I'm a bit surprised at the reactions to Ezra's first video. I agree with niffweed: it's not a good representation of Alpha Fe, there are other elements, and of course the people participating could be of all quadras. But it's also easy to see where Ezra was coming from. Fe as in "to reflect and to delight in" as opposed to Fe as in "to conquer despite suffering".
I'd guess that the guy in the teddy bear costume was LII by the way. Overall it's a funny video to watch.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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Really? Hm.
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
Being close only matters in horseshoes and hand grenades, so it does not matter whether or not you can see where he was coming from but whether or not he succeeded in hitting his goal with accuracy.
More depressingly self-destructive than funny.I'd guess that the guy in the teddy bear costume was LII by the way. Overall it's a funny video to watch.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Hehe but at least they had fun along the way.
Suomea
It seems you and I had a similar reaction.
It made me feel a little sad more than anything else.
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
IJs, be less stuck up.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I don't think Ezra was trying to offend anyone with this thread. I think that he was just trying to find the difference in a way that will clearly convey it between Alpha and Beta Fe. Everyone's getting offended because the first video is an orgy it seems... but I don't think Ezra was trying to say that typical Alpha behavior/Fe involves orgies, and drug use, etc.
EJs, be less patronizing.
Yes he was, but when the title suggests that watching these videos will be an effective means of clearing up any misconceptions "for those of you who still fail to understand the difference between Fes" fails to live up to its premise, then why should he be immune to criticism for his failed efforts?I don't think Ezra was trying to offend anyone with this thread. I think that he was just trying to find the difference in a way that will clearly convey it between Alpha and Beta Fe. Everyone's getting offended because the first video is an orgy it seems... but I don't think Ezra was trying to say that typical Alpha behavior/Fe involves orgies, and drug use, etc.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
yes, that makes sense too... god, I just don't have any opinions today.
Let's try these two videos..
Alpha Si and Fe
Beta Ni and Fe
I think the initial two examples posted by Ezra are decent. Without criticizing drug use or acting talent, the videos are good examples. The first is an example of alpha rock and roll lifestyle. If an Alpha type were to sex, drug, and rock, that is how they would do it.
In fact, I like the video enough to attempt to put it on my facebook page.
LII
that is what i was getting at. if there is an inescapable appropriation that is required in the act of understanding, this brings into question the validity of socionics in describing what is real, and hence stubborn contradictions that continue to plague me.
...introverts...
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
better example, in many ways.
I'm still often repelled by that atmosphere. Beta Fe is more my taste.
Charging medieval battlements?
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
I mean Beta Fe appeals more than Alpha Fe. If, of course, they're the same thing, then I have a distaste for Fe.
Well the drugs bit isn't funny, I readily agree; but it seemed to me that only very few were actually doing that.
Yeah, remember, Expat, that some idiots don't give a shit about understanding, only whether or not what was intended to work actually work.
You're right. I'm so sorry. So here's a gold star for your failed efforts to understand.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
The first video I adored on a purely stylistic level - it was full of self-destructive, nasty behaviour yeah, but it was filmed beautifully, do you know what I'm getting at? The music & images put together worked to give a good impact for the viewer and you feel like you're almost "at" that party or could feel what it's like (well, I HAVE felt what it's like so maybe tbat's why it's making me hmm, perhaps a bit sentimental even? lol) ...
The second just bores me. But come on even on a fundamental level of what the teenagers in the first video are doing seems fun to me, and it does not depress me.
Also I don't think you can compare the two like this - what would work better would be to have 2 videos of 2 parties. One is more Alpha oriented and one Beta centred. It would be interesting to see the difference in focus THERE, instead of using an obviously out-dated time period piece speech & a recent, hip teen drama trailer. It just doesn't work.
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