Examples of Socionics Alpha types

**Adam Strange** · 08-25-2015, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by Kill4Me

"Oyster"....LII 3w4 sp/sx

Strange.

So strange.

I know this will make me sound like an asshole, but I used to make shots like that all the time. They're actually easier than shots which involve long runs at high angles, because the right angles of the table help set things up. I spent an entire year in college doing nothing other than smoking weed 24-7 and playing pool. (There was a pool table across the hall from my dorm room.) Shots like that would surprise the guys who saw them, but they are not that hard, if you practice. You just line up the shot, put some spin on the cue ball depending on where you want it to end up, and just clip the ball against the rail. That year, if I got to shoot after the break, the other guy was done. I attribute it to constant practice, and a very good sense of spatial orientation (left-handedness).
Unfortunately, it only stays with practice. I played in a bar a couple of years after that and got my ass handed to me.

**wacey** · 08-25-2015, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by Adam Strange

I know this will make me sound like an asshole, but I used to make shots like that all the time. They're actually easier than shots which involve long runs at high angles, because the right angles of the table help set things up. I spent an entire year in college doing nothing other than smoking weed 24-7 and playing pool. (There was a pool table across the hall from my dorm room.) Shots like that would surprise the guys who saw them, but they are not that hard, if you practice. You just line up the shot, put some spin on the cue ball depending on where you want it to end up, and just clip the ball against the rail. That year, if I got to shoot after the break, the other guy was done. I attribute it to constant practice, and a very good sense of spatial orientation (left-handedness).
Unfortunately, it only stays with practice. I played in a bar a couple of years after that and got my ass handed to me.

Pattern of seeing LIE showing off, but not trying to show off.

I'm not talking about this post itself, but the event within it as well as real life circumstances.

**Adam Strange** · 08-25-2015, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by wacey

Pattern of seeing LIE showing off, but not trying to show off.

I'm not talking about this post itself, but the event within it as well as real life circumstances.

Tru dat. Guilty as charged.

ENTJ isn't synonymous with "asshole" for no reason.

God, I wish I weren't an asshole, But I'm glad I'm an ENTJ. I'm so confused.

**wacey** · 08-25-2015, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by Adam Strange

Tru dat. Guilty as charged.

ENTJ isn't synonymous with "asshole" for no reason.

God, I wish I weren't an asshole, But I'm glad I'm an ENTJ. I'm so confused.

I've heard you say this before and really you are the only one I have ever heard of or read refer to ENTj (right?) as assholes. Are you talking MBTI?

Maybe a bit conceded, sure.

**Adam Strange** · 08-25-2015, 04:59 AM

Well, personally, I am a really nice guy. Terrific to know, generous, funny, thoughtful, trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient (well, no), cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent (about making money).
But, not every ENTj is like me, and not everyone who is not an ENTj agrees with my description.
Here is just Page One of a google search:

http://intjforum.com/archive/index.php/t-784.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/entj/commen...ed_an_asshole/

http://entjconfessions.tumblr.com/po...confessions-60

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...long-with-them

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...8125607AAwvZKl

http://funkymbtifiction.tumblr.com/p...ife-as-an-entj

http://entjforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=897

Unfortunately, there were many, many more pages of this.

Here is my favorite, where everyone gets called out. And I think this particular ENTj description can, in places, be very accurate, although I disagree with the "ruining someone's life" and "politicians" part. The phases thing is as true as anything else.

http://zombiesintelligently.com/non-.../myers-briggs/

Finally, there are hordes of ENTJ's over on PerC who buy into the common ENTJ description, emulate it and exaggerate it, and that just makes things worse.

**glam** · 08-25-2015, 05:12 AM

i think Expat used to sometimes talk about being a "Te jerk"...

is it that LIEs being bragging, know-it-all jerks somehow goes along with ESI stubborn bitchiness (females) / hardheaded belligerence (males)?

**wacey** · 08-25-2015, 05:16 AM

Love to continue this convo for sure in another thread.

**wacey** · 08-25-2015, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by glam

i think Expat used to sometimes talk about being a "Te jerk"...

is it that LIEs being bragging, know-it-all jerks somehow goes along with ESI stubborn bitchiness (females) / hardheaded belligerence (males)?

I believe its the ENTp and ESTps who are the bragging know-it-all jerks of the socion

**wacey** · 08-25-2015, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by Adam Strange

Well, personally, I am a really nice guy. Terrific to know, generous, funny, thoughtful, trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient (well, no), cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent (about making money).
But, not every ENTj is like me, and not everyone who is not an ENTj agrees with my description.
Here is just Page One of a google search:

http://intjforum.com/archive/index.php/t-784.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/entj/commen...ed_an_asshole/

http://entjconfessions.tumblr.com/po...confessions-60

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...long-with-them

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...8125607AAwvZKl

http://funkymbtifiction.tumblr.com/p...ife-as-an-entj

http://entjforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=897

Unfortunately, there were many, many more pages of this.

Here is my favorite, where everyone gets called out. And I think this particular ENTj description can, in places, be very accurate, although I disagree with the "ruining someone's life" and "politicians" part. The phases thing is as true as anything else.

http://zombiesintelligently.com/non-.../myers-briggs/

Finally, there are hordes of ENTJ's over on PerC who buy into the common ENTJ description, emulate it and exaggerate it, and that just makes things worse.

All of these sites are MBTI. The socionic descriptions of ENTj paint a totally different person. If anything the "assholeness" is more closer related to over-confidence or not correctly reading the situation more-so then egotistical posturing...or even Te self-rightousness (like the kind LSEs sometimes do).

**glam** · 08-25-2015, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by wacey

I believe its the ENTp and ESTps who are the bragging know-it-all jerks of the socion

depends on the person i think, but maybe all ExTx can be like this. LIEs and LSEs are certainly not always humble or nice, haha

**wacey** · 08-25-2015, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by glam

depends on the person i think, but maybe all ExTx can be like this. LIEs and LSEs are certainly not always humble or nice, haha

True. Yet I think that what they are is just "blind" and caught up in their version of what's Te correct instead of egotistical. Its the orientation towards Fi because unlike ENTp and ESTp, LSE and LIE are actually LOOKING for correction for misbehaviour, or at the very least amused by such correction.

**Kill4Me** · 08-26-2015, 04:11 AM

David Graeber...LII 5w6-8w7-4w3 so/sx

Graeber is LII 5w6-8w7-4w3 and Keny Arkana is SLE 8w7-5w6-4w3.

Jeremy Kyle...ESE 2w1 sp/so

2w1 vs 3w4: 2s have a line to 8 when they disintegrate and 3s a line to 9.

**Kill4Me** · 08-26-2015, 04:35 AM

Brene Brown....ENFp 2w1 so/sp

so/sp vs sx/so: no history of her having an addiction to risk that would qualify her for sx/so, nor even sx/sp.

note the unaffected joker face in almost all of brene brown's pictures.

https://www.google.com/search?q=bren...IVEDWICh2yrwG3

one way those so/sp 2 smiles will translate online in the 16types chat box is through the use of emoticons....so/sp types in the positive reframing triad (2-7-9) use a lot of smiley emoticons when they're 'shouting.' it's an easy way to tell apart so/sp 7w8 from sx/sp 8w7.

**wacey** · 08-26-2015, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by Kill4Me

Brene Brown....ENFp 2w1 so/sp

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Sweet you and I actually agree on something with Brene. Why not put her in the Delta thread instead of the alpha one?

**Sol** · 08-26-2015, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Kill4Me

Brene Brown....ENFp

Brene Brown - introvert
ENFP is delta

**wacey** · 08-28-2015, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by Sol

Brene Brown - introvert
ENFP is delta

Brene is not an introvert, she pretty much sums up ethical extroversion types. Take at look at her TED talks, among others for evidence. Plus, she is a clinical psychiatrist/psychologist who helps others with emotional/ mental health issues. The writing is on the wall.

And just because you think that going around naming types using all caps is cool, doesn't mean you are going to start some kind of revolution.

It's XXXx for a reason in socionics, stop clapping lone star, no one else is clapping with you on this.

#deltaproblems

Really good for typing.

**Sol** · 08-28-2015, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by wacey

Really good for typing.

I saw several clips befor version, including this one. INTP, probably.

**wacey** · 08-28-2015, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Sol

I saw several clips befor version, including his one. INTP, probably.

Well there goes your street cred.... You calling her INTj?

**Sol** · 08-28-2015, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by wacey

You calling her INTj?

No. As you've seen above.
About "street cred". It's impossible where everybody has subjective match below 50% and meanwhile nobody has objective proof that he types good.
In case you about types notation. Using like "INTj" is senseless as word "INTJ" means only 4 preferences wich are identical or compatible in Socionics and MBT variants of Jung's typology. Idiotic arguments about "other functional model" (wich is just wrong in MBT for I-types as controverts to Jung) don't change the evidence that 4-letter notation is about preferences only.

**The Exception** · 08-28-2015, 04:21 PM

See my avatar.,

**Sol** · 08-28-2015, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by chips and underwear

See my avatar

people can fly. air resistance affects them.

**wacey** · 08-29-2015, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by Sol

No. As you've seen above.
About "street cred". It's impossible where everybody has subjective match below 50% and meanwhile nobody has objective proof that he types good.
In case you about types notation. Using like "INTj" is senseless as word "INTJ" means only 4 preferences wich are identical or compatible in Socionics and MBT variants of Jung's typology. Idiotic arguments about "other functional model" (wich is just wrong in MBT for I-types as controverts to Jung) don't change the evidence that 4-letter notation is about preferences only.

No they are not identical. For instance Si in MBTI is closer related to will sensor Se in socionics. But if you want to just argue that you are right and everyone else for the past 12 years since socioncs went English is wrong then I guess that is your prerogative.

Your street cred came from being Soviet.

**may** · 08-29-2015, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by wacey

True. Yet I think that what they are is just "blind" and caught up in their version of what's Te correct instead of egotistical. Its the orientation towards Fi because unlike ENTp and ESTp, LSE and LIE are actually LOOKING for correction for misbehaviour, or at the very least amused by such correction.

guuuuuu~~~~

:((((((((

**Oaky** · 08-30-2015, 02:00 AM

I can't tell if he's an ILE or SLE or anything else I might be blind to, but I'm leaning towards ILE.

Bill Burr

**Kill4Me** · 09-01-2015, 06:13 PM

Nikolas Schreck...LII 5w6 sx/so

schreck comes in through bobby fisher for 5w6

since he's a 5w6, that leaves LII and ILI as the only two possibilities for his socionics type, and imo LII is the better choice.

**Sol** · 09-12-2015, 01:16 PM

Serjeo - ENTP

**silke** · 09-21-2015, 03:39 AM

Danny Grozich (gradualreport) - SEI-Si so/sp

**ouronis** · 09-21-2015, 03:59 AM

FWIW, I get accused of being a know-it-all with a big ego constantly, though I don't really brag.

Being accused of being a know-it-all is not type-related, I don't think. Maybe NTs have the stereotype, but you know, people usually just use that phrase when they don't like what the know-it-all is saying.

**lynn** · 09-28-2015, 10:53 PM

Thomas Bernhard (writer) - ISFp sp/so (maybe so/sp?)

Thomas_Bernhard_S121_1977_Ottnang.jpg

**Emmym** · 10-01-2015, 12:42 AM

Tomi Ungerer - ILE, artist. Not sure about subtype. There's a fantastic documentary about him on Netflix called Far Out Isn't Enough.

**Kill4Me** · 10-16-2015, 02:41 AM

Osho...ILE 9w8 sx/so

**Beautiful sky** · 10-16-2015, 03:47 AM

Meekakitty is ILE
Those husband and wife Toyota commercial couple are also ESE and LII

**Sol** · 10-16-2015, 08:20 AM

Osho - ENFJ(?)

**The Reality Denialist** · 10-27-2015, 08:50 AM

This guy? INTj(-Ti*10x subtype). ADHD researcher Russell Barkley

Extreme Ti subtype. Seems to lack a lot in perceiving department. Not a greatest fan of xEEs. He clearly suffers from SDD = slacking deficit disorder. T base in any case.