Minor identity crisis, DCNH ? (sorry I can't edit my last "crisis" thread)
I don't wan't to take the time of disclose myself much now, Ill take it later and edit this post if no responses can be made to the problem.
Socionic virus is progressing in my head and I'm asking myself what DCNH can I be ?
How do you can determine DCNH in behavior (at large - I bet there is link beetween all type) ? Or in INFj only ? thx
Hm... don't give too much importance to DCNH when you haven't figured out your normal subtype yet. It's sort of disputed and not connected to the original theory - basics first. What do you mean by link between all types?
I only think that there are some kind of behavior that all kind do for example if dominant. A kind of "aspect". Perhaps every dominant are pushover lol
I don't know wich subtype I'm. I'm not as chaosly extraverted and attention whore as Ne subtype and not as centered as Fi subtypes.
Oh, and I have a small rant because I see this trend in the forum and in myself. Maybe it's been said already. So, it has me wondering, why is typing throwing people in an identity crisis? Our identities are already there. No need to be emotionally dependent on pigeonholing with socionics, enneagram and so on. If it's the Big Five, that is something to get truly upset about
lol
I bet it's about the neurosis of self identification to a particular things
In a way, let's take a human person. He have an identity, no identity crisis. Someone come and say "you can be this this this this or this". There is so a king of existencial crisis "what I'm in all these type" then "what I represent" and stuff.
This is the simple explanation of this thing
It come perhaps from ennegram 6 stuff "hesitating with external use of intellect or internal"
Well, you have your 8 elements, strength roughly co-ordinates with function, as follows:
Base 4D
Creative 3D
Role 2D
Polr 1D
Suggestive 1D
HA 2D
Ignoring 3D
Demonstartive 4D
If you incorporate subtypes, it changes a bit, because subtypes account for usage that differs from the construct, and usage typically develops strength. One of the reasons why we get better using our weak functions over time.
With base subtype, roughly add .25 in strength for 1, 4, 6, 7, and reduce .25 from 2, 3, 5, 8. Creative subtype, vice versa. This is a really rough and simplified explanation, but conceptually all that matters is that you can follow the reasoning. But know, its not precise and more learning will help you get a better idea of the theory. If base is Ne, and creative is Ti, base subtypes will have stronger N and F skills than the norm, and vice versa, Creative will have stronger S and T. When using an element, its inverse (Ne -> Se) is shut off. So if you use kore Ne than normal for your type, you use less Se. Extrapolate to all 8 elements and you roughly get my strength statement above.
With DCNH, it builds off of that. Further accentuation outside of typical deviations. For me, initially I thought maybe I was normalizing, because by Ji elements are better than the average IEI I meet. But that would not be the case for Normalizing types. When one lens opens, the other shuts. A normalizing type will have one accentuated, to the detriment of the other. I think the trick is understanding which inverse pair are stronger than the norm, and weaker than the norm inversely. For me its Pi. My Si is atrocious even among IEIs, and my Ni is sharp. And then accentuation on my base, then accounts for my Ti seeming stronger than the archetype and subtype suggests. The Fi part isnt accounted for, but I can fairly certainly chalk that up to my upbringing as a guy with several younger siblings and an EII mom single raising me.
All in all, theres a shit ton to account for, and without the first subtype figured out, its probably impossible for someone who doesnt immediately know. But there is an internal consistency in the framework to guide you once youve gotten a handle on the previous steps.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
I found this article about as useful as anything on the subject, specifically Section 3.1 = Dominant; 3.2 = Creative; 3.3 = Normalizing; 3.4 = Harmonizing.
Compatibility and Duality
But I would not consider the DCNH subtypes to be an enjoyable waste of time.
3.1.
Connectivity initiator (CI) - is an energetic, assertive, determined within their social type person who sets himself clear, realistic goals, and usually achieve them. He is able to quickly and accurately analyze the situation and focuses on large-scale, mainly in the task at hand. Ha stuff is not exchanged. For CI characterized by a strong pragmatic orientation, focus on their own interests. This leads to the fact that towards the end it neglects any available means. Bright subtype, especially if it is sensation, able to walk to his goal over the heads of others.
Through an initial CI has a (strong) need to be right, and thanks to connectivity - to manage the situation. This combination makes him a man, constantly vying for glory, honor, influence. (a bit) In any case, for which CI is taken, it has an underlying installation of victory. It is part of the risk, it is impatient and does not tolerate those who hesitate in making decisions. KI hardly recognize his mistakes, but success is learning what interested. He developed the ambition: often seeks to acquire a high position, a prestigious status. The desire to make a career - a characteristic feature of this subtype of men.
In what follows we call this the dominant subtype and denoted D (from the English. "Dominate" - dominion, rule). Dominant subtype can manifest itself in two main varieties - DX and DY. The hallmark of DX - immediately attempts authoritarian control and domination, but in case of failure can take a flexible position. A feature of DY - first part of the trust, a man tying one way or another, and only then exhibits authoritarian features.
3.2.
Ignorativny initiator (AI) - a creative, enthusiastic, looking for people. His attention is not fixed on the details, figures, facts and rigorous proofs. Something simplifying AI builds holistic concepts and images that have internal proportionality and harmony. He has been a strong tendency to synthesis - combining various, sometimes quite similar ideas and the creation of new and original. Because of its AI ignorativnosti little inclined to make concessions. On the contrary, he often sharpens the conflict, paying no attention to the allegations. He is sarcastic, witty. For this subtype is very important inflow of new experiences that give him the material for the synthesis. There is nothing more boring for him immutability, routine instructions. Interest in him prevails over use.
AI - tireless preacher of his ideas, grouping like-minded people. However, it lacks diplomacy: he is quick-tempered, short-tempered in defending their theories and proposals, especially when it comes to extrovert.Because of initial AI also lacks persistence and consistency to implement their plans in life. This subtype will henceforth be called creative and denoted C (from the English. "Create" - create, create).
3.3.
Ignorativny terminator (IT) - a man of order, system integrity and accuracy. It is characterized by hard work, diligence, and responsibility. Arising out of the terminal patient and methodical, the need to bring the follow through make it a competent specialist in your field.
IT has a desire for clear and reliable information. He always tries to bring order to the region, with which it has to face. All available information is usually systematized, placed on shelves. Especially clearly expressed in the quality of logic. System and Analysis - its strengths. IT computes a result or obtains it by many observations or experiments. He tries not to miss a single link in the chain of reasoning, and when others do, have difficulty in understanding. IT is very attentive to detail, details.
IT usually likes to clear mode, he does not like unexpected surprises - the usual or intended change the course of events. He always organizes, arranges as best people and things around them. The types of work, where there are deadlines, determined by access to information and equipment, there are instructions for action, IT surpasses all other subtypes.
This subtype will be called normalizing and denoted by N (from the English. "Normalize" - to organize).
3.4.
Connectivity terminator (CT) - a man, the main value of which is peace, harmony and well-being of their own and their loved ones. CT - the most benevolent subtype, keeping the stability of the family, team, group.
CT is able to listen to people (somewhat), to show their understanding of their problems, to empathize with someone else's joy and sorrow. Especially these qualities are seen in ethics. Through connectivity CT quite affectionate, sensitive to changes in the external environment, is doing everything in its power to restore the lost peace.
For this reason, it sometimes lacks firmness, integrity. As a result of the CT is prone to self-incrimination, reflection. Although this subtype, and does not aspire to power, but becomes a passionate defender of the people and be firm when violated the laws of justice and morality. Subtype CT peculiar and best spiritual qualities. This is a man who is capable of self-sacrifice, refuses personal gain for the benefit of others, if he sees that they need it most. Although he is a good psychologist or a diplomat, but weak in political games, when you need to act not only flexible, but quickly and decisively, without fear to destroy the established status quo.
This subtype will be called harmonizing and denote H (from the English. "Harmonize" - harmonize).
.......... hard to say
Creative or Harmonizing I bet, but probably any Ne type can say what's depicted for creative subtype
I don't trust that much this scale as it seems to be directly related to the satisfaction of ones life
edit : no, compared to other system I don't trust this one at the end.
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in this one :
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-(translation)
I relate far more to the D & C, but too somewhat with H : at the end, I feel like H way of behaving is "what I inject in myself sometime for my D being more D" in a way -without being sure me being D-. I don't feel like I relate "everytime" to H, but I can't say I relate strongly to D too as I'm not grouchy, annoying or stuff. At least I feel like I'm not, even if sometime ppl close to me feel that I make them bored because I speak to much (political, music, socionic, opinions) when they just wan't to speak food and stuff (you got it, that's my parents). But I don't think familie setting is a good way to type, there is less "pressure" so in a way that's less "true"
My ex was probably real H and (Dunno if SLI or LSE-H thought)... Yeah I think they have what's called "happiness"
My best friend is LSE-C for sure and some stuff is a bit annoying (perhaps "disharmony" or going nowhere but fuck these guy have a life too, they don't give a fuck it seems). He STRONGLY look for EII-H ppl (he show often girl that he like).
I would like to be D as I run for a LSE-C splendid girl at this moment this would give me more chance
I would like to be D as I like to be the best stuff possible in everything lol
no seriously IDK. Seeing my C friend, they are too active in their creativity for me being C, that's the main turn off for C or I would declare myself C ^^. I can see how EII-C would be completely into their C and that's probably not me. I'm hesitating, D or H.
The only thing I'm sure of not being is N as Ive even problem with that (somewhat disorganized and stuff, quickly bored with repetition..) that I currently try a bit to make better
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So youre EII?
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Yes sorry. I'm EII, it was in the signature of my previous account (I succeded in socionic detoxification for 2 weeks but the withdrawal was too much)
If youre thinking D, is it Te or Fe?
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
It's what I read previously, yes.
No I mean for you, your D accentuation, is it in Te or Fe?
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Wow I don't know. Really probably Fe if I'm Fe/Te accentued. It's more about "self expression". Or at least I don't respond to Te stereotypes if Ive high Te. I will work in some days, perhaps in some month Ill able to know. I know I can sometime give Te-process advice in work settings
The stuff wich is saying "not D" for me at the end is that I'm always trying to "refine" my "moral" or emotionnal perception. In a way Ive hard time to come with a "static moral" saying "stop this is shit because" or things like that, I try to understand, etc...
EII-D would be more very moral oriented
If I'm into a domain where I'm passionated I can be somewhat tyrannical lol that's why I said "I don't trust that much this scale as it seems to be directly related to the satisfaction of ones life" (on the basis working toward passion is hapinness wich isn't always true)
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