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    A realistic observation from the ISFJ Dreiser


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    ESFP Napoleon




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    From this song, I thought that Solomon Burke was ESI.



    But no, he's SEE.


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    Stephen Flowers/Edred Thorsson - INTP Balzac

    What good is a book that does not even transport us beyond all books?

    ~Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by karas View Post
    KHCS GAMA SF

    Sounds more like really narcissistic and annoying ESEs.

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    Joey Merlino. Crime boss LIE Te sub






    https://youtu.be/z_QcQUCQJ-E

    Can't embed videos on my phone for some reason
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    Rick Rubin - SEE

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    Huey Long, governor of Louisiana -- SEE



    His wife's type I'm less sure of, but from a biography I'm reading of Huey, ILI seems possible. People experienced in VI feel free to weigh in:


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    Emily Colang - SEE Harmonizing


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    Quote Originally Posted by khcs View Post
    A realistic observation from the ISFJ Dreiser

    That's something people who don't happen to care about something can easily say.

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    Ignatius from A Confederacy of Dunces is a parody of an ILI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 717495 View Post
    Tim Burton seems Beta introvert, INFp perhaps. That would make Depp his benefactor, which makes sense. I'm pretty sure Johnny Depp is Se-ISFj.
    I'm not sure on Depp, but his kid seems ESI.

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    ESI-LIE Dual

    ESI Sopiko Guramishvili
    Georgian International Chess Master and Women Grandmaster Chess Player



    LIE Anish Giri
    Chess Grandmaster and Number One Dutch Chess Player, Internet Streamer



    They have been married for 5 years, they met at an international chess tournament in Europe. She is 4 years older than him and they have a very cute son. She seems to manage the house duties. Chess king and queen power couple.

    @Adam Strange Sorry for ping, but. Do you have thoughts? I am not sure about my ESI typings lol
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    Rudy Giuliani - SEE

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...79426516881409

    people of the same kind stick together. my intuition tells me that covid might be a bit more devastating for him than for trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dead account View Post
    Rudy Giuliani - SEE
    I'm inclined to agree for Guiliani, though I think Trump is SLE.
    What good is a book that does not even transport us beyond all books?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    I'm inclined to agree for Guiliani, though I think Trump is SLE.
    I feel like, after discussing his type with gulenko's team, that I'm convinced he's an SEE. they also convinced me that Elon Musk is an LSI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dead account View Post
    I feel like, after discussing his type with gulenko's team, that I'm convinced he's an SEE. they also convinced me that Elon Musk is an LSI.
    I feel like Gulenko's arguments for him being SEE are overly based on quadra progression, which imo should not be used to type people.

    I'm talking about the arguments in this video:



    I don't know what he and his team said when you spoke with them, though.

    I just feel like Trump must have strong logic since he attempts to curtail the system by exploiting legal loopholes and so forth. This is the argument Jack gives in favor of him being SLE, and I feel it makes sense. It's actually what Expat/Peter Bartl argued in his analysis of Trump being SLE.

    Not sure about Elon. I haven't studied him enough, personally.
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    I had so many discussions about his type, I don't really feel like doing another one right now.

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    typed Gamma NT by former forum owner Ashton who was himself LIE


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    some soccer players who I think are ESI

    Sergio Ramos ESI-D

    Sergio Ramos.png

    Robert Lewandowski - ESI-D



    Marco Reus - ESI-C



    Toni Kroos - ESI-C




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    Rob Bell (TV presenter) - LIE

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    Georges Perec - ILI (changed my mind to IEI)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dead account View Post
    So whatever you type him, one is going to have to account for the introverted intuition, plenty of it, found in these quotes:

    “As the hours, the days, the weeks, the seasons slip by, you detach yourself from everything. You discover, with something that sometimes almost resembles exhilaration, that you are free. That nothing is weighing you down, nothing pleases or displeases you. You find, in this life exempt from wear and tear and with no thrill in it other than these suspended moments, in almost perfect happiness, fascinating, occasionally swollen by new emotions. You are living in a blessed parenthesis, in a vacuum full of promise, and from which you expect nothing. You are invisible, limpid, transparent. You no longer exist. Across the passing hours, the succession of days, the procession of the seasons, the flow of time, you survive without joy and without sadness. Without a future and without a past. Just like that: simply, self evidently, like a drop of water forming on a drinking tap on a landing.”
    Georges Perec, Things: A Story of the Sixties; A Man Asleep

    “What we need to question is bricks, concrete, glass, our table manners, our utensils, our tools, the way we spend our time, our rhythms. To question that which seems to have ceased forever to astonish us. We live, true, we breathe, true; we walk, we go downstairs, we sit at a table in order to eat, we lie down on a bed on order to sleep. How? Where? When? Why?

    Describe your street. Describe another. Compare.”
    Georges Perec, L'infra-ordinaire

    “The idea occurred to him when he was twenty. At first it was only a vague idea, a question looming — what should I do? — with an answer taking shape: nothing.”
    George Perec

    “This is how space begins, with words only, signs traced on the blank page. To describe space: to name it, to trace it, like those portolano-makers who saturated the coastlines with the names of harbours, the names of capes, the names of inlets, until in the end the land was only separated from the sea by a continuous ribbon of text. Is the aleph, that place in Borges from which the entire world is visible simultaneously, anything other than an alphabet?”
    Georges Perec, Species of Spaces and Other Pieces

    “To want nothing. Just to wait, until there is nothing left to wait for. Just to wander, and to sleep. To let yourself be carried along by the crowds, and the streets. To follow the gutters, the fences, the water’s edge. To walk the length of the embankments, to hug the walls. To waste your time. To have no projects, to feel no impatience. To be without desire, or resentment, or revolt.”
    Georges Perec, Things: A Story of the Sixties; A Man Asleep

    “From this, one can make a deduction which is quite certainly the ultimate truth of jigsaw puzzles: despite appearances, puzzling is not a solitary game: every move the puzzler makes, the puzzlemaker has made before; every piece the puzzler picks up, and picks up again, and studies and strokes, every combination he tries, and tries a second time, every blunder and every insight, each hope and each discouragement have all been designed, calculated, and decided by the other.”
    Georges Perec, Life: A User's Manual

    “What a marvellous invention man is! He can blow on his hands to warm them up, and blow on his soup to cool it down.”
    Georges Perec, Things: A Story of the Sixties; A Man Asleep

    “A gap will yawn, achingly, day by day, it will turn into a colossal pit, an abyss without foundation, a gradual invasion of words by margins, blank and insignificant, so that all of us, to a man, will find nothing to say.”
    Georges Perec, A Void

    “It is on a day like this one, a little later, a little earlier, that you discover, without surprise, that something is wrong, that, without mincing words, you don't know how to live, that you will never know."

    -from "A Man Asleep”
    Georges Perec, Things: A Story of the Sixties; A Man Asleep

    “You will never stop seeing yourself. You can do nothing, you cannot escape yourself, you cannot escape your own gaze, you never will be able to: even if you were to fall into a sleep so deep that no shock, no shout, no burning pain could rouse you, there would still be this eye, your eye, that will never close, that will never sleep.

    You see yourself, you see yourself seeing yourself, you watch yourself watching yourself. Even if you were to wake up, your vision would remain the same, immutable. Even if you managed to grow thousands, billions of extra eyelids, there would still be this eye, behind, which would see you. You are not asleep but sleep will never come again. You are not awake and you will never wake up. You are not dead and even death could never set you free."

    -from "A Man Asleep”
    Georges Perec, Things: A Story of the Sixties; A Man Asleep

    “People who choose to earn money first, people who put off their real plans until later, until they are rich, are not necessarily wrong. People who want only to live, and who reckon living is absolute freedom, the exclusive pursuit of happiness, the sole satisfaction of their desires and instincts, the immediate enjoyment of the boundless riches of the world [...] such people will always be unhappy. It is true [...] that there are people for whom this kind of dilemma does not arise, or hardly arises, either because they are too poor and have no requirements beyond a slightly better diet, slightly better housing, slightly less work, or because they are too rich, from the start, to understand the import or even the meaning of such a distinction. But nowadays and in our part of the world, more and more people are neither rich nor poor: they dream of wealth, and could become wealthy; and that is where their misfortunes begin."

    -from "Things: A Story of the Sixties”
    Georges Perec, Things: A Story of the Sixties; A Man Asleep

    “Like the librarians of Babel in Borges’s story, who are looking for the book that will provide them with the key to all the others, we oscillate between the illusion of perfection and the vertigo of the unattainable. In the name of completeness, we would like to believe that a unique order exists that would enable us to accede in knowledge all in one go; in the name of the unattainable, we would like to think that order and disorder are in fact the same word, denoting pure chance.
    It’s possible also that both are decoys, illusions intended to disguise the erosion of both books and systems. It is no bad thing in any case that between the two our bookshelves should serve from time to time as joggers of the memory, as cat-rests and as lumber-rooms.”
    Georges Perec, Species of Spaces and Other Pieces

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    Quote Originally Posted by dead account View Post
    IEI-C imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by qaz00 View Post
    IEI-C imo
    I thought about that possibility. Ni base seems very clear. I might try to read more about him in the next few days, maybe watch more interviews. I think he had accentuated introverted functions, though. normalising subtype makes more sense to me. un homme qui dort feels like a potrait of an INxx type.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Surreal View Post
    @COVID 007
    Can you please elaborate? I have a hard time seeing democratic/aristocratic styles in this video.
    Also, I don't think LIEs are the only type that can do business, and I'm not doubting her abilities as an entrepreneur. Her business sounds extremely unique and profitable, and Limor is very intelligent. Also, I know I'm using heuristics, but she just comes across more as an IEE maniac pixie dream girl rather than a logically rigid and vision-oriented businesswoman.
    @nanashi
    Alpha: "be like everyone else, but don't fight for status"
    Ne/Si > To achieve all human potentialities through a safe and comfortable environment
    Ti/Fe >Making judgements using a collectivistic framework grounded in abstract universal principles

    Beta: "be like everyone else, but be better than others"
    Ni/Se > To achieve a singular idealistic vision through power and force
    Ti/Fe >Making judgements using a collectivistic framework grounded in abstract universal principles

    Gamma: "be yourself, but be better than others"
    Te/Fi > Making judgements using an individualistic framework, emphasizing the optimization of desirable results for each individual
    Ni/Se > To achieve a singular idealistic vision through power and force

    Delta: "be yourself, but don't fight for status'
    Ne/Si > To achieve all human potentialities through a safe and comfortable environment
    Te/Fi > Making judgements using an individualistic framework, emphasizing the optimization of desirable results for each individual

    Because of the Se/Ni orientation, I generally think of gammas as taking an individualistic approach in order to acquire status and achieve their dreams. Se/Ni valuers generally see the world as hierarchical like a zero sum game, while Fi/Te valuers focus on individuals instead of the collective. This leads to a worldview that emphasizes achieving personal goals instead of collective ones. Of course, gammas have people that they care about, but it's generally reserved for loved ones, and people close to them.
    I can't speak for other gamma, but as an ILI, I don't care about status. What I care about is freedom, to be free to do anything I want without chains in my neck. If I ever seek money or profit, It's because I need more resource, which give me more choices (more freedom) to deal with my own problems or to get what I want. I don't need to be better than others, getting what I want is more important. Other people are just... irrelevant, I don't care shit about them, why do I have to compare myself to them?

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    Eren Jaeger SEE-C EVLF 8w7 So/Sx. Single minded determination to be free, to crush anyone in the way of his goal. His subjective morality seems sociopathic to others, but actually flows clearly and makes sense according to the circumstances of his existence. Kill or be killed, freedom though strength of will, kill the whole world if necessary... the other half of Ymir, pretty much the equivalent of the mythical fire giant Surtr.. harbinger of Ragnarok

    one of the most excellent and relatable/understandable villains in anime imo.

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    Beatrice Kiddo ESI vs Vernita Green SEE. Perhaps one of the most notorious mirror rivalries but Gamma SFs fight dirty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Consilience View Post
    some people say he is an LII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moharu View Post
    some people say he is an LII.
    some people say the earth is flat

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    Quote Originally Posted by dead account View Post
    some people say the earth is flat
    Or maybe the entire universe is flat? Our senses just trick us this world is 3d!

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    Carlos Rodríguez Santiago aka "ocelote" SEE-C, from wow PvP player to one of the best first LoL mid laners to CEO and owner of G2 Esports.. this usually does not happen, for a player to become someone who is capable of successfully creating a company from scratch and successfully managing it in just a few years to go and win where his competition failed be4..




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    Quote Originally Posted by dead account View Post
    some soccer players who I think are ESI

    Sergio Ramos ESI-D

    Sergio Ramos.png

    Robert Lewandowski - ESI-D



    Marco Reus - ESI-C



    Toni Kroos - ESI-C



    Lewandowski seems like someone I'd find myself surprisingly comfortable around

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comatose Zaniac 007 View Post
    Why? I think result rational extroverts are prone to this sort of verbal diarrhea (ESE and LIE also ESI and LII sees that as positive quality). Just ask @nanashi. She is pioneering around engineering and delivery while not being cheap (another point against process types) I think LIE fits. Original Lady Ada was probably ILE or ILI.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace
    Literally imagine her as a dude. Listen. She speaks in a way that is super fucking 'here are all the Te fittings.'
    seriouss and communicative. She just acts like a work obsessed Fi craving geek. Imagine fe or fi. Which does this 'guy' want? Pink hair and having the extroverted preference and reasoning capacity to prefer synergy with other humans over misanthropy doesnt make someone not a LIE. You dye you hair, are accidentally female, and understand basic vocal modulation and people presume you give a shit about Ne and Si. 4D Ne is an LIE and EIE thing. This woman wants you to get the Te shit about what she is saying more than some Fe stuff. Ne is easy for her. Doesnt make it valued. And a should like she used but in the way she used it does sound more 1D than 3D. LIE works fine for her.

    And some people like the way we talk. Vortical syn isnt an unwelcome torrent to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moharu View Post
    I can't speak for other gamma, but as an ILI, I don't care about status. What I care about is freedom, to be free to do anything I want without chains in my neck. If I ever seek money or profit, It's because I need more resource, which give me more choices (more freedom) to deal with my own problems or to get what I want. I don't need to be better than others, getting what I want is more important. Other people are just... irrelevant, I don't care shit about them, why do I have to compare myself to them?
    That woman and i ..and LIE often crave innovation and testing ourselves through weird physical world feats. Def not delta 'comfy'. I feel distressed in that world and alive on motorcycles, skiing fast, flinging myself into work, biking in thunderstorms..blahblahblahblah.

    And enough of this tired untrue gamma selfish and arrogant stereotype. Gammas literally defined by prediliction for selfsacrifc for greater good. Mm'kuh? Mm'kuh.

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    Haha. Same convos on forum so often over years. Oops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moharu View Post
    If I ever seek money or profit, It's because I need more resource, which give me more choices (more freedom) to deal with my own problems
    Choices, possibilities. This is Ne.
    Money and property for ILI are suggestive region. They like to have money, same as costy things. Se seems is not your value.

    > I don't need to be better than others

    To be stronger gives more possibilities. The state of others is a reference. Also, when you are stronger than others you may lead them, including for your tasks.

    > Other people are just... irrelevant, I don't care shit about them

    This reminds nonvalued Fi.
    You live among people and your state depends from them. You cooperate with them, get their care about you, get their help. You need to care about other people to get that and to make your environment better.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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