Oo changing them again!
Oo changing them again!
You are very correct. I stand by your response. You'd never see my son though... He has a huge dick and he's short.Originally Posted by on a peaceful hiatus
The mind is restless and difficult to restrain, but it is subdued by practice
-Krishna
Oo changing them again!
@DogOfDanger coward.
Would you stop your childish spamming, nobody cares.
Why does this post remind me of this lol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKbe5HVX...jpg&name=small
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ung-s-subjects
I don't know, but I'm sorry for your lovers.
breasts dick? what's the difference?
The mind is restless and difficult to restrain, but it is subdued by practice
-Krishna
It's was more of a joke on the implied incest undertones and how you are similar to shapiro
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ung-s-subjects
It's not incest you creep. I'm a mother. As a child my son cried to me that the other boys made fun of him for having a big dick. So I know.
I'm not as smart as Shapiro, but I'm flattered. I couldn't get into Harvard.\
Shapiro and I are both ILI....
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The mind is restless and difficult to restrain, but it is subdued by practice
-Krishna
I really doubt Shapiro actually said that.
No shit Sherlock
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ung-s-subjects
Relatable.
Looks like I've incurred the wrath of the hivemind. Oh no... I'm so afraid
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Black & white is a shallow divide, division is the color that multiplies
Taking thing at face value is good only for a spell
Watch out for the quicksand, an hour glass isn't worth watching when the cook is done
Pick a straw man, and you'll find a scared crow
Your Role Function is a middle aged Labrador that thinks it’s more competent than it really is, but it likes to lay around all day.
It thinks it can go out and play catch with the big dogs for hours, but it tires fast and goes to sleep until it thinks that it’s needed again.
It’s a lazy bum but not as incompetent as the rabid dog PoLR is.
I do not suffer fools gladly.
If Alive thinks Ben Shapiro and I are IEI he's foolish. We don't have Fe. That's why an IEI (Candace Owens) is destroying him right now. He has no Fe. Go look...
I favor people like Candace who can better influence the population. I love her.
The mind is restless and difficult to restrain, but it is subdued by practice
-Krishna
I have studied personality theory, all forms, since 2011. My ex-husband of 18 years is SLI.
Matt Walsh is SLI. There is no fucking way he is Fe. He cares not for anything but internal morals. ...He might be LSE.
pro-abortion=Fe
Pro-life= Fi, but could also be pro abortion...
hence the divide...
The mind is restless and difficult to restrain, but it is subdued by practice
-Krishna
Have you guys ever watched the show Northern Exposure?
Joel is NT and Maggie is NF
They can't get along...
The mind is restless and difficult to restrain, but it is subdued by practice
-Krishna
role can be for work
Your Role Function is a middle aged Labrador that thinks it’s more competent than it really is, but it likes to lay around all day.
It thinks it can go out and play catch with the big dogs for hours, but it tires fast and goes to sleep until it thinks that it’s needed again.
It’s a lazy bum but not as incompetent as the rabid dog PoLR is.
DEAD, your metaphor usage is in video.
Black & white is a shallow divide, division is the color that multiplies
Taking thing at face value is good only for a spell
Watch out for the quicksand, an hour glass isn't worth watching when the cook is done
Pick a straw man, and you'll find a scared crow
Imagine studying something for 13 years to come to the conclusion that pro life is Fi and abortion is Fe while there are 8 billion people with all kinds of convictions. Typology is really just dangerous nonsense. Most people do not have the intellect to use it in a sophisticated way and it will just cause misery in the end
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ung-s-subjects
Do you purposefully write posts that criticize the same thing that you do (I've seen it a lot of times from you, this one is probably the most obvious, replace Fi vs Fe part with "everyone doing X is IEI"...), for comedy/trolling, or you're that mentally ill? It's a rhetorical question, as I exactly know what kind of answer you'd give.
Oh you mean "you know" in like "you have a vague intuitive idea about what I'm going to do based on introverted intuition"?. Is the fact that you can't explain your typings just a coincidence, or your signature "to the dream and back". What was the dreamer type again I forgot? You see it's hard to communicate with people that don't even recognice blatant evidence in front of them, so I would rather just ignore you if I'm honest.
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Yes, definitely, it can be used in work.
It’s quite commonly used for work reasons, like for example, if you’re a Te base and you have a meeting/get together, you can use Fe Role for a bit to navigate the groups and the general atmosphere, and base decisions off that/try to impact that atmosphere and motivate people.
The Te base uses the Fe role when he’s not using the Te base to navigate a situation, and is more sure of the Fe than they think they are, and they can occasionally do things that are considered “cringey” to the people who are Fe base.
I know that’s a basic stereotypical example but it was the first one that came to mind.
In a way, it’s also the cringey drunk uncle of the functions. The one who’s overly cocky and sure he can dance, but he really makes a fool of himself in the presence of the well adapted functions (family members) who interact with each other more.
That’s one way to put it.
Interesting. I’ve never actually saw this video before. I was looking at some Michael Pierce, Porcupine Jason and WSS videos and came to the conclusion myself, but I watched the video anyway and made some notes of all the different parts and analysed it:
The general gist I got from the video was that the guy was describing an “ESTP-SxE”.
I guess in a way that makes sense as the best fit from the system descriptions this guy is describing. I know that it’s not exactly Socionics and not exactly fitting properly into the system but if I had to guess I’d say that it sounds more like an extroverted subtype (sometimes “correlated” with Dominant/Creative in Gulenko’s system if you wanna subscribe to that line of thinking).
If you were linking that post to me in a backhanded sort of way to start a typology discussion, then there are my thoughts on that.
If you wanted comments on “DEAD I still think you’re SxE but edging toward SEE over SLE” then here are some thoughts on the video from that perspective:
Okay, so this part here is the most iffy, when he discussed the socialisation side of things.
In general, I’m not very good at the social game. Not very good at playing it (in terms of wanting the external world to be a playground of relations), or saying “the right thing”.
I get frequently told that I’m insensitive and that I need to do better in those areas. I can be quite distant at times in social situations, unless there is a group that I can warm to.
I’m getting better at this though. I used to be terrible at it. I’m quite the lone wolf most of the time, and prefer my own company.
Doesn’t care about people being heard. It’s more about being fair (not so much in the politeness aspect of things, or making friends aspect, but more in the “I want to hear people’s opinions and discuss and dissect them” kinda way).
I don’t encourage or discourage people to stand by individuality. I am mostly indifferent about individuality, and have no issue with it, unless it gets to snowflake levels, then it needs called out. That disrupts the shit out of systems and it makes people pissed off at you. Usually. Well, that’s what the general consensus is on snowflakes.
Bored in social situations? That can happen a lot to any non-Fe ego type, in my opinion. Even the ones who are Fe HA because their Ne/Se is the base function and it needs more simulation than just socialisation within the environment.
Holistic Logic? Logical shapes? Thinking in frequencies? I can see the link to Gulenko’s description of the Holographic-Panoramic Cognitive Thinking Style, which might be where he is getting that idea from:
Te thinking style? Possible for “creative” SLE in the context of Gulenko, if you really wanna bend things there.
This cognitive style has much in common with the holographic principle in physics. A hologram (optical) is a statistically recorded interference pattern made by two beams of light which are transmitted and reflected from a single source. Holographic technology allows us to obtain a three-dimensional image of an object. The hologram itself is an aggregation of stripes and spots exactly resembling the embedded object.
The two beams of light are superimposed in such a way that every part of the hologram carries information about the whole.
In this way, by mentally superimposing multiple projections of the same object, Holographists reach a holistic view. To do this, they look at the image and select a desired angle of examination.
Holographic cognition often utilizes the grammatical conjunctives: “or-or”, “either-or”, “on the one hand, on the other hand”. It actively uses the principle of perspective; unrestricted choice in point of view.
The holographic approach is a progressive approximation towards the purpose, or away from it, accompanied by changes of perspective. The holographic process is carried out as if calibrating focus.
Holographic cognition has a characteristic penetrating, skeletal-revealing, ‘x-ray’ nature. It unhesitatingly cuts away details and nuances, giving a coarsely generalized representation of the subject.
Take for example the two orthogonal cross-sections of a cylinder: the horizontal section looks like a circle, and the vertical section looks like a rectangle. Two different perspectives of an indivisible whole which, when superimposed in the mind, produces transition to a higher level of understanding about the object.
SLE thinks this way in battle. Analyzing the situation, they simplify it to two or three facets (frontal, flank, and/or rear), but then quickly go to a higher tier of understanding.
Insights others never thought of? Yes. At times. SLE can offer that. Any type can really, depending on their area of expertise and functional usage. Not exclusive.
Do I fit in the status quo? Not really. Do I care about it, or fitting in? Don’t think about it much.
The NiTi points: Se dualising Ni. Locked in on focus. Hyper divergent. Fixed representation of world around us. Bend rules. Yes, lacking obvious Ne. Ne role. Unvalued.
Probabilistic algorithms? Yes. I have a model and a concept of reality but can tweak it to get what I want to from a situation.
Chaos into opportunity. Yes, that is a big thing for Se base, jumping into things. Scanning the moment for opportunity. Using the creative to manipulate the situation further? Makes a lot of sense at the fundamental level.
Do I dislike logical contradictions? Yes. Because disregarding logic. If people are relying on “easy fit logic”, in a way, that could be “Ti PoLR” if you don’t go deep into it, but could also just be using logic as a tool, i.e Ti creative and not going detailed as much as an LxI does. Logic isn’t the core of the xLE’s psyche. Just a mere tool. A deck of cards that can be pulled out to twist and change the variables of said situation.
Cynical? Merry vs serious? I think that merry vs serious isn’t a good criteria to judge a type because SEE can come across as quite “merry” at times despite being a “serious” type because of the Demonstrative Fe. Yes, I understand it as a principle but I think that a better term is just “Fe vs Fi valuing”. I know that’s simplistic in a way but that’s what it’s saying basically, and it is more accurate than Merry and Serious in a way.
Anyway, cynicism is something that comes out once a while. My inner skeptic. A healthy side of skepticism and seeing through the bullshit is always needed to make better, more informed choices that make the most sense and have the most return. Without skepticism, toxic positivity and the hive mind takes over it everything and everyone is just automatically “validated”.
Logical hardass? Yes. Because Se and Ti combined makes someone logical and a hardass at the same time. (Yes that was meant to be a tongue in cheek joke).
Feeling blindspot? Yes. I think that in a way, low ethical types can definitely misconstrue identity, and also understanding others on a deeper, more empathetic level. That is also something that I struggle with, and is quite draining.
Concrete sense of self? Values? I don’t really think about those things much, in the sense of my own personal values and identities. I’ve never really thought about it much at all. I think that having a strong sense of self is admirable to a point, until you start compromising everything over “morals” and “integrity” and being too stuck in that loop to the point where you pass up good opportunities because they go against your “moral compass” and “everything you are as a person”. Then it becomes contrived and stupid. You have to work twice as hard and not as smart to get the same result in some instances.
When he goes on to talk about The Matrix “what’s the point and what purpose does it fulfil?” Yes that’s a big point for any Se-Tx valuing type. Usefulness and filling purposes. Purpose can be applied to Ni as well. Every Ni valuing type wants things to have a purpose in some way, it seems. Even if they don’t think it at first. They have a focus on things too, much more than an Ne type ever will. They are less scattered, though in some unhealthy examples, that lack of scatter can come across as “tunnel vision” like. Being stuck on that one idea without compromising it, and being convinced that you’re right without a lack of external data (which seems to be prominent in some IEIs).
Ni 1D. Thats definitely a week spot for Se base types, and they need someone with proficient use of the Dual Seeking (DS) function to help them get out of the Ni rut. As long they and the Ni has has Ti. Yes. They need someone to feed them Ni for growth. I can agree with that point, it makes a lot of sense.
Dualization from that point of view, functional wise and separate from the person can make sense to a degree but the quality you get dualised depends on the person you are getting the Ni from. The source.
Dualization has always been too overly idealized within the Socionics community because of people’s biases towards it being under the mantra of “opposites attract”.
No, not every IEI or ESI etc, depending on your type that you meet will be useful to utilising your dual function, or fulfilling the desires of your DS function or filling out your weak spots. You have to be realistic about Socionics as a tool, too, and applying it to the world around you.
Anyway, those are the main points I wanted to cover. I hope you like long ass replies. If not, then too bad. We can discuss this more here if you want. I’ll be back later.
I do not suffer fools gladly.
DEAD = SEE > EIE (could see him as a pretty spectacular bartender with how he writes and tells stories).
Overall your recent post in this thread about the dog and role function, reminded of this video, and i just shared it to see if it added a further resonance to your type dive into the realms of the ESTp.
Black & white is a shallow divide, division is the color that multiplies
Taking thing at face value is good only for a spell
Watch out for the quicksand, an hour glass isn't worth watching when the cook is done
Pick a straw man, and you'll find a scared crow
That's an interesting and i like that observation, he is cast SEE a lot here.
Black & white is a shallow divide, division is the color that multiplies
Taking thing at face value is good only for a spell
Watch out for the quicksand, an hour glass isn't worth watching when the cook is done
Pick a straw man, and you'll find a scared crow
Yeah, I just wanted to go more in depth with it and just post some thoughts on it and shoot some shit. It took me about half an hour to write all of that, and 17 minutes to watch the whole video and make notes. I agree indefinitely that I am on the Se-Ni axis, and definitely not the Ne-Si. That instantly rules out eight types. Being cognitively introverted is unlikely, so that rules out 4 more types, and leaves the extroverted types in Beta and Gamma. EIE is Fe base, and I am not in tune with the emtional environment, so that leaves Te and Se.
So, if Se base is more likely > SLE, SEE
If Te base is more likely > LIE
That narrows it down to three types, substantially. Se is verging being my base because it seems the most obvious, so that leaves SLE and SEE as the most likely best fit.
Anyway, being between two types ain't the end of the world. Being an Se base ain't horrible at all, it's just about the processes that's going through your brain and figuring out what it is.
Funnily enough, I've always tried to be a writer (I'm actually writing something right now), and I've thought about being a bartender too.
Yeah, I am because my Se seems pretty damn strong at times. Overpowering even. The creative seems to be the thing that people can't nail down (I get arguments for Fi creative, and Ti creative), so SxE-Se makes sense.
I do not suffer fools gladly.
Black & white is a shallow divide, division is the color that multiplies
Taking thing at face value is good only for a spell
Watch out for the quicksand, an hour glass isn't worth watching when the cook is done
Pick a straw man, and you'll find a scared crow
I expedited rejection by assuming it
I know it’s not the same as potential reality but my intuition is screaming too much right now to ignore it
don’t want to intentionally throw myself into the open pit with knives sticking out of it, have already been evidcerated more than once because for some reason I’m drawn to rejection or something
I felt alive for as long as these feelings (of romantic interest) lasted at least. I mean they are still there but they need to be nipped in the bud.
probablt next I should tackle “I am worthless/not worth it/worse than others” but I believe it so much for some reason and I have no idea why
just some point around 12/13 I just seemed to have assumed this as if coming from some unfathomable depth of me. No bad experience brought it into being it was just kind of there. Hard to challenge something like this.
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wronf thread but I’m on my phone and feeling too lazy to fix it
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I will always be worse than others and always be rejected. He will always love someone more than me and completely. Or just not love me period. Whatever. Same thing over and over again.
Neuroticism = emotional dysregulation.
Any.
Meaning an inability to self-direct emotions and it requires external inputs and factors to regulate the wayward limbic cycle.
Like doing activities externally to regulate yourself. Addictions, etc. Avoidance activities like social phobias.
Sometimes risky behaviors included. As an analogy, extreme sports where someone isn't regulated internally and does life threatening activities for an internal response.
A famous rock climber reports the only way to actually feel something is to put myself at the interface of life and death, other wise no feeling. Empty & dead.
Black & white is a shallow divide, division is the color that multiplies
Taking thing at face value is good only for a spell
Watch out for the quicksand, an hour glass isn't worth watching when the cook is done
Pick a straw man, and you'll find a scared crow
Near-death experiences seem to depict some critical differences between personality traits (Big5, MBTI) and Jungian-like consciousness related personality systems.
For instance, it is not uncommon that people after near-death experience have higher openness and agreeableness, however what Jung described as in what sort of modes your mind is in, probably remains very similar.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
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I've been wondering if the idea of your memories flashing by in a split second before you die is an IEI concept
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ung-s-subjects
By a whole Carl Jung function, this would be both Pi elements (Ni and Si).
I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
Babies, click them to make them grow up into Kara’s Dragon Museum
My favorite adult Museum Exhibits
Pro-life is LSI. Nothingabout it.
[Today 03:36 AM] anotherperson: this forum feels like the edge of the internet
Go misquote somebody else. You obviously don't understand what I was saying. I said Fi is also pro abortion. All we see in the left media is Fe. Mostly. What is Fe?
The mind is restless and difficult to restrain, but it is subdued by practice
-Krishna
Ridiculous. I've had an abortion because I was told it meant nothing. I read more these days.... I WAS more of an idiot left than Alive is. Not anymore. With age comes wisdom.Pro-life is LSI. Nothing
You give the left a bad name. Truly I'm also left... I'm moderate.
PS
Fi is mostly women according to Jung.
Last edited by chriscorey; 04-13-2024 at 03:35 AM.
The mind is restless and difficult to restrain, but it is subdued by practice
-Krishna
Is this a specific he?
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