Biased? Can't be objective? Embrace it!

[griggerplease]

1. Choose one of the tests:

http://www.socionics.com/sta/sta_turbo.html

4 questions

Instructions:

* Answer according to what you wanna look like (look-a-like). Count points if it is a difficult question to answer.

2a. You are the type opposing your result in this table (Look-a-like relations):

ENTp - ESTp
ISFp - INFp
ESFj - ESTj
INTj - INFj
ENFj - ENTj
ISTj - ISFj
ESFp - ENFp
INTp - ISTp


http://www.socionics.com/sta/sta_turbo_xl.html

54 questions

Instructions:

* Answer according to what you wanna look like (look-a-like)

* Utilize the unsure button when you are unsure due to a difficult question to answer philosophically, if you get too many Xs then my method wont work for you on this test.

2b. You are the type opposing your result in this table (Look-a-like relations):

ENTp - ESTp
ISFp - INFp
ESFj - ESTj
INTj - INFj
ENFj - ENTj
ISTj - ISFj
ESFp - ENFp
INTp - ISTp

My answers:





My result:


Why this method works:
"Business relations (also known as look-alike relations) are similar to identity and kindred in that partners have half their functions in common — in this case, all the even-numbered ones ("Producing functions 'come second' and are even-numbered: 2, 4, 6, and 8")."
Sources:
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Business
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p..._and_producing

Which means that what we want to look like is a product of an incomplete (half) perception of reality. The other half is what we actually are but can't perceive, (and in an "normal" individual what we want to look like):



"Aushra Augusta suggested that accepting functions focus on obtaining a picture of reality, and producing functions create some sort of 'new' product that is molded to that cross-cut of reality obtained by the accepting function."
Source:
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p..._and_producing Content 2

This means that my method lets you produces a result that is going to when calculated with my algorithm (Look-a-like relations) give you your actual type.

Recommended descriptions/portraits:

ENTp
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ISFp
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ESFj
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
INTj
http://personalitycafe.com/blogs/lan...written-12277/

ENFj
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ISTj
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ESTp
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
INFp
http://personalitycafe.com/infp-arti...r-written.html

ESFp
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
INTp
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ENTj
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ISFj
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html

ESTj
http://personalitycafe.com/logical-s...r-written-112/
INFj
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ENFp
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ISTp
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html

Edit:
Foundation for this thread:
http://www.socionics.com/forums/show...5760#post25760

[Cuddly McFluffles]

If those tests have not changed from back when I took them (it's been some years, admittedly), then they are not useful for typing in socionics. For that matter, most socionics tests are not overly useful. (Socioniko.net had one that I would have loved to try out, but it is long closed down.)

[griggerplease]

If those tests have not changed from back when I took them (it's been some years, admittedly), then they are not useful for typing in socionics. For that matter, most socionics tests are not overly useful. (Socioniko.net had one that I would have loved to try out, but it is long closed down.)

You again.. I hope you reverse engineered both tests and proved them to be subjective, if not...

[Cuddly McFluffles]

You again..

Yes, me. This is a public discussion board. People tend to engage each other in discussion here, whether they agree or disagree with the person they are responding to.

I hope you reverse engineered both tests and proved them to be subjective, if not...

The first test is dichotomous, which is far less useful than typing by socionics IEs. The second test works off of traits that do not always correspond to a given dichotomy or IM element. If the source material is bad, then it is bad. And what does subjectiveness have to do with anything?

[griggerplease]

Yes, me. This is a public discussion board. People tend to engage each other in discussion here, whether they agree or disagree with the person they are responding to.

You know exactly what I meant.

Edit: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...pe-development

The first test is dichotomous, which is far less useful than typing by socionics IEs. The second test works off of traits that do not always correspond to a given dichotomy or IM element. If the source material is bad, then it is bad. And what does subjectiveness have to do with anything?

1. Usefulness is subjective.
2. What you believe to correspond is subjective. If you can prove that it doesn't correspond post some sources, I can't take you for your word anymore.
3. It is not bad til you link the sources which supposedly "don't" correspond.
4. Do you understand the concept subjective now?

[Cuddly McFluffles]

You know exactly what I meant.

Not really, but I am open to hearing your explanation and would prefer to hear it rather than voice assumptions.

1. Usefulness is subjective.

Sometimes.

2. What you believe to correspond is subjective. If you can prove that it doesn't correspond post some sources, I can't take you for your word anymore.
3. It is not bad til you link the sources which supposedly "don't" correspond.

You aren't posting sources here either, just your opinion of what works. Why demand of me what you aren't doing yourself?

Dichotomies are not hard and fast rules. There are Rationals who seem more Irrational at first glance. (Rick DeLong has written on this, but I don't recall where exactly.) I am one of them. I resisted being typed Rational for months because I was stuck on dichotomies and temperament descriptions that told me I was Irrational rather than Rational. I didn't start considering Fi-base (EII at the time) until Rick himself put it forward during a type consultation. There are also introverted Extratims and extroverted Introtims, which Rick has written about on his blog. Getting caught up in the dichotomies at the expense of IM elements is a bad practice and can lead to mistypes. But even if you want to argue that they are useful in some circumstances, take Rick's description of the dichotomies and compare them to that test. Furthermore, certain questions on that XL questionnaire are overly simplistic; the true answers can be highly context-dependent. I can go in-depth if necessary, but I don't really feel like it at this moment. Exploring when it does or does not apply is far more constructive than simply saying "I do/don't do this" and assigning it to one side of a scale.

By the way, your method gives me INTx, which is incredibly inaccurate when you look at the IEs involved. I am neither Ti base nor Ni base.

[Beautiful sky]

first one I got

If your type is INFj - "The Empath"
In a relationship you seek to reveal your great affection and empathy for your partner. You like to observe ethical conduct and aspire to create an ideal relationship between people. You could often be overanxious about your health for seemingly no apparent reason. You are fascinated by people who can demonstrate resourcefulness and efficiency.

[griggerplease]

first one I got

If your type is INFj - "The Empath"
In a relationship you seek to reveal your great affection and empathy for your partner. You like to observe ethical conduct and aspire to create an ideal relationship between people. You could often be overanxious about your health for seemingly no apparent reason. You are fascinated by people who can demonstrate resourcefulness and efficiency.

ISFj then

Edit: If you followed my instructions
Edit: *yawn* sleep deprivition, INTj if you scored INFj, yes.

[Beautiful sky]

ISFj then

Edit: If you followed my instructions

I didn't follow your instructions because I can't understand them.

[griggerplease]

so what, now you think someone who scores INFj on the first test is really an INTj? how?

If you follow the instruction that is the case, yes.

I didn't follow your instructions because I can't understand them.

So simple, so simple instructions.

[Beautiful sky]

So simple, so simple instructions.

Maybe there's a language barrier...so my self image is an INTj? I'm not like them.

[Beautiful sky]

Edit: *yawn* sleep deprivition

cohesion is often lost with sleep; you should get some sleep

Thank you for the help

[Beautiful sky]

I have this weird purple dot on my arm that I observed for the first time today...it's keeping me on edge...my dual cousin and SEXINESS said to watch and make sure it goes away within a few days.

[Beautiful sky]

1. Choose a test

so what, now you think someone who scores INFj on the first test is really an INTj? how?

[some chair]

I'm not disagreeing, but I'm curious why people's self-image is as their look-a-like? It's a curious observation.

[griggerplease]

I'm not disagreeing, but I'm curious why people's self-image is as their look-a-like? It's a curious observation.

Jung Psychological Types, MBTI and Socionics. 3 is the magic number. 4 is my lucky number.

[Beautiful sky]

Second set was again INFj...what's the point of this?

[Beautiful sky]

Look at the traits and how can one have the self image of something they are not?

There are people that:

Feeler type
Are interested in people and their feelings • Easily pass own moods onto others • Pay great attention to love and passion • Evaluate things by ethics and good or bad • Are often touchy or use emotional manipulation • Often pay compliments to please people
There are people that:

Thinker type:
Are interested in systems and structures • Subject everything to a logical analysis • Are normally relatively cold and unemotional • Evaluate things by intellect and true or false • Are not very keen on talking about feelings • Do not like to clear up arguments or quarrels

[Cuddly McFluffles]

@negern I did mention taking this elsewhere to her. I'm more than happy to ask the mods for a thread split for the divergent discussion, if that's what you'd prefer.

Edit: We posted this at the same time. I'll grab a mod.

[Narc]

To humour you:

First test: ISTp -> INTp
Second test: XNTp -> XSTp

[Scapegrace]

ISTp 4 lyfe.

[Olly From Wally World]

First test- INFp --> ISFp
Second test- INFp --> ISFp

[squirreltual]

ISFj ----> ISTj
ESFj ----> ESTj

[griggerplease]

1. Choose one of the tests:

http://www.socionics.com/sta/sta_turbo.html

4 questions

Instructions:

* Answer according to what you wanna look like (look-a-like). Count points if it is a difficult question to answer in that manner)

2a. You are the type opposing your result in this table (Look-a-like relations):

ENTp - ESTp
ISFp - INFp
ESFj - ESTj
INTj - INFj
ENFj - ENTj
ISTj - ISFj
ESFp - ENFp
INTp - ISTp


http://www.socionics.com/sta/sta_turbo_xl.html

54 questions

Instructions:

* Answer according to what you wanna look like (look-a-like)

* Utilize the unsure button when you are unsure due to a difficult question to answer philosophically, if you get too many Xs then my method wont work for you on this test.

2b. You are the type opposing your result in this table (Look-a-like relations):

ENTp - ESTp
ISFp - INFp
ESFj - ESTj
INTj - INFj
ENFj - ENTj
ISTj - ISFj
ESFp - ENFp
INTp - ISTp

My answers:





My result:


Why this method works:
"Business relations (also known as look-alike relations) are similar to identity and kindred in that partners have half their functions in common — in this case, all the even-numbered ones ("Producing functions 'come second' and are even-numbered: 2, 4, 6, and 8")."
Sources:
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Business
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p..._and_producing

Which means that what we want to look like is a product of an incomplete (half) perception of reality. The other half is what we actually are but can't perceive, (and in an "normal" individual what we want to look like):



"Aushra Augusta suggested that accepting functions focus on obtaining a picture of reality, and producing functions create some sort of 'new' product that is molded to that cross-cut of reality obtained by the accepting function."
Source:
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p..._and_producing Content 2

This means that my method lets you produces a result that is going to when calculated with my algorithm (Look-a-like relations) give you your actual type.

Recommended descriptions/portraits:

ENTp
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ISFp
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ESFj
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
INTj
http://personalitycafe.com/blogs/lan...written-12277/

ENFj
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ISTj
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ESTp
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
INFp
http://personalitycafe.com/infp-arti...r-written.html

ESFp
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
INTp
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ENTj
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ISFj
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html

ESTj
http://personalitycafe.com/logical-s...r-written-112/
INFj
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ENFp
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html
ISTp
http://personalitycafe.com/socionics...r-written.html

Edit:
Foundation for this thread:
http://www.socionics.com/forums/show...5760#post25760

Updated

[griggerplease]

I have now explained why this method actually works.

[Beautiful sky]

I don't want to look like an INTj...why would I want to? This test makes no sense.

If I want to look like an ESTj

but I am an INFj on the second test, what does that make me?

[griggerplease]

descriptions added