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    He is using for sure, but the natural language convention here is dumb compared to the math convention, which is that things are not assumed to be distinct unless specified. Are you seriously going to say that we need a separate category for Identical relationships? It just doesn't make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    He is using for sure, but the natural language convention here is dumb compared to the math convention, which is that things are not assumed to be distinct unless specified. Are you seriously going to say that we need a separate category for Identical relationships? It just doesn't make sense.
    That's what Ti does, makes categories. That's what TiSe does, makes many useless categories because they avoid Te (efficiency of these categories). These actions, of making categories, works fine for them because what else can they do with their Ne? What? conserve energy (using Si?) NO NO I don't think so... They make work so they can use their Se to do more work by form of extreme energy expenditure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    That's what Ti does, makes categories. That's what TiSe does, makes many useless categories because they avoid Te (efficiency of these categories).
    Maybe if they're being retarded...sane/intelligent types know when to use and when to use .

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Maybe if they're being retarded...sane/intelligent types know when to use and when to use .
    Now that's not a socionics accurate statement because Ti base ignores Te..so they can't use both; they can only use one or the other. However, Ti creatives can use Te or demonstrate it.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Now that's not a socionics accurate statement because Ti base ignores Te..so they can't use both; they can only use one or the other. However, Ti creatives can use Te or demonstrate it.
    EVERYBODY USES ALL OF THE FUNCTIONS DO SOME RESEARCH

    see, I just used .

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    EVERYBODY USES ALL OF THE FUNCTIONS DO SOME RESEARCH

    see, I just used .
    That's not what's written in Socioniko site.

    Ignoring function
    The ignoring function is also called the observing, or limiting function.
    A person has very little use of this element, as it is the rival image of the base function, representing an antithetical approach to the same domain. It lies in the subconscious as a persistent annoyance to the individual. Therefore, he or she tries to ignore it. When lectured by another on the use of the ignoring function, the individual sees it as superfluous information, for he or she knows how to use the function well, but chooses not to use it in favor of his or her more convenient base function. Usually the base function creates byproducts relating to the ignoring function, but the way it describes such information is very carefully chosen to fit the view of the leading function.

    Most of his writing on this is inaccurate.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    That's not what's written in Socioniko site.

    Ignoring function
    The ignoring function is also called the observing, or limiting function.
    A person has very little use of this element, as it is the rival image of the base function, representing an antithetical approach to the same domain. It lies in the subconscious as a persistent annoyance to the individual. Therefore, he or she tries to ignore it. When lectured by another on the use of the ignoring function, the individual sees it as superfluous information, for he or she knows how to use the function well, but chooses not to use it in favor of his or her more convenient base function. Usually the base function creates byproducts relating to the ignoring function, but the way it describes such information is very carefully chosen to fit the view of the leading function.

    Most of his writing on this is inaccurate.
    You are misinterpreting what it says. It doesn't say "Ti leading types always use Ti and always ignore Te", it says that Ti leading types "have very little use of Te". And even that is an exaggeration, IMO.

    From The Dual Nature of Man:

    Each individual has all eight IM elements contained in his psyche. In other words, each of us utilizes the same ways of receiving and processing information. However, in difficult situations that demand our intellectual efforts, people tend to rely on only one pair of elements — one black and one white. These are what define one's IM type.



    In fact it's pretty hard for anyone to use without using . There's always a little bit of "spillover" between intro/extro forms.

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