Pollos.
Pollos.
finally jumped on the band wagon with this show. i've heard the characters progress over time but this is based on where i am at the beginning of the second season.
walt - not thrilled with sli, but i can't make anything else fit. he's so stiff, but i don't think any of the ij types work at all. perhaps lse?
jesse - see, se and fi...i gave some thought to esi but he's way too fucking spastic. so fi sub i guess.
skyler - uggg, esi? i hate hearing her bitch thru one third of every episode but i really see where she's coming from, i mean there are obviously things going on and she's being cut out and i can't say i would behave much differently in her situation.
hank - sle. i don't think he has the sort of distant concern over all the details like an si creative, he's more in the moment and influenced by what's in front of him. he seems doofily susceptible to emotional manipulation in a way i associate with sles.
marie - idk. introvert? she's an interesting character to me because she's hard to read. i think i like her and i'm interested how she will progress as the show goes on.
ummmm, walt jr ixfx? tuko lse?
I'm gonna try to re-vamp my old typings. Maybe some will change, maybe not, who knows.
Walt: Te-SLI 5w6 sp/sx. He puts a lot of emphasis on "listening to reason," which definitely pushes him into the E5 camp imo.
Jesse: Se-ESXp? 6w7 sx/sp. Not totally sure where people are getting Fi from though I won't rule it out. Aaron Paul seems SLE or ILE to me.
Skyler: Ne-INFj 2w1 (1w2?)
Hank: Si-ESTj 7w8/8w7 sx/so. Dean Norris seems Si-ESFj though.
Marie: ?Fi?-ENFp 6w7 sx?
Flynn: Fi-INFj????
Saul: Fe-ENFj? 3w4 so/sp
Gus: Ne-INFj 1w9 sp/so?
Mike: Si-ESTj 8w9 sp/sx
Lydia: Fi-ENFp 6w5 sp/sx
Vince Gilligan: Fi-INFj 9w1 sp/sx?
Last edited by Galen; 09-16-2013 at 09:15 PM.
Nah, I think she stays about the same. Marie is the one that has always annoyed me the most.Originally Posted by lungs
Gah this last episode was phenomenal. My jaw was literally to the floor. It's getting real folks.
ikr, i didn't even realize how tense i was until the ep ended. i was contorting in my seat. :V
RETYPES
Walt: Te-SLI E5
Jesse: Fi-SEE (or Fi-IEE) E6
Skyler: still can't figure beyond IXXj (not LSI)
Hank: Si-ESE? E8
Marie: Fi-IEE E2, reminds me of my mother :C
Flynn: don't care enough to type
Saul: Fe-EIE E3
Gus: Fi-EII E1
Mike: Si-LSE E8
Lydia: no idea
Todd: Ne-EII
So...
Idk skylar annoyed me a lot in the earlier seasons but she grows on you. I kinda like her now. I wish they never would've killed off Tuco, he was one of my favorites, amazing acting.
Try not to spoil too much folks, remember that lungs is still a newbie to the series!
And so was I, if you had asked me over 2 weeks ago lol.
For walt, either this:
Ne (Creative):
Wants to improve and harmonize the external world.
Quite unforgiving of people who destroy it.
See the possibilities of how anything can be improved, changed or rearranged.
Often generate bold ideas on how to make humanity happier.
Likes to find chaos to mend it.
Sometimes unconsciously not finish things because finished things are useless.
Perfect world is a world that always needs fixing.
Storytellers about ideal world.
Gets provoked by possibility to teach others to be good.
Si (Mobilizing):
Self-estime depends health knowledge and behavior.
Knows lots of facts about health issues.
Often likes alternative medecin.
Anything that can improve health is interesting to them.
Any threats to their well-being are unacceptable.
When they have health problems, it lowers their self-estime.
Active defence, will start heavy lifting, or proving his healthy.
Passive defence, will say things like "yes im old and weak".
Doesn't want others to see him sick.
Sometimes need to test their body, to be sure it's'healthy.
or
Te (Creative):
Likes to fix physical things.
Likes construction toys.
Fixes in an original way.
Have a set of rules, but its flexable.
Needs to be able to break contracts if needed too. (commitment issues)
Likes to physically upgrade things.
Uses laws at his advantage.
Fi (Mobilizing):
Self-estime depends on loving someone.
If they don’t like someone, it lowers their self-estime.
Can sometimes imagine a perfect world with perfect feelings, and live without strong feelings.
Best to admit that the world is not perfect and love it for what it is.
De-idealization means very negative feelings and a drop in self-estime.
Need to talk about what they love, express personal attitudes.
Likes to tell the truth and hopes it will be perceived adequately.
Likes to keep distance from object of admiration, of fear of being disappointed.
Might love animals or mystical entities.
In passive self-defence will say all people around him are bastards.
So, IP or IJ
For IJ, leading might be:
Ti (Leading):
Believe in his logic, ignores facts.
Doesn’t like to explain his vision.
Skeptical of new information.
Hardly puts his thinking into perspective.
Needs mistakes to change his view.
Fe:
Tries to find a place where he is treated well by everybody.
If someone expresses negative feelings towards him, changes place (run to a better environment)
Very suggestible to other peoples evaluations of relationships.
Likes positive emotions of other people.
Doesn’t like intrigue and gossip, often is the victim of it.
Critical of people that aren’t direct with him.
Relation dictates actions.
Very suspicious about predisposition of others towards him.
Suspects conspiracy.
Suspicions even on small details can make him break up relation with people.
May fall victim to sycophancy.
Allies with people that treat him better.
or
Fi (Leading):
Conservative in its feelings.
Irritated by people who don’t agree with their evaluations.
Keeps most evaluations inside.
Doesn’t forgive easily. Liar forever.
Challenging their assessments is useless, somethings are simply good or bad.
Sometimes misunderstood because of their personal ethics.
Te:
Easily believes in facts and figures, can turn a deaf ear to everything else.
Suggestible by the external order of things.
Might get into the army.
Reacts sensitively to social changes.
Moves towards highest order.
Important that the environment is always organized in accordance to rules and laws that he is accustomed to.
Must not contradict the facts of objective reality.
Important to know your role and actions.
This means that.
Doesn’t need understanding, just what to do.
Doesn’t like those who destroy the norms of behavior. Like break the chain of command.
Can fall victim to scams that fools the eyes. (hand movement tricks)
for IP:
Si (Leading):
Considers themselves experts in comfort.
Looks for sensory pleasures in life.
Very confident about health issues, even above doctors.
Very difficult to give up sensory pleasures, smoke-alchohol-gluttony.
Conservative tastes. Critical of cooking.
Easily talk about their illness and inner workings.
Very attentive to sensory experiences.
Confident in his invulnerability and reliability.
What his senses and feelings are telling are irrefutable.
Fuss a lot about convenience but as a conversation matter.
Wants to maintain balance.
Prefers to be observer to the observed.
Ne:
Strives to be in an environment with external stability, harmony in the flow of things and positive atmosphere.
According to this, he builds his personal life and work.
Inspired by bold innovative ideas, can get involved with unexpected, original proposals.
Likes good atmosphere like holidays or carnavals.
They absord the atmosphere, and try to reproduce it.
Looks for people who believe in a positive future.
Do not like unexpected. Wants general course of action.
Difficulty in seeing options, can make him difficult to leave a situation.
or
Ni (Leading):
Considers himself ideological, consistent, principled and is conservative in this.
Irritated by those who criticize his ideas.
Sees through things, inner essence of things and people.
Romantic and idealist, lives by harmony, tranquility, serenity.
Draw inspiration from within, annoyed if disturbed.
Doesn’t like people looking inside him.
Wants to be inwardly calm all the time.
Takes form of consciousness that is best fitted for the situation.
Not playing a role, guided by inner wholeness. Multifaceted.
Presenting versions of himself.
Ajust to peoples mood.
If perceive threat, hide like a chameleon.
Doesn’t like restless, internally discordant individuals. Sensible to others states. Absorb them.
Sometimes run away from girls who want his inner peace.
Shares inner peace only with close friends.
With close ones, like to critic and get angry. Not in public or with strangers.
Se:
Strives to be in an environment where there is greatest strength, wealth, success, reliability,
suggestable by the external form, appearance.
Try to live a beautiful life, at anycost.
Wants to be in the winning side.
Often attracted to strong people.
Easily put into an optimistic state if shaken up.
Want to climb up be any means.
Easily suggestible by force.
May act cold and distant, aloof to not attract problems.
Action, active work and turbulent life can make him “plugged in”, sort of very involved.
Doesn’t take offence easily.
May try to use force, or challenge people to see their force.
First of all, remember that this character is usually a teacher at a school. The drug lord mood he gets into is not his natural state.
We should type him with what he needs to conserve his self-estime.
I believe that he needs to love someone. Also, I think he needs people that see a bright future ahead.
With all that, I'd say SLI.
What do you think? (do you guys like my notes?)
Last edited by Destroypuppy; 09-16-2013 at 10:48 PM.
oups..
sorry
I do, for some reason.
i did at first but its become harder. i end up wanting him to pull through and not get caught because of the momentum and suspense during the show when i'm caught up in the action and the music or whatever and its like at odds with the fact that i think he sucks. i heard a theory that the audience is supposed to root more for jesse, idk about that, but i find jesse to be a more sympathetic character even if he does shitty things too.
(i just finished the second season last night)
Wonder which character are you all going to marry.
Okay.
EDIT: Hmm, going to see what the fuss is all about and lul, maybe. Keep your fingers crossed. Sucking it right now...
Last edited by Absurd; 09-20-2013 at 05:24 PM.
i'm not rooting for Walt anymore - that stopped a few seasons ago.
the collateral damage caused by his actions have rendered him unredeemable at this point, imo. he's affected too many lives too deeply to ever "go back".
in a way, i do feel for him because despite everything he's done, i still don't think he's truly "bad" deep down. but he is massively self-delusional in that he can rationalize away his actions no matter what the consequences. the pain & destruction he's caused are just too much.
i hope this isn't vaguely spoiler-y.
Not at all at this point. Hard to explain why without spoiling anything, so I'll just say that he's made too many terrible decisions and burned too many bridges for him to be really redeemed.
rofl E5s
I still root for Walter but these last episodes it's getting harder but you know deep down he's a good guy he just makes the wrong decisions like...all the time. If anything happens to Jesse I swear I'm going to cry. Like legit, cry.
Have you seen the latest one? Omg...
I think we're supposed to wish Walter dead. It seems to me that a large point of the show is how a sympathetic character can turn into a villain, a good guy into a bad guy.
My son's dad doesn't like that I let him watch it since it's rated M, but I see the show as more anti-drug use than anything. It also shows what I slippery slope criminal activity can be.
I tell ya what though, I hate Marie at least as much as Walter! Marie is the worst character on the whole show, and imo always has been.
I do think the audience is supposed to root for Jesse. I know I do! Sometimes he's an idiot, but he's the most likeable character. The actor who plays him is phenomenal, and it really says something that he stands out among an entire cast of amazing actors and actresses.
She's just as pushy and demeaning as Skylar ever was, but she doesn't have Skylar's intelligence, rationality, and logic going for her. I would hate to meet their mother!
You've got to be kidding.
Compared to Marie, definitely. And more so in later seasons, of course. I'm not saying she's right or likeable, just that she's got clear reasons for what she says and does, and they make sense (even if she does get too dramatic and demanding). And she clearly has plenty of business sense.
Last edited by Joy; 09-25-2013 at 07:57 AM.
Whether she's likable or not has no bearing on anything - nice attempt to pretend that's what I was basing my reaction on. She doesn't make intelligent, rational, logical decisions. She makes really retarded emotionally-driven decisions. Yes, she can add numbers, but that's about it.
Marie sucks. The only time I really liked Skylar was when she was being slutty.. Now I just wish the least harm for her. And Ive never been able to get with Jesse mentally. I feel bad for him but I don't identify with him as a character. Actually I dont identify with anyone in the series, but I simultaneously am praying for good outcomes for all of them.. even the white supremacists. Then again Im an idealist.
I like Marie.
I didn't like Marie. I've said it before, the only scene I thought she was tolerable and made a good point was the scene with the talking pillow in the first season where she stuck up for Walter. I was watching a cast interview once where even the actress who played Marie said her favorite scene in the whole series was the Talking Pillow scene. Although she didn't say she liked it for the same reasons I did, lol.
i just watched the episode last night (i'm still far behind) where hank was in the hospital and she was going off blaming everyone. and even though she was behaving "badly" i still found it endearing. like she was a mama bear taking a stand for her loved one. she might actually be one of my favorite characters.
Walt: ILI-Te 5w6
Jesse: SEI-Fe 6w7
Skyler: ESI-Fi 1w9
Flynn: Teenager
Hank: SLE-Se 8w7
Marie: IEE-Fi 2w1
Elliot: LII-Ne 5w6
Gretchen: IEI-Fe 4w3
Jane: ILI-Ni 4w5
Jane's father: LIE-Te 1w2
Tuco: SEE-Se 7w8 (possibly 8w7)
Hector: SLE-Se 7w8
Krazy-8: SEE-Fi (3w2 or 6w7)
Gus: LII or IEI (appears IJ and Ni but not LSI) 3w4
Saul: ILE-Ne 3w4
Huell: SLI-Si 9w8 (aka 'Garfield' as a person)
Mike: LSI-Ti 6w5
Gale: EII-Ne 5w4
Badger: Alpha stoner
Skinny Pete: Alpha stoner
Todd: IEI-Fe 9w1
Uncle Jack: SLE-Ti 8w7
Ted: LIE-Te 7w6
Gomez: LSI-Se 6w7
bumped b/c you people can't type. sticking to relevant characters.
walt - ILI-Te 6w5 sx/so ... completely unhinged and committed to the "principle" of his cause
jesse - SEE-Se 6w7 sx/so (actor is IEI-Fe) ... duality is kind of, the premise of their dynamic?
skyler - ESI-Fi 1w2 sp/so (annoying cause an LSE is playing an ESI)
hank - Te-LSE 6w7 sx/sp ... as likeable as a cop can be, I was glad when he got shot
marie - IEE-Fi ... and an invasive, annoying bitch
saul - ILE-Ti 7w6 so/sx ... authentically 'playing by the rules' in the rightfully corrupt way
mike - LSI-Ti 6w5 sp/sx ... standard beta criminal imo
gus - not entirely certain... EII or ILI (I lean the latter just b/c of gamma features) 1w9 sp/so
todd - IEE-Fi 6w7 sp/sx ... and a complete sociopath
lydia - SLE-Ti 3w4 sx/sp
uncle jack - SLE-Se 7w8 sx/sp ... a nice embodiment of a proper criminal code
gale - a frenzied, intellectual SEI-Fe ... probably 6w7 so/sx
tuco - SLE-Se 8w7 sx/so ... and absolutely insane
jesse's first gf - IEI-Ni 4w5
4w3-5w6-8w7
i still haven't watched the last 1.5 episodes. even though the only reason i stuck through it even when i was bored as hell in season 3 is everybody said the ending was so amazing. but since i'm late i have most of it spoiled anyways. i finally understand the hate for marie though, lol.
hmm i think i like this
i never typed her but i don't think this would ever cross my mind..is it typical for an SLE to be so prissy?lydia - SLE-Ti 3w4 sx/sp
I'd have to VI the actress to rule out collateral info... but it's not too uncommon for more affluent female SLE 3s to have that kind of tensed, scattered insistence... you could write it off as delta decorum, but that's more ethically prissy and delicate... when she asks for more of something that first time at the restaurant, it's a kind of tasteless imposition, but one without any implied self-importance. Also, her corruption is impersonal and objective, and not in the creepily detached Fi/Te way... her little spaz out about the potential snitching at that point struck me as something more than operational speculation...there was a kind of obsessiveness about it that struck me as more e3 competency and Ni-seeking than a delta NF getting tactically flustered based on whatever preconceived value things were supposed to have, or a gamma SF 'losing it' in the way Jesse does. Just my impressions
4w3-5w6-8w7
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