I relate a little bit with the Se and Ti on SLE, but I've know a couple of SLEs on my life...we seem alike but they are different from me. Mostly because they are Extroverts, and I'm not. And I agree with the description of Stratiyevskaya of them: "Either I overcome them – or they overcome me." ("When I was little my father used to hit me, now that I've grown up I hit him.")
My uncle is an ESTP, his dad (my grandpa) was an abusive father (who used to beat him), when my uncle was like 17 he took a machete or something like that and threatened my grandpa with killing him and got him off the house for life.
Also he has had a somehow chaotic lifestyle with a lot of comes and goes… its like he cant be in anyplace for too much time. He needs to move on (doesn't matter if he has wife, kids or house). I like his "vibe" (fiery but cool) but I don't think that I'm an SLE. Mostly because I dont care about power (not physical, economical or on hierarchy), I wont take unnecessary risks, I'm not extroverted (I don't enjoy people), I'm not hyperactive (just like doing something when I'm with people because I get bored of just chatting when the talk isnt really exciting), and I would first leave the house or called the police and planned something with my siblings, instead of threaten someone with death threats, guess. The other SLE that I've known are somewhat like that. In some way or another, I cant help but think that they are a little bit crazy/wild. This SLE description is all on power struggles. I rarely enter on that kind of dynamics. I don't see the world or my relationships with others as that, and I find a lil bit disturbing when ppl cant scape that kind of perspective. Not all the ppl are enemies or trying to win over you, I neither like the hierarchy view of any system. I'm SLI but I don't think that this descriptions of Si and Te and Ti are deeply correct.
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Myst
Hmm you don't pay attention to discomfort at all?
Of course I pay attention to my own discomfort, but I don't have a second sight on other peoples needs (and that is what this crossed text says). How I supposed to "know" if someone is hungry just by looking in their eyes? If they don't speak I wouldn't know. I need to watch people to notice their state and then ask.
Originally Posted by
Myst
Socionics model has all 8 functions. You are listing the conscious ones only (the Mental ring).
Yeah, mbti has the 8 too.
http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/16Types/ISTP.cfm
Originally Posted by
Myst
Ni/Fe are superego functions for SLI. Devalued, not really liked.
I'm not saying that I like them, I'm saying that I can relate to the descriptions on this SLI profile functions.
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Myst
I disagree that socionics is less consistent than MBTI. Did you read what I said about that in my earlier post?
Yes I read it, but I still thinking according what I've read on the sources, they aren't consistent with each other. My first source of information is information itself not other ppl thoughts or opinions (
No offense intended, btw.)
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Myst
I see nothing consistent in MBTI where it claims that J types have Te/Fe and P types have Se/Ne as the strongest preferred extroverted function. This is one of its weakest points. (Another weak point is the model of how the dominant function works with the auxiliary and with the inferior.)
Right now I agree much more with Te/Fe on Js than Ti. I always notice J types wanting to structure or change outside stuff (like other ppls opinions), so I cant agree on J types having Ti dom functions, since Ti is a function of internal structure not external. So according that, Te and Fe would provide this organizative/structured approach of their environment, while P times wouldn't (and for sure we don't). Actually my mom (esfj) fit extremely well with Fe and Si. She is extroverted and she is always moved by her feelings, and she is extremely careful and concerned over other people and her own health (Si), and as expected, she is always trying to manage outside world and her enviroment according Fe (feelings emotional impressions) and Si (her fears, and beliefs). Actually she does that thing of watching you and saying "did you eat?" or stuff like that.
What I've to say with this all is that I don't "trust" so much on the functions structure of socionics. I relate much more with the one from mbti, one that says that Istps are Ti Se Ni Fe. But I highly relate to (it describes me deeply) the SLI descriptions that I provided at first and the relationships dynamics (dual, supervise, quasi identical etc). I'd say that this two parts are extremely well developed on socionics (and this knowledge can be achieved by observation not necessarily because the functions structure is ok), but the functions structure maybe need more development. My personal opinion of course.
Maybe there are somewhere different functions descriptions on socionics (different author) that I could relate much more. Anyway, I think that I'm SLI. I don't disagree deeply with a lot of stuff from this particular Si, Te descriptions, but I do with the description of Ti on this one.