alive, you really are why I think LIIs are brilliant and I like them.

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[qaz00]

Out of these, only that first guy looks like a possible IEE to me, too short sample to tell for sure though.

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Another example from same channel.

[qaz00]

Out of these, only that first guy looks like a possible IEE to me, too short sample to tell for sure though.

Apparently it's Shia LaBeouf, I didn't recognize him at first. I see him somewhere between IEE and IEI with a tad higher Se than expected from such an amalgamation, closest match C-IEI-Fe.

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[ChaosConductor6669]

I think I have overstayed my welcome and need to take a small break again. Overall this place seems to be dying, but to me, it's not a concern. I just take what exists and stay as long as there's something to be gained in some shape or form, and if not I will move somewhere else. I think there's really only 5 things you need to pay attention to if you want to identify IEI's: Hope, Dreams, Truth, Memories and a Desire for love. It doesn't matter if it's the artist that reads everyone's emotions as if it is the most natural thing in the world, or the engineer that needs to build or tinker with things. If you pay attention to these concepts, you will identify them. I think I have gathered enough information to write something new. Guess I will be back for a while when I'm done, or maybe not. who cares really. I dislike the attention I'm getting anyway, even if other people would say something different.

Alive seems to have actually left; though it's not a bad thing. I think that typology is temporary for most until it no longer serves any useful purpose in their lives; those that indulge in it longer than a few years end up consumed by it and miss out on life.

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Alive seems to have actually left; though it's not a bad thing. I think that typology is temporary for most until it no longer serves any useful purpose in their lives; those that indulge in it longer than a few years end up consumed by it and miss out on life.

Bottom Fe is like ignore until the dam breaks and you wake up to the suppressed signals. Clueless overall on the Ti social damage doings until the wreck boomerangs back and start taking stock that it is the real deal.

Candidate for therapy for this one.

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I'm still here, but it's enough to look at this site like once every other day since there's not much going on outside of Expansion writing his weird poetic typology diary where Si base types are rule-following tradionalists because some MBTI youtuber said so, but he gets mad and tells you to get therapy when you challenge his lame points. the reality is that people have all kinds of different traits so do better with the definitions to define types since "Te=facts" and "Ne = opportunitites" are lame and low IQ takes from my point of view. touch grass and see how different people are.

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https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1593794

Re: Could be a large consensus.

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Ban me, it's whatever. Chriscorey wants to cut electricty and water to civillians in war zones. I honestly spit on such people. ("I come from a family of geniuses" pff, what is it about people here desperately trying to highlight how complex and gifted they are. If you were, you would propose ideas but nobody is coming up with anything here). In the same way Expansion literally uses zero arguments for anything and uses MBTI on a socionics site. Intellectually, this place is dreadful, but I can do research anywhere. It's shouldn't be a crime to call out stupid people. Gayser is also just an average mind that accuses me of insulting others while calling me incel dozens of times. (By the way, he frequently makes judgements of other people here who normally browse this site too, but it doesn't count when he does it). Ignored him for a year probably but he insulted me countless of times. Another stupid hypocrite if you ask me. Oh no he types everyone IEI it ruins my little typology game that let's me throw types around with no rhyme or reason. That's the real reason people dislike me here. But there's a catch to your perspective: you might be wrong about things

I actually come from a family of geniuses

Accuses me of narcissism. This website is just full of nonsense

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A sentiment is worth a 1000 pictures.

[anotherperson]

the reason Se gets so meatridden in typology communities is circular:

Se is a very pro-social function: even when ppl try to make it seem like this mega aggressor ooga booga monkey man, thats most likely from a prosocial (masculine/tough/alpha) represtation of them its about appearances, regardless of if the "Real" thing under is the same ...

so Se is meatridden bc thats kind of the point to some extent

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Channel uses all functions.

Behold.

Lo and behold.

Are you an ENFJ?