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I have had that fear of unintentionally misleading others as well. You can take comfort in knowing that you are being open about your uncertainty. Try not to be impatient, because it may take time to get to how your essence matches up to the type descriptions.
How is your understanding of quadra values? That has helped me so much when I occasionally question my type. As an NF, I am either Beta or Delta. Spending time with Deltas helps me realize that Si is unvalued for me. Also, at first I thought that the Reinin dichotomies would be helpful, but that ended up being just a can of worms for me.
You seek a great fortune, you three who are now in chains. You will find a fortune, though it will not be the one you seek.
But first you must travel a long and difficult road, a road fraught with peril.
You shall see things, wonderful to tell. You shall see a... cow... on the roof of a cotton house. And, oh, so many startlements.
I cannot tell you how long this road shall be, but fear not the ob-stacles in your path, for fate has vouchsafed your reward.
Though the road may wind, yea, your hearts grow weary, still shall ye follow them, even unto your salvation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pukq_XJmM-k
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Introvert (speech shows heavy emphasis on self, "I this", "I that", etc.) , Ni vision metaphor.
Fi; Serious quadra.
Irrational, Negativist ("didn't", wasn't equipped).
From the Wikisocion page on Constructivists: They can get "emotionally hooked", experience strong emotions regardless of whether they like the overall quality of material presented (for example, they may dislike a movie as a whole but laugh or cry during a single scene from it).
Add on that your message is a block of text worthy of tl;dr, and that pretty much assures that you're a declaring & serious. So, we've got Irrational Introvert who is a Negativist, Declaring, Serious Constructivist and who probably has Ni & Fi in their valued stack.
Shouldn't be rocket science.
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I am not sure that I agree with some of the descriptions, my interpretation of certain phrases may be at fault, of course. Are you familiar with Plus/Minus Functions by Gulenko found here: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Victor-Gulenko It was helpful to me.
You seek a great fortune, you three who are now in chains. You will find a fortune, though it will not be the one you seek.
But first you must travel a long and difficult road, a road fraught with peril.
You shall see things, wonderful to tell. You shall see a... cow... on the roof of a cotton house. And, oh, so many startlements.
I cannot tell you how long this road shall be, but fear not the ob-stacles in your path, for fate has vouchsafed your reward.
Though the road may wind, yea, your hearts grow weary, still shall ye follow them, even unto your salvation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pukq_XJmM-k
I was thinking NF, in general i get more of a delta vibe but you could also be iei...
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...e=Filatova_IEI
The wikisocion is a pretty good pool of resources for all types so have a flick through and see if anything works for you.
Now this is a story all about how, my type got changed, turned upside down. Just wait for a minute and watch chatbox right there, & I'll tell how Gem became the moderator with blue hair.
In typology central friended and praised, on the picture thread was where she spent most her days. Chilling out, selfies, relaxing all cool, And all typing some people and getting them schooled.
When a couple of girls who were up to no good, Started annoying her & her friends in the forumhood, She got in one little flame war & got pissed off & said 'I'm moving in with that exboyfriend in the forum with the socionics toffs.
So Gem pulls up to the forum for a year without being a hater, And yells to typocentral 'Yo creeps! Smell Ya later', Became a mod in her kingdom she was finally there, To sit on her throne as the mod with blue hair.
InvisibruJim
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I SAY IEE
FINAL AND CONFIRMED
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This tread has been derailed. I do not care to know who knows more about socionics or what age they are, just what information they have to offer. I will take the time to judge its veracity on its own merit.
You're a Wall of text type, I can't type you due to my eyes bleeding and (but less importantly) a general lack of typing skills
Yeah I'm going to say ILI.
If you want to rule out / distinguish ESI from ILI, look at the wikisocion descriptions of linear-stable and receptive-adaptive temperaments, specifically these parts:
IJs are both static and rational, so they see reality as mostly not changing and when it does, it's in abrupt "leaps" from one state to another.Introverted rationals have a very deliberate quality to everything they do. Although the wikisocion page says otherwise, I think most IJs tend to fidget quite a lot. IJs are also schizothymic, while IPs are cyclothymic.IPs are both dynamic and irrational, so they see reality as in continuous, gradual, often imperceptible change. An IP is soothed by this, seeing reality through his leading function.
I agree with your assessments of Negativist, and Serious Ni-valuing. That pretty much limits the discussion to just ESI and ILI... and I can't really see -suggestive or -polr in a lot of these posts, so I've got to go with ILI.
My apologies, this post has been deleted as it was probably one of the most boring and uninsightful posts I've ever made.
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In my thread about Ti ego, Fe seeking you said totally different things, including that you're married to a ESI. Whatever. http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...s-for-Ti-folks
When you first asked about your type in the Gamma quadra several months ago, I could see ILI or a Fi type from your writing style, that's what I even told you. I think you should look into temperaments : EII and ILI are quite different. In my experience, EIIs are driven by a strong sense of responsibility and they work quite constantly because of that. I'd expect ILI to be more fluctuating, despite their Te creative (however better able to judge actual efficiency). I haven't seen what you're saying about not caring about the task at hand and rambling on esoteric forums in EIIs I know; maybe also because they are doing stuff that's pretty much a matter of vocation, so how they feel about the task at hand isn't really a problem.
If you were IEI, you'd be Ni subtype. And I think the same goes for ILI. Your writing style corresponds to the activity rhythm of the Inert subtype in this thread : http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tical-subtypes
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Considering how you've irritated people over a forum has become foreign to me. You have an interest in personality theory and you're doing your best to apply it to your own self. So what? Isn't that good enough? For the most part, this is something people do out of boredom or because it's a little fun. Kill your boredom, churn your interest in your own way. Your self-typing isn't going to have any actual impact on the [mostly] strangers you meet online.
And I guess everyone has their own method for self-typing. It's probably not suited for everyone, but I found casting all that intricate theoretical stuff to the side and sticking with the basics and then trying to compare and contrast with the people I interact with on a concrete level. Because people's inner thoughts and private interests can be surprising compared to how they most naturally act and interact with the world around them.
I mean, it can be somewhat empowering to see yourself in an abstract model such as socionics, but it's even more empowering to let go of it and see yourself without so many limitations. Because, after all, while socionics can be a tool for self-discovery, I think it too often accomplishes the opposite. Even people who fall under the same type can be so different from one another. Slowly but surely, things fall into place. And I think having doubts can be pretty normal, too, especially if you're being your own person. So by lending concentration on other things, realizing natural strengths and weaknesses, I think it more easily comes together than just thinking black and white triangles, circles, and squares.
Lastly, it's not wrong to be wrong, especially if you're not too stubborn about it.
You seek a great fortune, you three who are now in chains. You will find a fortune, though it will not be the one you seek.
But first you must travel a long and difficult road, a road fraught with peril.
You shall see things, wonderful to tell. You shall see a... cow... on the roof of a cotton house. And, oh, so many startlements.
I cannot tell you how long this road shall be, but fear not the ob-stacles in your path, for fate has vouchsafed your reward.
Though the road may wind, yea, your hearts grow weary, still shall ye follow them, even unto your salvation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pukq_XJmM-k
For what it's worth, your conversation and the clarification about the nude beaches made me think ILI. Could be Ni subtype.
@Jimmers
Recently I read http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...ungian_Aspects about the Left / Right dichotomy and I recommend you taking a look at the Groupings, maybe these can (still) help. ILI and EII are both Right Intuitives, whereas ESI is a Left Sensor.
IEE > EII ....but Jimmers iz a mcool guy overall
You strike me as an ILI.
Generally speaking, you seem to be a gamma intuitive thinker since you give priority to a realistic/longterm viewpoint on most, if not all matters. This is supported by your observation that you do not really publicly come apart at the seams, emotionally speaking. You seem to be ILI in particular, since you have a natural inclination (whether it is suppressed or not) to be truthful in conversation when it comes to relatively indisputable facts.
To give some elaboration, there are also some aspects of your communication style which stand out in favor of ILI. You have a generally neutral stance on issues combined with some adopted consideration of social convention. Adopted in the sense that they don't come naturally, and must be consciously worked on. While you are formal for the sake of accuracy in talking about issues of interest, you have an overall informal way of talking to ease conversation and as a gesture of goodwill, as you put it.
Your adaptability (due to irrationality?) combined with difficult life circumstances and a subtle appreciation of systems could make it harder to self-type. Being adaptable to circumstances can make it hard to get at the real you and knowing that manifestations of behavior patterns (in this case, type functions) can take many different forms could make it hard to pin down a particular type. Still, in my outside view I would say you are ILI.
I would like to add that I do think that ILIs have strong emotions and affections :) The form these emotions take is just not necessarily explicit to some.
Also, for various reasons, I have found video VI to be pretty helpful in making final decisions. Depending on the strength of one's internal conception of others, it might actually be easy to adopt another type's written style. Acting out a whole other type with your body is harder. Let's not argue if it's a science on either the VI or socionics level, because that's a whole other ballpark right? I can pull up a couple examples of what I think are ILIs if you'd like.
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I think just exploring what it means to have a irrational preference is a good idea. One of my issues with the way this is usually presented is it makes insufficient reference to information and more to other things. For instance, is the real difference between the two INT coming down to how rigid and all they are?
How rigid the man is might not have much to do with how the thought process looks. Intuitive information, when prioritized, appears more spontaneously than through deliberation. There's a reason ILI often is portrayed to have developed imaginative faculties which can proceed without considering any particular framework, data, etc necessarily in mind.
EII I'd expect to be relatively analytical in the ethical sphere, with more emphasis on Fi/Ti leading to an overall judging attitude. If your natural processes all gravitate to ethics then I'd say EII is a decent bet.
As for being artistic and so forth, this can be sooooo many things. On the one hand Gulenko describes how the N types in the socionics seem to correlate with the Big 5 openness, which tends to be related to an overall curiosity both for things like art and things like theory.
Yet we all know there are highly artistic SEI, LSI who do plenty of (logical) theorizing.
The information elements are just highly general things - they tell you roughly what sort of information someone is dealing in.
I think considering some of the dichotomies of forms of cognition is useful too. Process/result, negativist/positivist and etc.
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