Natalie Portman

[UDP]

I thought we had a thread on her already. Cannot find it via search. Oh well.

Any thoughts?

[xyz]

Ruiner of Padme

[UDP]

Ruiner?

[xyz]

Yeah I said it >:[

[UDP]

How do you ruin Padme as a charcter? I don't understand.

[Gilly]

How do you ruin Padme as a charcter? I don't understand.

By butchering half of the dialogue in the third movie (not like Hayden Christiansen nailed every line either).

[astralsilky]

I thought we had a thread on her already. Cannot find it via search. Oh well.



Any thoughts?

I see Ne and Fi; not sure which is dominant.

[Amber]

ILI or IEI

[Delilah]

ILE definitely.

[Sol]

ENFP

[Breather]

Why not XEI ?

[Disturbed]

LSI-Se.

She said something like she was judgmental and she used the words "a good person" a lot and she talked a lot about morality. And she V.I.s as an LSI-Se anyway.

[Disturbed]

She actually VIs just like an ILE-Ti. I was making my decision based solely upon one of her smiles and that she looked kind of like an aggressor in her eyes. But her moralism kind of points away from ILE-Ti.

[Disturbed]

In the video of her with Jimmy Fallon, she sounds like an ILE-Ti (in addition to V.Is like one in several photos I've seen of her), there is something distinctive about their voices (and it's not just sounding more asking than declaring and almost never having sentimental tones and when they do they sound different from those of SLE-Ti) just like there is with LIEs and LSIs (the variations of the 2 subtypes, the Se subtype doesn't sound as sentimental but both tend be among the soft spoken of all the types) and ESIs (and the variations between the 2 subtypes), so in addition to V.I. there is also Auditory Identification, although I guess it's not as reliable. She is an ILE-Ti, some of them are moralistic and want to be empathetic while others are psychopaths and wouldn't want it any other way.

She is unusually others-concerned, socially skilled, and sociable for the sake of socializing for an ILE-Ti, but she is one nonetheless.

[Lolita]

LII. She has Manipulative Fe where she can make any topic seem interesting and new (even if the topic is actually boring). Female LIIs try hard to appear more emotive than they really are and be witty and sociable when they know they’re being watched. However, privately, when they are around familiar people and they know it’s safe, they’ll be themselves and are detached.

[may]

My vote's for LSI.

[marooned]

IJ af. i thought mb LII in the past but was convinced about EII.

the mere suggestion that she is irrational... like good god. i must be off the charts irrational if this is an irrational. also, yes she DOES have 4d Ni, but two of those types are rationals.

oops my history of posts revealed i suspected EII even years ago lol. but whatever. it's a Ti/Fi lead vs role question on an XII.

[Stray Cat]

She's SLI

[LukaDoncic]

I think that Natalie Portman is an ESFP. She seems very reaction and outer feeling based, giving people motivation or empowerment and improvement to reach their life goals. Some ESFPs like to get people going or excited with their energy for constant activity and flirtatious negotiating and navigating the social-intellectual hierarchy.

I don't find it so beloved or psychic, but more average like folks may need that political gayness of spirit to help them feel more connected to reality.

I hate being pushed for more community involvement.

But hey, Star Wars was so dynamic and a trajectory psychotic window to burn heal and sky drive, it made me jump for the lightning step hyper fast crosshair of new computation for the graphics overhaul, where melodies and cheerleading gives the ghost a big fat hug!!

[LukaDoncic]

I think that Natalie Portman is an ESFP. She seems very reaction and outer feeling based, giving people motivation or empowerment and improvement to reach their life goals. Some ESFPs like to get people going or excited with their energy for constant activity and flirtatious negotiating and navigating the social-intellectual hierarchy.

I don't find it so beloved or psychic, but more average like folks may need that political gayness of spirit to help them feel more connected to reality.

I hate being pushed for more community involvement.

But hey, Star Wars was so dynamic and a trajectory psychotic window to burn heal and sky drive, it made me jump for the lightning step hyper fast crosshair of new computation for the graphics overhaul, where melodies and cheerleading gives the ghost a big fat hug!!

Lol, I need to write like this again. I keep saying this with my old posts.

[marooned]

how can you irrationals say these things? are you n00bs are you blind? good grief ppl! ESFP???? lol effing l. wtf. are you a moron???? WHAT SE?

if natalie portman is the dispenser of the 4D Se, god help us all.

now i will get into the gender bs. i get that men think she's hot. but that does NOT mean she is some sensor extraordinaire. get it through your heads. stop being so PATHETIC.

years ago i was at this winery where some annoying NF guy was all enamored with natalie portman and had named several wines after her. i thought he was the most pathetic idiot i'd ever seen. it's like okay, she's hot to you, GET OVER IT YOU IDIOT. talk about thinking w your dick.

[LukaDoncic]

how can you irrationals say these things? are you n00bs are you blind? good grief ppl! ESFP???? lol effing l. wtf. are you a moron???? WHAT SE?

No, she is Se. She is very programmed and dull witted. Her originality and Rainbow are sparsely populated.

[marooned]

No, she is Se. She is very programmed and dull witted. Her originality and Rainbow are sparsely populated.

and you live in rainbows, so whatever. you haven't seen Se if you think NP is the height of it.

[LukaDoncic]

and you live in rainbows, so whatever. you haven't seen Se if you think NP is the height of it.

Well, you caught up, initiating, mascot of dark aura sensitivity, I think the Ne quicksilver dimension warping Star Wars capsule of time machine synch is giggling like an angry George Lucas Psyduck.

George Lucas is Padme's opposite, INTJ. Lucas foresaw in the cloudy yet revelatory haze the brilliance and sweet outpouring of Star Wars mountain moving trick's cereal to INFP Bunny. At least I get to be between the 2.

[marooned]

Well, you caught up, initiating, mascot of dark aura sensitivity, I think the Ne quicksilver dimension warping Star Wars capsule of time machine synch is giggling like an angry George Lucas Psyduck.

George Lucas is Padme's opposite, INTJ. Lucas foresaw in the cloudy yet revelatory haze the brilliance and sweet outpouring of Star Wars mountain moving trick's cereal to INFP Bunny. At least I get to be between the 2.

lucas is an Si dom... you are LOST lol

[Disturbed]

I don't mean to sound angry because I'm not... I'm just speaking my mind and think other people are smarter than me, but it's a mystery to me how anyone could conclude she's an introvert, especially an LII. If you have seen the interview of her with Conan O'brien (i think it was about leon the professional) she appeared more energetic, talkative, outward oriented, focused on people, trying to understand them more than herself, and highly emotionally expressive than he did, and just about everyone's whose seen him thinks he's an extravert. She may seem more scholarly now that she's older, but when she was younger she clearly had a focus on other people and the outside world, i loved that she wasn't cold or gravely serious in any way (she's actually quite warm in interviews), she was not really all that introspective, insights about decisions to make or to hold off on and switch to something else for the time came easily to her, and she was only moderately inhibited at most (i don't like inhibition, so it's good that she was pretty uninhibited and even in later interviews she seems bubbly and focused on what the other person is saying, understanding it, replying in a way they makes sense for her conversation partner, all of which is good). Since she was an extravert as a child, and socionics types don't change throughout life, she's still an extravert and will always be an extravert (in the context of socionics and probably in the Five Factor Model).

She's also seems highly positivist and more open to new systems rather than saying they will or won't work quickly, so that seems to rule out LII. And she's happier than LII of either subtype tend to be and not as rigid as LII-Ti or gravely serious about ideology/principles like LII-Ti tend to be, but she's Ti/Fe valuing and seems intuitive (based upon how she seemed to see possibilities and the lesser known everywhere earlier in her life)... seems to be Alpha NT with some beta vibes (particularly in some of the movies she was in), and Auditory identifies and Visually identifies (particularly in videos) as ILE-Ti, so ILE-Ti is the best typing for her... how could anyone else miss it? She has an unusual number of E1 behaviors for ILE-Ti, so I can see where that makes other people think she's another type, but many ILE-Ti have E1 behaviors, while still being outwardly warm, especially with people who are pleasant to them.

The only other typings I could see whatsoever for her is LSI-Se and IEI, but she's an intellectual and an inventor (which makes IEI seem unlikely), outwardly more tolerant of others' opinions (or at least when she words things she always does it gently, and is like "I think [it's this]", rather than "It's this" and tries more new things and doesn't have that physical toughness (or need for it in others) or sentimentality in the ways that various LSI-Se and IEI tend to.

So I stand by my ILE-Ti typing of her.

I'm sorry for the redundancy.

[qaz00]

Ne ego... maybe N-ILE

[Father Freedom]

Yeah either LII or N-ILE.

[Marep]

ILE

[nifl]

seems IEE

[youfloweryourfeast]

I agree with ILE for her, she seems really sweet