Socionics and Handwriting

[machintruc]

Psychologists agree that we all have some pattern for handwriting.

Write naturally something. Whatever. But naturally, as you're taking notes, not as you're doing an exam.

For example :

- Rational types tend to write curves as they were lines (thus making lowercase A and E letters unreadable)
- Irrational types tend to write lines as they were curves

- Sensing types tend to write more Arial-like, especially
- Intuitive types tend to write more doctor-like, especially

and so on.

Any other ideas ??? It's a way to assess types... If you have some hesitations, mainly between J/P, you can type yourself just by reading your notes or writing something.

Already collected handwritings from :

- ESE
- ESI
- SEE
- SEI

- IEI
- IEE
- EIE
- EII

- SLE

- LII
- ILE
- LIE

missing : LSE, LSI, SLI, ILI

[Ezra]

I want to see some scientific evidence for this first.

[machintruc]

I want to see some scientific evidence for this first.

http://www.ennea.org/subscribe.html

Check out the sample issues. They include articles on handwriting.

[PotatoSpirit]

I'm somewhat curious about this, we could test it ourselves!
My handwriting looks like a kid's (c:

[cracka]

I've played tic-tac-toe against a chicken in Vegas, his lines were more straight than I could ever do. I only bring up this fact because my mother used to say I write like "chicken scratch" and now that I've seen a chicken actually write, I feel my handwriting is worse than I had initially thought.

[iAnnAu]

I've read three books on handwriting analysis and they seem to have about as much basis in studies as socionics or MBTI, etc ... one of the books specifically dealt with handwriting analysis (almost shortened it to HA but that might be misread here) for the purposes of criminal investigation.
There are points that strike me as too specific, such as forming "e"s a certain way means a certain thing about you ... but trends seem easier to pin correspondences to, such as how wide or narrow your left & right margins are (on unlined paper).
I like it as more of a fun thing - my friends & I have exchanged HW samples and taken turns seeing what the book says about each other. There were striking coincidences, but also things that didn't ring true either to the person in question or to the rest of us as observers of the PIQ.

I'd also like to rebut, since I saw somewhere else that SLI's supposedly have horrible handwriting, that mine is great. My Mom will actually save up cards in which she wants to send a handwritten note, so she can dictate them to me!
Another random tidbit that just occurred to me: my Dad, who LII, always writes in all caps ...

[tiny_dancer]

lol @ cracka

My ex, ISTp, wrote in tiny manuscript letters, rather spaced out. I'd actually describe his writing as 'kid-like' too. It was kind of cute, albeit painstaking
Waaaaay too slow for me. I can't stand writing in manuscript or all capitals. Mine's a mish-mash of cursive, and is pretty legible. My handwriting changes with my mood, too.

[Ezra]

http://www.ennea.org/subscribe.html

Check out the sample issues. They include articles on handwriting.

Mine was actually closest to the Four's style. Although it's hardly represented by any of them. My writing has differed greatly over the years, but it's always been relatively neat and tidy. Sometimes my 'n's and 'm's are jagged, but the 'y's, 'g's and 'j's are curved. I write small letters, and my joining up varies. Normally, the 't's, 'u's, 'w's, 'h's, 'e's and the 'o's are joined; the rest are written detached. I'll take a picture when my webcam arrives.

[machintruc]

Mine was actually closest to the Four's style. Although it's hardly represented by any of them. My writing has differed greatly over the years, but it's always been relatively neat and tidy. Sometimes my 'n's and 'm's are jagged, but the 'y's, 'g's and 'j's are curved. I write small letters, and my joining up varies. Normally, the 't's, 'u's, 'w's, 'h's, 'e's and the 'o's are joined; the rest are written detached. I'll take a picture when my webcam arrives.

If you wrote on having low energy levels AND having an E4-like handwriting, the possibility of being E4 should not be excluded.

[tereg]

I'd like to note that sometimes I'll cross through words like I did above, or I will make a box around the word and fill the box to cover the word up.

I was tempted to throw this away and start over because of it, but, it still gives a good indication of my handwriting.

Should I add my signature (or maybe some write something down where I don't feel like I'm trying too hard to be neat)?

[Joy]

I posted this a while ago.

[RBRS]

I will be expecting free typings. Crippled hand is not a valid one

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[thistle]

I will be expecting free typings. Crippled hand is not a valid one

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Sentences brisk make me think logical type. yet your letters change their slope as they go like mine do. Type status: loading

[Adam Strange]

@asd: Friendly, open, likes people.

[Adam Strange]

lol is this tongue-in-cheek...?

General slant of writing: Forward slant = friendly, likes people. Vertical slant = very logical. Backwards slant = wants to keep people at a distance.

Open loops = open to new experience.

Bonus:
Size of loops: Large loops = loves money. Small loops = conserves money.
Generally smooth and rounded writing = female personality. Sharp and angular strokes = male personality.
On cursive "I" (or in this case, "F", because I couldn't find an "I". Maybe lack of ego. Lol.) the size of the upper loop = mother oriented, size of lower loop = father oriented. So father-oriented, because the lower loop is outsized. (I might be misremembering this last bit and have it backwards.)

[Adam Strange]

interesting they say EII typically has sharp or angled handwriting in the article I posted.

I don't think sociotype correlates strongly to how one expresses oneself in handwriting art.

I've seen handwriting analysis used for identifying disturbed and criminal people.

[Adam Strange]

@one, logical female.

[Adam Strange]

interesting they say EII typically has sharp or angled handwriting in the article I posted.

I don't think sociotype correlates strongly to how one expresses oneself in handwriting art.

[The Reality Denialist]

My handwriting for those who would analyze correlation

Consistency, symmetry, packed, experimental, layout.
Introverted, logic, irrational.

[FreelancePoliceman]

I wrote two passages. The first is just Lorem Ipsum, writing while looking at the reference text. I made some effort at legibility/reproducing it correctly -- as you can see though, not enough so that it turned out particularly amazingly.

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The second I wrote at my usual pace, without looking at a reference text or anything.

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I'm curious if anyone's able to make anything from this!

[thistle]

I wrote two passages. The first is just Lorem Ipsum, writing while looking at the reference text. I made some effort at legibility/reproducing it correctly -- as you can see though, it didn't turn out amazingly.

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The second I wrote at my usual pace, without looking at a reference text or anything.

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I'm curious if anyone's able to make anything from this!

Tricky to glance over your shoulder and peek at what you're writing
It is very elegant script nonetheless. I like the tails on Ys and Gs. Do you prefer to jot notes in pencil rather than pen?

[FreelancePoliceman]

Tricky to glance over your shoulder and peek at what you're writing
It is very elegant script nonetheless. I like the tails on Ys and Gs. Do you prefer to jot notes in pencil rather than pen?

I'm (pleasantly) surprised you think it's elegant. I've always been told my handwriting was atrocious. I do prefer pencil; why do you ask?

[thistle]

I'm (pleasantly) surprised you think it's elegant. I've always been told my handwriting was atrocious. I do prefer pencil; why do you ask?

I asked because I prefer writing in ink, and scribbling out my errors to erasing them. It helps to retain my flow... once I start, I don't want to stop and put down my pen.

was also curious whether use of pencil could indicate less... rashness in a person? Keeps options open.

e. g. I am picturing a reminder note, tentative in 6H

[FreelancePoliceman]

I asked because I prefer writing in ink, and scribbling out my errors to erasing them. It helps to retain my flow... once I start, I don't want to stop and put down my pen.

was also curious whether use of pencil could indicate less... rashness in a person? Keeps options open.

e. g. I am picturing a reminder note, tentative in 6H

I think I prefer pencils because they're typically lighter and feel easier in my hands to write with than pens. Pens also often stain, or their ink can run dry, while it's more difficult to tell when they're close to running out of ink than it is to tell when a pencil is running short on graphite.

Since you gave someone else typing advice based on their handwriting, might I ask if you think my handwriting reveals anything about my personality?

[necrosebud]

I wrote two passages. The first is just Lorem Ipsum, writing while looking at the reference text. I made some effort at legibility/reproducing it correctly -- as you can see though, not enough so that it turned out particularly amazingly.

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The second I wrote at my usual pace, without looking at a reference text or anything.

handwriting2_2.jpg

I'm curious if anyone's able to make anything from this!

I am not versed at all in analyzing something like this and this is entirely guess for me but it...comes across as very constrained (shy/reclusive?) but at the same time somewhat impatient, forward thinking/imaginative

I might be completely off lol

[thistle]

@FreelancePoliceman your post was especially timely, because... there are dry pens at my desk that mingle with the decent ones - I forget to throw them away and just put them back instead

When I started writing my own note to share in this thread, my pen dried up one setence in and tore through my paper. let's just say it wasn't meant to be...

edit : second attempt
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[Aquamarine]

My handwriting tends to differ based on my mood or how tired I am, but this one seems the most consistent.

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[qaz00]

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[Dangerouslandsvape]

http://imgur.com/a/VufRyIp

Cursive and printed. I generally use cursive for any longer writing I do (assuming no one else has to read it). I too prefer the mighty pencil for printed writing. Sometimes I use one for cursive, but I've got some fountain pens that I usually grab.

[Alomoes]

Contact a handwriting pattern analyst.

[necrosebud]

[Riven]

I think your handwriting has kind of a balance between "incomprehensible" and "clearly readable"? Dunno how to explain this lol, it's not like I can't understand what you wrote, quite the contrary, the words are pretty clear, but my mind's first reaction when seeing it is thinking "I cannot read". It looks very cool imo, with a bunch of flourishes, and I like the pen you wore.

[necrosebud]

I think your handwriting has kind of a balance between "incomprehensible" and "clearly readable"? Dunno how to explain this lol, it's not like I can't understand what you wrote, quite the contrary, the words are pretty clear, but my mind's first reaction when seeing it is thinking "I cannot read".

That actually makes sense, I was wondering about something similar - but ofc my handwriting is legible to me but I wasn't sure if others saw it similarly

It looks very cool imo, with a bunch of flourishes, and I like the pen you wore.

Thank you!

[Riven]

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[The Banana King]

http://www.newsocionicsmodel.narod.ru/grapholog.html

This is really interesting, thanks for posting

So apparently ILE all write in huge letters (r? = 0.89) which is a reaaally high number compared to most correlations in there (+/-0.3 is large)
By this study and also the MBTI correlations I should most likely be LII by my writing truth is I write with tiny letters in order to save paper so I don't have to go and buy new notebooks that often lol
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The pic is all blurry because the letters are small, the lowercase ones are probably about a millimeter tall. This is my 'neat' font for taking notes btw lol. For notes that I intend to read in the future or maybe lend to someone. I also have a really neat font for birthday cards and other stuff which is slightly larger and more legible. And a 'messy' font which can only be read by myself (sometimes I can't even read it but I can guess the words). I can write almost as fast as talking speed in messy font so it's perfect for taking notes.
And also it looks blurry because I like to write in pencil cuz it saves even more space lol

[The Reality Denialist]

This is really interesting, thanks for posting

So apparently ILE all write in huge letters (r? = 0.89) which is a reaaally high number compared to most correlations in there (+/-0.3 is large)
By this study and also the MBTI correlations I should most likely be LII by my writing truth is I write with tiny letters in order to save paper so I don't have to go and buy new notebooks that often lol
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The pic is all blurry because the letters are small, the lowercase ones are probably about a millimeter tall. This is my 'neat' font for taking notes btw lol. For notes that I intend to read in the future or maybe lend to someone. I also have a really neat font for birthday cards and other stuff which is slightly larger and more legible. And a 'messy' font which can only be read by myself (sometimes I can't even read it but I can guess the words). I can write almost as fast as talking speed in messy font so it's perfect for taking notes.
And also it looks blurry because I like to write in pencil cuz it saves even more space lol

You should have seen my math assignments in uni. I usually consumed twice the amount of paper compared to regular peeps while still omitting "the dull stuff". My handwriting is really geared towards the philosophy: I write so I can remember and there is no need to check it later.

[The Banana King]

You should have seen my math assignments in uni. I usually consumed twice the amount of paper compared to regular peeps while still omitting "the dull stuff". My handwriting is really geared towards the philosophy: I write so I can remember and there is no need to check it later.

My philosophy is the same. Except I like to save as much space as possible hahaha. I omit the small details but I think general concepts are important to write in detail so I end up taking several pages of minuscule text in each class hahah. My memory kinda handles the rest. But without writing down notes it's harder for me to retain details.

My ILE buddy also used tons of paper for his math stuff. Since he was using so many notebooks he just started taking notes on his computer and a drawing tablet. Great solution imo for anybody with big letters.

[The Reality Denialist]

My philosophy is the same. Except I like to save as much space as possible hahaha. I omit the small details but I think general concepts are important to write in detail so I end up taking several pages of minuscule text in each class hahah. My memory kinda handles the rest. But without writing down notes it's harder for me to retain details.

My ILE buddy also used tons of paper for his math stuff. Since he was using so many notebooks he just started taking notes on his computer and a drawing tablet. Great solution imo for anybody with big letters.

Yeah, I have purchased a drawing tablet already.