Thread discussing various serial killers.
Starting with: Ted Bundy
Thread discussing various serial killers.
Starting with: Ted Bundy
Ted Bundy: ENTP
Fritz Haarmann ENTJ
Fritz Haarmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Stacey Castor ISFJ
Son of Sam (David Berkowitz) ISFJ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Berkowitz
Aileen Wuornos ESFP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Wuornos
Edmund Kemper ESTJ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Kemper
The two canadian mass murderers: Bernardo + Homolka
He is ISTP and she is ENFP ( and )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo
Last edited by Empire; 08-06-2010 at 08:35 PM.
H. H. Holmes. One of America's first documented serial killers.
Technically these aren't all serial killers, but I think they've all earned their place alongside one another. Also, haha@how many Betas I have in this (totally unintentional). Maybe you guys really are fucked up. What the hell's wrong with you?
Ted Bundy (Se-ESTp)
Charles Manson (Se-ISTj)
Susan Atkins (Se-ESTp)
John Wayne Gacy (?-ESTp)
Jeffrey Dahmer (Ti-ISTj)
George Sodini (Se-ISTj)
Ed Gein (Ni-INFp)
Jim Jones (?-ESTp)
Paul Bernardo (Fe-INFp) & Karla Homolka (Ti-ESTp)
Scott Peterson (Te-ISTp)
O. J. Simpson (Te-ESTj)
Chris Benoit (Te-ESTj)
Democidal Overlords and Other Murderous Ideologues
Adolf ****** (Ni-ENFj)
Saddam Hussein (Ni-ENFj)
Ruhollah Khomeini (Ni-ENFj)
Kemal Ataturk (Ni-ENFj)
Fidel Castro (Ni-ENFj)
Pol Pot (?-ENFj)
Josef Stalin (β-XXXj)
Che Guevara (Se-ISTj)
Josef Goebbels (?-ISTj)
Mao Zedong (?-ISTj)
Benito Mussolini (Se-ESTp)
Vladimir Lenin (Ti-ESTp)
Lavrenty Beria (Ti-ESTp)
Idi Amin (?-ESTp)
Josef Broz Tito (?-ESTp)
Osama bin Laden (Fe-INFp)
Barack Obama (Fi-ISFj)
Last edited by mfckr; 06-15-2011 at 07:10 AM.
Alpha:
John Wayne Gacy – ESE (-Fe sp/sx 3w2) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC7AqDq6zUA
Charles Albright – ESE (7w8 so/sx) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Wm59EPUXg
Dr Harold Shipman - LII (5w6 sx/sp) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-KVuVjmjmU
Issei Sagawa – LII (-Ti sp/sx) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BosZxa1bYcE
Beta:
Andrei Chikatilo (Андрей Чикатило) – LSI (-Se sp/sx 3w2) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xABKVggE4SU
Katherine Knight – LSI (-Se 9w8 sp/sx) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPW3eLWiBnA
Charles Manson – LSI (-Se 6w7 sx/so) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhQI47DFsWU
John Hughes – LSI (-Se so/sx) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGVqnfnZaIg
Allan Legere - LSI (-Se sx/so) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqiToWeO3FM
Ted Bundy – SLE (-Se so/sp 3w4) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwyIOmjvvd8
Richard Kuklinski – SLE (-Se sp/sx 8w9) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmY3qhlCshY
Danny Rolling – SLE (-Se 6w7) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tjGcO_-c9Q
Ariel Castro – SLE (-Se 9w8 sp/sx) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLObkZTi5TM
Arthur Shawcross – SLE (-Ti e6 sp/so) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQNwjEkszvg
Richard Ramirez – IEI (-Ni sx/so) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4u2F1lh6Fc
Gamma:
Ed Gein – SEE/ESI (-Fi, sp/sx) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e09HkMY_8cM
David Berkowitz - SEE (sx/sp 3w2) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPF3fuICqhM
Delta:
Luis Garavito – LSE (7w8) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjb774w3FPM
David Parker Ray – LSE (-Si sp/sx) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saLtAUqX5BU
O. J. Simpson – LSE (3w4) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG5CPhGoT3M
Dennis Rader (BTK) – SLI (-Te 6w5 sp/sx) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvWOje46Xp8
Mihail Popkov (Михаил Попков) – SLI (-Si so/sp) – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-remains.html
Gary Ridgway – 9w8 sx/sp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuokSat3y6o
Not really a serial killer, still a case of interest: Armin Meiwes – LSI (-Ti sx-last 3) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym6TWmXw_fE
The types that seems to be frequently found among serial killers are Beta STs followed by Delta STs (so ST men in general) and type 3 in the enneagram, which given 3's emotional suppression, dynamic sense of identity, and inclination towards deceit at lower health levels is not that surprising.
Last edited by silke; 12-25-2019 at 04:39 PM.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev: SLE (Ti-ESTp) [Harmonizing subtype] (ESTp-INFp?)
I think Ashton once said that all serial killers and mass murderers are Betas.... Anyway, I don't know about his brother, yet Dzhokhar is probably a Beta Irrational (probably SLE). And he fits Keirsey's ESTP description really well. I think the ESTP descriptions from Please Understand Me II are better than Socionics ones.
im going to kill serial killers wearing a bulletproof chainmale body suit(for psychological purposes.) in a desert with nuclear weapons calmly drinking iced tea. mmmm iced tea and nukes..
Last edited by geneiouws; 07-26-2014 at 03:09 PM.
Henry Lee Lucas…LSI-Se
Dennis Rader…LSI-Ti
Jeffrey Dahmer….LII-Ne
Edmund Kemper…LII-Ne
Albert Fish…ILI-Te
Gary Ridgway…ILI-Ni
Kenneth Bianchi…IEE-Fi
Aileen Wuornos…LSE-Te
Carl Panzram….SLI-Si
Karla Homolka….SLI-Te
Pedro Filho…SLE-Se
Joanna Dennehy…SLE-Ti
Andrei Chikatilo…EIE-Fe
David Berkowitz….EIE-Ni
Last edited by Kill4Me; 09-15-2016 at 06:44 PM.
Gary Ridgway.... I might be wrong, but he seems more like ESI than ILI to me.
How can you type someone that has a personality disorder? Their personalities are whoever they want you to believe they are; they're actors.
Their eyes look hyper-aware. So externally focused- like a predator. Focused more on the pain of when they torture you then themselves. This is also what I've noticed with functional psychopaths- that don't want to risk their own skin to hurt others though deeply have the innate desire. I do believe something like 30-35% of the population is inherently sadistic. No faggy pretty bows. No heartfelt humanity will save you but instead make you a bigger mark. With these people, don't try to talk your way out of anything. Just be sure you have the bigger shovel and never get alone with them. In society they often will be well liked and appeared to be viewed as 'confident' but it's just a mask to desire their taste for blood. Or maybe they will be an outcast, but calm and polite.
When they look right at you they see everything about you, when you look at them you see nothing at all. Complete emptiness. They see a snack. The more empathetic and cuter the tastier and sweeter. Break the Cutie!
Jeffrey Dahmer was INFj btw not INTj.
Wut about Kuklinski?
"[Scapegrace,] I don't know how anyone can stand such a sinister and mean individual as you." - Maritsa Darmandzhyan
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Kuklinski: LSE
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Kuklinski discussion threads:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ski-The-Iceman
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1127059
Here is the original Serial Killers Thread:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Serial-Killers
I see Dahmer as IEI. The way he describes the psychology behind why he did what he did sounds very much like a perverse reaction of weak and valued against Role - basically, seeking to have complete control so he would not have to deal with others' needs (something he viewed as inherently stressful). That's assuming to some extent that he was being truthful, of course.
Dahmer probably was a sensor, going by his childhood family videos. He was really engaged in his physical surroundings, wanting to touch and feel everything, according to his father. Actually his crimes might have been a reaction to his growing intuition, he said himself around age 15 he started to have compulsive fantasies about kidnapping a hitchhiker, having his way with them. The fantasies would be burgeoning Ni and their content would reflect what Dahmer was familiar with, the concrete world. He also strangled many men and beat one to death without intending it, which points to his physical strength. He didn't seem outwardly violent, but I think this is a sign of what Jung describes as identification with the persona (superego), the id (shadow) becomes correspondingly unconscious and vicious, acted out in private.
A German example. Jürgen Bartsch?
Arthur Shawcross is perhaps SLE