For those of you who still fail to understand the difference between Fes

[Minde]

Overall it's a funny video to watch.

Really? Hm.

[Ms. Kensington]

All sorts of artists, everyone doing their own thing, very individual clothing styles (like in the video, mixing colors and style decades), Groups constantly forming and breaking up, people going from conversation -> dancing -> some other group for conversation ->having a quick drink -> dancing... The general party pattern was the same as can be seen in the video here, but people were very clean and tidy, friendly and nice.

hm, and you are also in estonia? Sign me up for one of these parties.

[Logos]

I'm a bit surprised at the reactions to Ezra's first video. I agree with niffweed: it's not a good representation of Alpha Fe, there are other elements, and of course the people participating could be of all quadras. But it's also easy to see where Ezra was coming from. Fe as in "to reflect and to delight in" as opposed to Fe as in "to conquer despite suffering".

Being close only matters in horseshoes and hand grenades, so it does not matter whether or not you can see where he was coming from but whether or not he succeeded in hitting his goal with accuracy.

I'd guess that the guy in the teddy bear costume was LII by the way. Overall it's a funny video to watch.

More depressingly self-destructive than funny.

[Suomea]

More depressingly self-destructive than funny.

Hehe but at least they had fun along the way.

[Expat]

More depressingly self-destructive than funny.

Well the drugs bit isn't funny, I readily agree; but it seemed to me that only very few were actually doing that.

[Minde]

More depressingly self-destructive than funny.

It seems you and I had a similar reaction.


It made me feel a little sad more than anything else.

[Ezra]

Being close only matters in horseshoes and hand grenades, so it does not matter whether or not you can see where he was coming from but whether or not he succeeded in hitting his goal with accuracy.

Yeah, remember, Expat, that some idiots don't give a shit about understanding, only whether or not what was intended to work actually work.

[Logos]

Yeah, remember, Expat, that some idiots don't give a shit about understanding, only whether or not what was intended to work actually work.

You're right. I'm so sorry. So here's a gold star for your failed efforts to understand.

[ScarlettLux]

The first video I adored on a purely stylistic level - it was full of self-destructive, nasty behaviour yeah, but it was filmed beautifully, do you know what I'm getting at? The music & images put together worked to give a good impact for the viewer and you feel like you're almost "at" that party or could feel what it's like (well, I HAVE felt what it's like so maybe tbat's why it's making me hmm, perhaps a bit sentimental even? lol) ...

The second just bores me. But come on even on a fundamental level of what the teenagers in the first video are doing seems fun to me, and it does not depress me.

Also I don't think you can compare the two like this - what would work better would be to have 2 videos of 2 parties. One is more Alpha oriented and one Beta centred. It would be interesting to see the difference in focus THERE, instead of using an obviously out-dated time period piece speech & a recent, hip teen drama trailer. It just doesn't work.

[FDG]

IJs, be less stuck up.

[marooned]

I don't think Ezra was trying to offend anyone with this thread. I think that he was just trying to find the difference in a way that will clearly convey it between Alpha and Beta Fe. Everyone's getting offended because the first video is an orgy it seems... but I don't think Ezra was trying to say that typical Alpha behavior/Fe involves orgies, and drug use, etc.

[Logos]

IJs, be less stuck up.

EJs, be less patronizing.

I don't think Ezra was trying to offend anyone with this thread. I think that he was just trying to find the difference in a way that will clearly convey it between Alpha and Beta Fe. Everyone's getting offended because the first video is an orgy it seems... but I don't think Ezra was trying to say that typical Alpha behavior/Fe involves orgies, and drug use, etc.

Yes he was, but when the title suggests that watching these videos will be an effective means of clearing up any misconceptions "for those of you who still fail to understand the difference between Fes" fails to live up to its premise, then why should he be immune to criticism for his failed efforts?

[marooned]

Yes he was, but when the title suggests that watching these videos will be an effective means of clearing up any misconceptions "for those of you who still fail to understand the difference between Fes" fails to live up to its premise, then why should he be immune to criticism for his failed efforts?

yes, that makes sense too... god, I just don't have any opinions today.

[aestrivex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8YP5pJOdhI

This is more Alpha Fe.

better example, in many ways.

[Ezra]

I'm still often repelled by that atmosphere. Beta Fe is more my taste.

[Logos]

I'm still often repelled by that atmosphere. Beta Fe is more my taste.

Charging medieval battlements?

[Ezra]

I mean Beta Fe appeals more than Alpha Fe. If, of course, they're the same thing, then I have a distaste for Fe.

[Dioklecian]

Both these are beta.

Alpha Fe

Beta Fe

[XoX]

Let's try these two videos..

Alpha Si and Fe


Beta Ni and Fe

[Mariano Rajoy]

I think the initial two examples posted by Ezra are decent. Without criticizing drug use or acting talent, the videos are good examples. The first is an example of alpha rock and roll lifestyle. If an Alpha type were to sex, drug, and rock, that is how they would do it.

In fact, I like the video enough to attempt to put it on my facebook page.

[snegledmaca]

I'd also give another example of beta vs alpha .

[FDG]

IJs, please keep being IJs.

...introverts...

[XoX]

Beta using Fe

You have good examples. That song is mysteriously interesting.

Is this song Beta or Gamma?


I can almost inhale it. It is not really Fe I guess and the video is not that special. That song is just so my Quadra whatever it is. Apparently something Se.

[Kristiina]

The second video made me sit up in suspense. And the end gave me goosebumps and made me smile.

edit: Snegled's video. The one with people running blindfolded.

[Kristiina]

I want to try as well.

Alpha Fe (The most alpha song ever, IMO)


Beta Fe (Might be more Beta Se, but there's also the Fe+Ni aspect to it. I love this song. Must have heard it a few hundred times already!)

[snegledmaca]

Is this song Beta or Gamma?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZd1Js0QaOI

I can almost inhale it. It is not really Fe I guess and the video is not that special. That song is just so my Quadra whatever it is. Apparently something Se.

Not sure. I wouldn't even say it's necessarily Se as well. The original by daft punk seems very much Ni though. And gamma. At least to me. And kanye seems like a SEE in that video so I guess if I had to pick I'd say gamma. But I think alpha is also posible. My impression of him is SEI.




Here's another example

[Kristiina]

Se blocked with Fe

haha, that's a horrible song. But I agree it's beta something. It's lively, fast, it has a strong beat, a lot of expressions in the video, etc. It's a strong song. And the guy isn't very ugly. He's just horribly dressed. The guy looks EXTREMELY ESTp. Like really. The expressions and everything. Only a handful of types would match the body movement, but his expressions and all that were just so goofy ESTp having fun making the video.

[Expat]

Not sure. I wouldn't even say it's necessarily Se as well. The original by daft punk seems very much Ni though. And gamma. At least to me. And kanye seems like a SEE in that video so I guess if I had to pick I'd say gamma. But I think alpha is also posible. My impression of him is SEI.

I think the best way to call that video is "Se - Ni irrationality". It's a combination of Se and Ni images and thoughts, but all from an irrational point of view. I would expect it to have some meaning to SEEs, SLE, IEIs and ILIs - but perhaps ILIs would think that the whole thing still has too much Fe, even if it's not really Fe as such, as XoX said.

I agree that he seems SEE in the video. The main theme "I can't wait much longer" is a Se EP theme, or of very anxious Se IJs.

haha, that's a horrible song. But I agree it's beta something. It's lively, fast, it has a strong beat, a lot of expressions in the video, etc. It's a strong song. And the guy isn't very ugly. He's just horribly dressed. The guy looks EXTREMELY ESTp. Like really. The expressions and everything. Only a handful of types would match the body movement, but his expressions and all that were just so goofy ESTp having fun making the video.

Yes, I agree with everything you said.

[Cudcat]

Not sure. I wouldn't even say it's necessarily Se as well. The original by daft punk seems very much Ni though. And gamma. At least to me. And kanye seems like a SEE in that video so I guess if I had to pick I'd say gamma. But I think alpha is also posible. My impression of him is SEI.[/url]

Still I'd say the song is Se.


Beta Se and Fe.

[snegledmaca]

haha, that's a horrible song. But I agree it's beta something. It's lively, fast, it has a strong beat, a lot of expressions in the video, etc. It's a strong song. And the guy isn't very ugly. He's just horribly dressed. The guy looks EXTREMELY ESTp. Like really. The expressions and everything. Only a handful of types would match the body movement, but his expressions and all that were just so goofy ESTp having fun making the video.

Yeah! It's wrong.... but I love it!


Here's another example

[hellothere]

wow that scooter song was obnoxious

[snegledmaca]

Still I'd say the song is Se.


Beta Se and Fe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lneSAju-Xtc

Not sure. The song is heavily narrated, it revolves around narration. I have trouble seeing it as beta. And the fact that I was bored half was through it also makes me think this. Don't know. I'd say it's somebody trying to present the image of "the dangerous Se type". To contrast, this is what I'd call being a real "dangerous Se type".

wow that scooter song was obnoxious

Haha! I, on the other hand, can't get enough of it! I think scooter is Ti - SLE. How do you respond to the garbage song I presented above?

[XoX]

Yeah! It's wrong.... but I love it!

Actually to me it was "borderline". As in much better than the other alternative but getting a bit too darkish and I had problems understanding all the symbolism. That bothered me a bit.

Here's another example

Fe with Si

Fe with Se

Here I love the song you claim to be "Fe with Si" (I'm not sure it is though? well perhaps.). The scooter song reminds me a bit too much of the movie "300" i.e. it is very brutal. However I used to be fond of older scooter songs which were played in bars/clubs when I was younger. Those scooter songs were more "lightweight" though. This one is a too brutal.

[Mariano Rajoy]

Is it just me, or does Beta Fe seem like the dark side of the force when compared to Alpha Fe?

[Cudcat]

Not sure. The song is heavily narrated, it revolves around narration. I have trouble seeing it as beta. And the fact that I was bored half was through it also makes me think this. Don't know. I'd say it's somebody trying to present the image of "the dangerous Se type". To contrast, this is what I'd call being a real "dangerous Se type".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-CHEnJ7gnc



Haha! I, on the other hand, can't get enough of it! I think scooter is Ti - SLE. How do you respond to the garbage song I presented above?

It's quite possible that Nick Cave isn't beta, but I still think the song is (,like I thought the Kanye West song wasn't alpha though Kanye might be). The song is fairly slow but it has a strong puls, which i connected to Se. Also Stagger Lee is some kind of ego Se.

As for Fe I considered the homoerotic nature of the video rather Fe and a bit edgy - thus not FeSi.

About whether one likes the song or not I'd say isn't necessarily type based. I personally found the Scooter song terrible but the one prior to that rather good.

[hellothere]

Haha! I, on the other hand, can't get enough of it! I think scooter is Ti - SLE. How do you respond to the garbage song I presented above?

It's alright... in parts it makes me feel a bit intimidated but, otherwise its alright. Generally I like Garbage.

[snegledmaca]

Here I love the song you claim to be "Fe with Si" (I'm not sure it is though? well perhaps.).

Well so do I. And I said it is Fe + Si in terms of dance, club music. In general I'd say Fe with Si relaxes you while Fe with Se pumps you up. For example, another example of this

[snegledmaca]

It's quite possible that Nick Cave isn't beta, but I still think the song is (,like I thought the Kanye West song wasn't alpha though Kanye might be). The song is fairly slow but it has a strong puls, which i connected to Se. Also Stagger Lee is some kind of ego Se.

As for Fe I considered the homoerotic nature of the video rather Fe and a bit edgy - thus not FeSi.

About whether one likes the song or not I'd say isn't necessarily type based. I personally found the Scooter song terrible but the one prior to that rather good.

It's not about "liking". At least that's not the way I see it. It's about resonating with it. It did not resonate. And I got bored half way through it. But I guess, like you say, it could be an individual thing. It could be that it just does not fulfill my Se needs adequately, like the other one does, and not that it isn't Se.

Personally it seems like it's trying to make me envision something, construct a picture/image of something, as if it is trying to fulfill my intuition needs somehow. Needs I do not have. So I am repelled.

[Cudcat]

It's not about "liking". At least that's not the way I see it. It's about resonating with it. It did not resonate. And I got bored half way through it. But I guess, like you say, it could be an individual thing. It could be that it just does not fulfill my Se needs adequately, like the other one does, and not that it isn't Se.

Personally it seems like it's trying to make me envision something, construct a picture/image of something, as if it is trying to fulfill my intuition needs somehow. Needs I do not have. So I am repelled.

Fair enough.

I'll make an attempt at alpha Fe with Si instead:

[Kristiina]

Still I'd say the song is Se.


Beta Se and Fe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lneSAju-Xtc

I agree it's beta Se and Fe. And notice how it's slow, but I'm not protesting. It has a sense of "I'm making it slow on purpose. I consider this slow motion!". The entire thing looks slowed down. In alpha videos it sounds naturally slow, but this here looks like watching a clip with half speed.

EDIT: for what it's worth, I didn't like the song, but I see some beta qualities in it. At least not Si!

Ok, some beta songs are slow! This could be beta!