Examples of Socionics Alpha types

[Ave]

Not sure about Yaron Brook. He seems logical and central though. Could be a gamma NT.
He could also be an LSI, he uses very step by step logic to explain things and is pretty rigid about adhering to Ayn Rand's system.

[Ave]

Dr. Mark Goldie - ILE (?)

It's possible. That or EIE imo.

[Aster]

Warren Zevon. LII.



He's channeling my LII sister in the above video.

Dave Letterman (LIE) really liked him. When Warren made his last appearance on Letterman's show, when he knew he was dying of cancer, Zevon said "Enjoy every sandwich." Which is just about the most Alpha thing ever.

For the record, I always thought that the "Werewolves" of London were LIEs, working in the City. Always. Werewolf is a good Alpha description of a Gamma.

Ha! I love that song completely forgot about it

[nifl]

Not sure about Yaron Brook. He seems logical and central though. Could be a gamma NT.
He could also be an LSI, he uses very step by step logic to explain things and is pretty rigid about adhering to Ayn Rand's system.

with his excitability in that video, EIE is not excluded either


Melissa - mb ILE

[godslave]

It seems like I caught an ILE carrier ! ?

Edit : I've just took a look at his YTC without watching any video and I have second thoughts now ; I think he's a sensing type.

[Jimbean]

Robert Barnes, LII

Viva Frei, Possibly ESE

[Jimbean]

Ian Crossland, ILE

[godslave]

Uber Geek video Alert !



David Viens (AKA plgDavid) - ILE (?)

I Love his vst stuff since the beginning of Plogue !

[The Reality Denialist]

ESE - connect your body sorta therapist

[nifl]

Elizabeth Ferreira is NF, closer to Beta

[Jimbean]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S3ViMJj0uOI

Hank Greene, ILE

[nifl]

Falk Hentschel - ILE
Rosabell Laurenti Sellers - mb EIE

[The Reality Denialist]

Unlearning Economics

[The Reality Denialist]

This Channel probably belongs to alpha YOLO category

Probably qualifies as Ni ignoring.

[youfloweryourfeast]

I think Millie Bobby Brown could be ILE what do you guys think?

[youfloweryourfeast]

"I really like building things" "It's a process of deciding on the details that are important"
I think Hayden Christensen is Alpha quadra, + ESE harmonizing

IDK if they are alpha though. They both might be beta idk.

[Bethanyclaire]

Philippa Gregory, LII-ne.

[qaz00]

Philippa Gregory, LII-ne.

F>T, maybe N-SEI-Fe

[Still Alive]

none of the people on this page are alpha quadra types

[Distance]

EP

Fe user

Random and scattered - EP again in temperament.

ILE.

[squishycans]

I think this guy is ESE (or ILE).

https://www.youtube.com/@ozzymanreviews/videos

Jacksepticeye also.

[necrosebud]

Maybe ENTp and I think sx/so

https://youtube.com/@TheOneShu?si=GBKeKa89eqZCkX0h

[The Reality Denialist]

Nala Ray, ESE

[Park]

Paul Salvatori (journalist/producer/interviewer) - SEI?




@godslave Does this guy give you SEI vibes? He has such a soothing (or should I say "seductive") way of speaking, lol.

[godslave]

Paul Salvatori (journalist/producer/interviewer) - SEI?

@godslave Does this guy give you SEI vibes? He has such a soothing (or should I say "seductive") way of speaking, lol.

I've watched only the parts of the video where he speaks. He indeed has a very ASMR-ish warm and calming voice and prosody. However in terms of "vibes" from the very little I've seen of him, his overall energy doesn't quite fit my idea of the SEI vibe. I don't feel the 3D Se in him. Please keep in mind that my "vibes detector" is biased by my type images, types descriptions and SHS. For instance, Georges Delerue, was SEI and his "vibe" is closer to my understanding of the behavioral manifestation of Se Ignoring.

I don't think that a seemingly delicate person like Paul Salvatori could for instance summon-up a 3D Se level of energy if need be. As a reminder, a lot of folks who compete in MMA have that 3D Se energy. After all, the "vibes" feeling is quite instinctive, so to me in general, if a person feels and looks "weak", then his or her S functions are weak (a priori). That said, in terms of Information Elements metabolism devoid of any behavioral contamination, that could be a whole other story.

I didn't know who that guy was so I looked up for another interview just to have another perspective on his vibe...

I suspect that he's an Se valuer but I would have to investigate more to be sure.

[Park]

@godslave If Se quadra, I'd lean IEI. He does have a very feeble aura — good observation. Honestly, I don't really care for the manner in which he speaks and presents the questions to his interviewees. I mean, he does an OK job in guiding a conversation and giving people space to talk, but he seems glib and more eloquent-sounding than actually eloquent, if you know what I mean. Appearance over substance. And like he's sugarcoating things and complimenting people in a slightly insincere way (or at least that's how it appears to me). He does get personal from time to time, which I would normally associate with Fi valuing, but I won't in this instance because I'm being put off by the way he expresses himself and the little emotional embellishments he sprinkles in. Unless this is how Fi people talk and he's LIE and I'm SEI.

[nifl]

Nala Ray - NF, maybe IEE

[godslave]

Steven Chu - Not SEI...

[Distance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=967Ckat7f98&rco=1

3 of these doctors are LII, and 1 patient, the man with the ESE wife.

[timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=967Ckat7f98&rco=1

3 of these doctors are LII, and 1 patient, the man with the ESE wife.

Bpd, NPD, bipolar. No joke these things are extremely difficult to be around for friends and family and coworkers.

I've wondered if alpha SFs have some of the hardest times when suffering, as intuition is so low. Even with Si, being introverted (not necessarily introspective, there is a difference).

[Distance]

Bpd, NPD, bipolar. No joke these things are extremely difficult to be around for friends and family and coworkers.

I've wondered if alpha SFs have some of the hardest times when suffering, as intuition is so low. Even with Si, being introverted (not necessarily introspective, there is a difference).

Si strong can sail south being triggered easily by a trauma, even minor, when the same event happens, like my SEI wife will say X happened before and OMG no way will i tread there again, tho the probability is low on a return; and because of F in the ego, it is high sensitivity coupled with introverted sensing, it is drawing from their experiential wells, like relive the sore spot. Ni Se is forward on the clock and it looks for overarching patterns, not sense data again.

Yeah it is also lower N here.

[timber]

Si strong can sail south being triggered easily by a trauma, even minor, when the same event happens, like my SEI wife will say X happened before and OMG no way will i tread there again, tho the probability is low on a return; and because of F in the ego, it is high sensitivity coupled with introverted sensing, it is drawing from their experiential wells, like relive the sore spot. Ni Se is forward on the clock and it looks for overarching patterns, not sense data again.

Yeah it is also lower N here.

Interesting perspective and over all sounds about right. OFC there are so many factors involved, but I think you named one of them at least.

[The Reality Denialist]

Dr Victoria Baines ILE

[Still Alive]

^^^^

IEI

[nifl]

sleepysealASMR - mb SEI

[Still Alive]

Hmm, dunno if I have the fantasy for a woman dancing around with heavy weaponry while her army of female friends are constantly involved in fighting (Bad Blood). Can't put my finger on it, but I'm suspecting it's related to valuing...Se

I also doubt I'm gonna be around an expensive mansion while 'ESE' is slashing at a painting like a lunatic and throwing objects at me. That's very much the opposite of duality for me, but maybe other LII's are different

[nifl]

The demonstrative Se of ESE is a strong function, and will be used to showcase their power when needed. However, unlike real Se types, the Se ESEs use is not "productive" in an Ni way. It's chaotic and all over the place (harmless in fantasies, problematic if unhinged in real life).

''chaotic and all over the place'' is a characteristic of weak functions. all strong functions are clear in the consciousness and thus controlled well. when a function is non-valued, there is less motivation to use it and to think about it. ESE like all Si types are good with Se, but it does not motivate them much: they will usually not care to increase their income steadily if it means to work to exhaustion, they will be more motivated to exercise by wellbeing than buff looks. and so on.

Fantasies about Se are most common in Ni types

[Tallmo]

Those soccer moms would disagree with you. Keeping up with the appearance would drive traditional ESE women working to exhaustion. And Si is not just about tradition, but also keeping up with what's expected of them: if she has been living in an environment where she's expected by everyone to work 24 hours to make money and (very importantly) to please/service fans, she would do it, not thinking about how much real benefit/growth she could extract from these activities (which a real Ni type would think about).

Another thing is though she had controversial relations with other celebrities, she's always been a sweetheart, a good girl to her fans (a consistent Si image). An Ni type would either not be able to maintain that image, or role play that image in a somewhat unnatural way.

I think you have misunderstood Si. You are actually talking about Fe and Fe+Se in ESE can lead to the behaviour you mention.

Si is just about comfort, sensing inner physiological phenomena, impressions etc. In ESE you can see a sensual attitude, focus on the body and aesthetics. It's not very pronounced, though.

[nifl]

Keeping up with the appearance would drive traditional ESE women working to exhaustion. And Si is not just about tradition, but also keeping up with what's expected of them

The relation of tradition and expectations to Si specifically is nonsense which has no theoretical basis. Introverted Sensing is about the subjective evaluation of sense impressions: physical aesthetics, pleasure, pain, comfort etc. To have valued Si means to, on average, care more about physical comfort than material control. To have strong S means to feel your physical state well. Si types are thus the least prone to exhausting themselves with work - breaking our backs for some future goal or expectation does not motivate us much.

To do what's expected of you - as in, to do what you have promised - connects with rationality and strong functions. If ESE is pressed by the environment to become a physicist or engineer, you may see more problems with them to do what is expected.

f she has been living in an environment where she's expected by everyone to work 24 hours to make money and (very importantly) to please/service fans, she would do it

Rationals may be more steadfast to do what is needed. But such an environment would be hard for a Si type with no more motivation than ''what is expected''.

not thinking about how much real benefit/growth she could extract from these activities

Real benefit is evaluated by all functions, not just Ni. Benefit from the point of view of Si is mainly what is physically pleasant now, not in some future fantasy.

Evaluation of the relation of the energy spent on work to the monetary gain gotten is T. To see alternatives is N. So ESE can have problems to understand how efficient her work is, how she could get more by optimizing the work process, new ways to work/jobs to do.

she's always been a sweetheart, a good girl to her fans (a consistent Si image).

What you relate to Si here is related to F. To be sweet, emotionally pleasant. And Taylor Swift looks like a T type, excluding Delta ST. So no ego Si there.

@Tallmo

It's not very pronounced, though.

All strong functions are pronounced, especially the valued ones. The 2nd function is only slightly less pronounced than the 1st. In overt behaviour 2nd valued may even be more pronounced than 1st non-valued.

[nifl]

You think ESE is not likely to work hard (because it's not physically comfortable). Not likely to work efficiently.

ESE may work hard like all others, but are less likely to do so to exhaustion, when it's not needed. It's perceived as more important for Si types to eat, sleep etc. enough than other types.
To evaluate the efficiency of their work is not the strong side of ESE. But if they're directly influencing people through emotions like singing, then such evaluations can be less necessary, as it's mainly for a strong function for them and demands less thinking.

You feel Taylor is a gamma NT

I feel that she is a T type and has no ego Si, not necessarily Gamma NT. Can also be Alpha, Beta T. Leaning towards Ti.

I know CS Joseph used to type her as NiTe (now he changed it to SeFi). I'm guessing that's probably part of the reason you are giving this typing?

I'm not familiar with any CS Joseph. I will deny SEE, but not ILI.
My opinion is based on my perception of her facial expressions and non-verbal mannerisms. Her gaze is cold, not warm or pathetic like F types' expressions often are.

1. Si types can work very hard (LSE is one of the hardest working types. SEI is one of the most tenacious.)

All types can work hard. It's easier to be motivated to it by valued functions, easier to do work in strong functions. Si types are just less likely to forgo feeling physically good for work.
Rationals work more steadily, and extraverts seem to have higher activity levels, but LSE are not one of the most hard working types. They prefer to work reasonably, efficienty, but not like mules. And about the tenaciousness of SEI... irrationals easier jump from a task if it annoys them to do it. And with superego Ni promises of future reward are difficult to trust in. SEI may even get economic problems from this, as they do not have the T to be reasonable with resources.

But with many professional's help (they are good at getting people), they can be very productive.

Yes, as all F types they are more skilled with people. They are more productive with people, where processual efficiency and calculations are not on their minds.

You need practical experience to understand the types, besides reading something like Filatova to get the basics. Your LSE may have been many SLE, LSI, for example. Your SEI - SEE, ESI.