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    Thread discussing various serial killers.

    Starting with: Ted Bundy

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    Ted Bundy: ENTP


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    Fritz Haarmann ENTJ

    Fritz Haarmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





    Stacey Castor ISFJ





    Son of Sam (David Berkowitz) ISFJ
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Berkowitz





    Aileen Wuornos ESFP
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Wuornos





    Edmund Kemper ESTJ
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Kemper




    The two canadian mass murderers: Bernardo + Homolka
    He is ISTP and she is ENFP ( and )
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo
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    H. H. Holmes. One of America's first documented serial killers.

    "The free man will ask neither what his country can do for him nor what he can do for his country." -- Milton Friedman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drommel View Post
    H. H. Holmes. One of America's first documented serial killers.

    ENTJ I would say.

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    Technically these aren't all serial killers, but I think they've all earned their place alongside one another. Also, haha@how many Betas I have in this (totally unintentional). Maybe you guys really are fucked up. What the hell's wrong with you?


    Ted Bundy (Se-ESTp)


    Charles Manson (Se-ISTj)


    Susan Atkins (Se-ESTp)


    John Wayne Gacy (?-ESTp)


    Jeffrey Dahmer (Ti-ISTj)


    George Sodini (Se-ISTj)


    Ed Gein (Ni-INFp)


    Jim Jones (?-ESTp)


    Paul Bernardo (Fe-INFp) & Karla Homolka (Ti-ESTp)


    Scott Peterson (Te-ISTp)


    O. J. Simpson (Te-ESTj)


    Chris Benoit (Te-ESTj)

    Democidal Overlords and Other Murderous Ideologues


    Adolf ****** (Ni-ENFj)


    Saddam Hussein (Ni-ENFj)


    Ruhollah Khomeini (Ni-ENFj)


    Kemal Ataturk (Ni-ENFj)


    Fidel Castro (Ni-ENFj)


    Pol Pot (?-ENFj)


    Josef Stalin (β-XXXj)


    Che Guevara (Se-ISTj)


    Josef Goebbels (?-ISTj)


    Mao Zedong (?-ISTj)


    Benito Mussolini (Se-ESTp)


    Vladimir Lenin (Ti-ESTp)


    Lavrenty Beria (Ti-ESTp)


    Idi Amin (?-ESTp)


    Josef Broz Tito (?-ESTp)


    Osama bin Laden (Fe-INFp)


    Barack Obama (Fi-ISFj)
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    2 and less 1 quadras - all, or almost all of serial killers. I strongly doubt about 4 quadra among them (phisical attack is common only in defence for 4)

    Democidal Overlords and Other Murderous Ideologues
    (for wich I have no version, I've passed)

    Adolf Hitler - ENFJ
    if Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini are here, then lets add Hirohito (ISTJ?)
    Saddam Hussein - ISTJ
    Pol Pot - ISTJ
    Josef Stalin - ISTJ
    Josef Goebbels - ENFJ?
    Mao Zedong - some beta, S is more probably there
    Benito Mussolini - ESTP?
    Vladimir Lenin - ESTP
    Lavrenty Beria - ESTP?
    another bolshevik "badman": Nikolay Yezhov - ENFJ(Николай Ежов - Google Search)
    Josef Broz Tito - ESTP?
    Osama bin Laden - ENFJ?
    GW Bush (ENFJ) should be here, but not Obama (ENFP)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton
    Also, haha@how many Betas I have in this (totally unintentional). Maybe you guys really are fucked up. What the hell's wrong with you?
    it's just... when you have such an undying sensitivity to the human condition that is endlessly oppressed and afflicted by a heartless society, the only recourse is to turn the tables a little to regain that blissful connection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    it's just... when you have such an undying sensitivity to the human condition that is endlessly oppressed and afflicted by a heartless society, the only recourse is to turn the tables a little to regain that blissful connection.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I haven't even read a page of this thread, but let me guess...

    They're all Beta, with a slight side of Alpha.
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    betas should be kept in zoos for children to stare and throw pop corn at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I haven't even read a page of this thread, but let me guess...

    They're all Beta, with a slight side of Alpha.
    All Beta with a slight side of Delta. And Barack Obama.

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    Richard Kuklinsky ?






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    This is a terrible thread; there are many reasons, both personal and emotional why people commit such crimes and to judge human beings like we do is just not right.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    This is a terrible thread; there are many reasons, both personal and emotional why people commit such crimes and to judge human beings like we do is just not right.
    What about when the Beta sturmtruppen thugs come kicking your door down and haul you off to the gulag? Then you won't feel such compassionate humanity for them. Then you will wish you had judged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    This is a terrible thread; there are many reasons, both personal and emotional why people commit such crimes and to judge human beings like we do is just not right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    What about when the Beta sturmtruppen thugs come kicking your door down and haul you off to the gulag? Then you won't feel such compassionate humanity for them. Then you will wish you had judged.
    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Richard Kuklinsky ?





    ISTj?
    "...Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't be ugly" (the Skin Horse)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaknet View Post
    ISTj?
    He murdered no less than 200 people.

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    ESTx for Kuklinski atm. Can't quite decode which of the two.

    He reminds me a little bit of a friend of mine, but I don't think they're the same type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    ESTx for Kuklinski atm.
    ESTj, the Nazi Mafia subtype.

    "The Nazi Mafia subtype is quite fond of raping women, reading Dalai Lama stuff, which he himself carved into two tablets when experiencing enlightenment on mount Zion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    All Beta with a slight side of Delta. And Barack Obama.
    Gotta give me some credit, I was pretty goddamn close.
    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    betas should be kept in zoos for children to stare and throw pop corn at.

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    Aren't y'all forgetting the most obvious one? Robespierre: LII.

    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    ESTj, the Nazi Mafia subtype.

    "The Nazi Mafia subtype is quite fond of raping women, reading Dalai Lama stuff, which he himself carved into two tablets when experiencing enlightenment on mount Zion."

    Quote taken from wikisocion: "LSE, the Nazi Mafia subtype."

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    How can one type a psychopath? They don't have normal human emotions. They are what you want them to be.

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    Psychopaths are closer to regular folk than you would like to think, and if everyone else has a type, they certainly do too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    How can one type a psychopath? They don't have normal human emotions. They are what you want them to be.
    they still process information in consistent ways, express distinct energy levels, etc.

    ironically enough, the two psychopaths I interacted with most recently, were my duals. such a lovely shame.


    also, serial killer ≠ psychopath in ANY CAPACITY. in fact, the majority of psychopaths don't even tend towards that end, the reasons being: generally high intelligence, pursuit of short-term satisfaction and entertainment, and emotional shallowness (most serial killers have deep-rooted shit that they are co-possessively imposing onto reality; psychopaths do not have the capacity to assess emotional reactions within a broader context, as information to them is neutral and immediate).
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    I thought she wasn't one after all?

    And what about the EIE, lol
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I feel like psychopaths would only be likely to be serial killers if they were VERY DEEPLY fucked up; they have a more direct instinct for pure self-preservation than normal humans. However I think they would be more likely to act out violently if directly threatened than normal humans, given the increased focus on self-preservation combined with lack of remorse and poor impulse control.

    Normal people, on the other hand, are much more likely to experience acute feelings of persecution, separation from society, deep emotional hurt, etc, and act out against humanity as a result.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Technically these aren't all serial killers, but I think they've all earned their place alongside one another. Also, haha@how many Betas I have in this (totally unintentional). Maybe you guys really are fucked up. What the hell's wrong with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I thought she wasn't one after all?

    And what about the EIE, lol
    well, there's a chance she isn't one -- I'm not exactly a good person to 'mimic.' but I can't really see what a sociopath would gain from dosing a younger guy and such... or perhaps the spell is already in effect.

    EIE was not sociopathic. just neurotic and in need of some sort of "affection." apparently absynth works wonders for younger guys.

    those two statements don't sound good out of context

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I feel like psychopaths would only be likely to be serial killers if they were VERY DEEPLY fucked up; they have a more direct instinct for pure self-preservation than normal humans. However I think they would be more likely to act out violently if directly threatened than normal humans, given the increased focus on self-preservation combined with lack of remorse and poor impulse control.

    Normal people, on the other hand, are much more likely to experience acute feelings of persecution, separation from society, deep emotional hurt, etc, and act out against humanity as a result.
    pretty much... if they were to assess the emotional chain behind a serial killer's fixation such as, say, mama "leaving town" when jeremiah was five, and consequently the most frequent family outing being a nightly trip to the barn for "dancing," as papa called it, which caused jeremiah to hop three miles to school every morning; so, jeremiah likes to "dance" with young boys he lures with his fancy tractor (as he still lives a few miles from the farm, with papa safe in his own "barn") as hogtied women of 40+ years sit on reined stallions that have been injected with adrenaline to watch (he wished mama could have seen how good of a dancer he was).

    well, he needs to "dance." the point is, the psychopath can't make these connections. they would probably shrug off the contorted emotional outpour associated with such a depiction as nothing more than quaint and entertaining, and move on lol..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veronica View Post
    More than judging trying to understand and in this case if possible preventing more is very oppose to judging! don't u think?
    No. I am Maritsa, and I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veronica
    Psychopaths cannot be understood in terms of antisocial rearing or development. They are simply morally depraved individuals who represent the "monsters" in our society. They are unstoppable and untreatable predators whose violence is planned, purposeful and emotionless. The violence continues until it reaches a plateau at age 50 or so, then tapers off.
    this is just the tip of the iceberg -- that entire article was facile and off the mark. you cannot be "morally depraved" if your genetic wiring rendered you incapable of ever being morally branded. they are "stoppable," they can be manipulated like anyone else, sometimes easier. and deliberation is not really a frequency.

    example: SLE psychopath comes to my work and confronts gilly. we quell the anger, he goes on a bullshit monologue about a brotherhood revolution of love and sobs over his obese redneck family, then says he's going to a place to tan and smoke. forty minutes later he's on the front porch with a katana sword.


    the categories are also flawed. psychopathy is psychopathy, not egocentricity and calculated charisma. comes in many forms, same tenor.
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    With that beauty once was yours?
    Perishable is the dew,
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    A different opinion on most of these:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post

    Ted Bundy (Se-ESTp)


    Charles Manson (ISFp)


    Susan Atkins (ESFp)


    John Wayne Gacy (ESFj)


    Jeffrey Dahmer (ISFj)


    George Sodini (ENFj)


    Ed Gein (ISFj)


    Jim Jones (?-ESTp)


    Paul Bernardo (INTp) & Karla Homolka (ESFp)


    Scott Peterson (ENTj)


    O. J. Simpson (ESFj)

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    A different opinion on most of these:
    What's your opinion ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veronica View Post
    why ?
    That was a joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    What's your opinion ?
    What do you mean? I wrote them in.

    Charles Manson ISFp
    OJ Simpson ESFj
    John Wayne Gacy ESFj
    Ted Bundy ESTp
    George Sodini ENFj
    Scott Peterson ENTj
    Paul Bernardo INTp Karla Holmolka ESFp
    Susan Atkins ESFp
    Jeffrey Dahmer ISFj
    Ed Gein ISFj

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    What do you mean? I wrote them in.

    Charles Manson ISFp
    OJ Simpson ESFj
    John Wayne Gacy ESFj
    Ted Bundy ESTp
    George Sodini ENFj
    Scott Peterson ENTj
    Paul Bernardo INTp Karla Holmolka ESFp
    Susan Atkins ESFp
    Jeffrey Dahmer ISFj
    Ed Gein ISFj
    Shit, sorry, I should stop drinking.

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    ISTj?
    LSE-logical subtype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    if Adolf ****** and Benito Mussolini are here, then lets add Hirohito (ISTJ?)
    AFAIK, Hirohito (who I think is INFj) wasn't an integral part of the regime which controlled WW2 Japan, but more of a passive figurehead. The Japanese government had essentially been taken over by its military in the early 1930s. I don't know too much about what their political-military chain of command was like during the war, but I think you'd likely have more insight in finding out who was calling the shots on Japan's war atrocities by typing members of the Japanese High Command like Gen. Hideki Tojo or Adm. Isoroku Yamamoto.

    GW Bush (ENFJ) should be here, but not Obama (ENFP)
    George W. Bush wasn't that bad; as far as American presidents go he was one of the better ones we've had. Not sure why people keep wanting to type him Beta when I think he makes for a pretty blatant Te-ESTj (oh right because all 'evil people' are β of course).

    The Obama addition was kind of a joke. He's an awful leader, but more of a narcissistic idealist/puppet as opposed to bloodthirsty zealot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    example: SLE psychopath comes to my work and confronts gilly. we quell the anger, he goes on a bullshit monologue about a brotherhood revolution of love and sobs over his obese redneck family, then says he's going to a place to tan and smoke. forty minutes later he's on the front porch with a katana sword.
    lmao
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
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    I would say INFP

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