I'm the opposite, i'm ILE and gushy. so, I dont think ethical equals emotional persé. Ethical types could be emotionally "gushy" or to the oposite emotionally "controlled". It's the level of control that varies between logicals and ethicals. Locals have a more hit/miss approach to emotionality, moods and or relationships in my opinion (more radical, or as some people put it less dimensional).Originally Posted by Suedehead
You're sanguine. So is woof, and he's considering switch from SEE to SLI these days. He's had his share of conflicts with EXEs and wants some paradise-like society, which fits delta > gamma stereotypically.
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I dunno if you're really ILE.
i think i'm melancholic, or at least, that was what test said I was waaaaaay back when I took them. I've been bouncier and happier last few years but I was one fatalistic depressed kid whay back ;-)
Also, gamma's scare me!
Neither am Ibut it's a nice fit, SEI as dual sounds awesome and Alpha in general is the most likely quadra for me. I don't really think i'm ethical though.... I don't have the mad people-skilzz stereotypically associated with those wizzards.
edit: and if i'm not ethical my point still stands, logicals can be gushy!
My overall impression is sanguine. Do you relate any to phlegmatic? How about choleric. As for gamma.... I'd say they're the melancholic quadra. Beta choleric, delta phlegmatic, alpha sanguine. One can go further: alpha CD cog EXXp positivist extravert NT EXTx sanguine or ILE quadra, beta DA cog EXXj negativist extravert NF EXFx choleric or EIE quadra, gamma HP cog IXXj negativist introvert SF IXFx melancholic or ESI quadra and delta VS Cog IXXp positivist introvert ST IXTx phlegmatic or SLI quadra. (this was aimed at refi)
To be on topic: I've thought of you as SLE too due to your dry, declarative-like, blunt, shrewd demeanor. (this was aimed at merc)
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This is aimed at suede?To be on topic: I've thought of you as SLE too due to your dry, declarative-like, blunt, shrewd demeanor.
First paragraph is aimed at you, refi. Second was at merc. Apparently I posted in the wrong topic.
was it only my impression or Silke has you as a SLE-something .Neither am I
Ah thxFirst paragraph is aimed at you, refi. Second was at merc. Apparently I posted in the wrong topic.
Not sure i'm understanding this at all.
I actually don't know what Silke's typing is of me. I'd need to ask her or see if she's maybe said something like that in my "type me" thread. However, many people think they see Ne and I don't really identify with Se/Si either (I'm kinda the dreamy don't notice something untill it's in my face type of guy).
edit: your quote in the other thread made me aware of what you mean
Its free form associations I guess. Stereotypically alpha is the childish, Ep-like, sanguine, nerdy (NT) quadra. You wouldn't really associate melancholy with alpha at an integral level now would you.
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Right, I agree with you!
One of the "problems" I have with typing and determining my type in particular is that I have strong differences in behaviour and even thinking. This is akin to, but not as severe as bipolar disorder as in, I switch between childlike alpha while high on energy (40% of the time) while I go to moody and extremely pessimistically delta?/gamma? behaviour when low on energy 60% of the time. I therefor find it hard to identify with types and or temperaments and such since there's a large fluctuation.
(don't go off now screaming i'm a bipolar!....too late ;-) )
Perhaps the best would be typing oneself at one's best. Everyone looks like shit at their worst.
In that case ILE seems a good enough description I think.
eh....I've seen way more "scenes" from ESE-Fes' temper tantrums than any other type.
Not inconsistent with SEI.
Again. SEI very much can be quiet introvert oriented towards personal connection.
You find a parent annoying, o my gosh.
Alpha are democrats and Fi-devaluers. There is no quadra where "group" carries less meaning.
Quite a low opinion of Fe you got there. You have defined it as superficial and even unemphatic. lol
I have a hard time picturing myself making a scene, really.
SEI have cautious Fe. They often come off as shy, reserved Alpha-introvert types. That's especially true for-subtypes. ILE are more prone to outrageous displays of
by comparison.
I tend to think of Fi vs Fe as guilt-based vs shame-based ethics. Fi types will try to guilt you into doing what they think is right, while Fe types will try to shame you into doing the same thing.
@Reficulris IEI and IEE are both way more likely than ILE imo.
Damn this is so spot on for the differences between me and my ex wive, I'd always appeal to the concequences of her actions where she was always trying to prevent me from shaming her.
I tend to be "clumsy" so i kinda sometimes make a fool of myself in public, like hitting children with my bag because I move wierdly...she on contrast has no problem with lying and that kind of stuff as long as no-one knows about it and will not feel guild afterwards.
If you'd be so kind to check in in this thread? i'd made it today to aleviate my doubts about my type@Reficulris IEI and IEE are both way more likely than ILE imohttp://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...dentity-Crisis!
I find it hard to decide between Fe and Fi, too. But that is only because Fe is associated with display of emotion and I'm living in a country, where people overall are not so bubbly and overenthusiastic and emotional (unless it's carnival or soccer world cup). So the standards are totally different. Whenever I get a little bit too hyper I'm reminded to calm down. I'm more comfortable with being able to express emotion, though. So, I guess for me it's Fe after all. :/
Love is like an energy, rushing in, rushing inside of me...
Check out NPA theory. Germany is NP habitancy (edit: scratch that, seems its polymorphic, could've sworn I've read it as NP tho). PA and NP both got poker face. A, NA and N are less restrained in general. For a nice pop culture comparison, PA and NP are probably more often blue, the rest probably more often red. Blue = melancholic, phlegmatic, red = choleric, sanguine.
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It's actually quite funny, whenever a German person starts to get a little bit more enthusiastic. ^^
Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAWPKowiCnY => that is somewhat like me, I would probably not start jumping around, but the laughter which sounds extremely retarded is a lot like mine and I also clap my hands I've been told.
Love is like an energy, rushing in, rushing inside of me...
Neither do I.
so very very true
Idk know if @Suedehead would, but I would/did.
tbh I can't really picture you in any other quadra than Alpha...Neither am I
edit: and if i'm not ethical my point still stands, logicals can be gushy!
When it comes to types the only thing that comes to mind is that whichever type you are (if you're in doubt), you're leading with an extroverted function...
and you do remind me of ILE, but you are a bit "gushier" - then again people vary and I'm supposed to bo shmoozy oozy sweetie pie, so...
it is very easy to relate to you so the only thought that shot through my mind was that if not ILE, you could be SEI-Fe but somehow leading with Ne seems to make more sense to me...and you don't seem LIIish, it's easier for me to relate to you than LIIs and ESEs but shhh...
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from my point of view separating the first sentence of Suedehead's statement from the second sentence entirely changes its meaning (either that or I completely misunderstood what he meant...?)
I understood it that what's important is for the relationships to develop spontaneously and not interfering into how two other people interact in an uncalled for manner (?)
I guess I'll have to clarify..
While I don't cross any obvious boundaries, I don't view the development of relationships as something that can be divided into discrete stages with specific restrictions...instead, I see it as a fluid exchange that can develop at any pace depending on the level of chemistry I have with the person.
Aww. That's pretty hilarious.
I hate being told to calm down when I get excited and and start Fe-ing haha. It feels very defeating and also shameful! It feels like I accidentally jizzed myself in front of people who don't appreciate public jizz, and I need to learn how to control my natural impulses so as to not be to ostracized or disturb others.
Depending on the extroverted and introverted types you're comparing I think Fe egos could seem similar behaviorally at times. Emotional expression may not be the best metric for that comparison, which is what it seems @Suedehead is concerned with in this thread, however something like an EIE and an IEI being similarly lethargic could often be the case.
Easy Day
Indeed how could they not care about it when that is what you see between you and them and behave according to.
Is there inherent distance between individuals? Sure. Is that distance serious? Not to Ne and Fe it isn't.
yeah, I was referring with my opinion strictly to what was mentioned in the OP
in general yes I agree there can be similarities, especially within quadras an certain functions in ego, but that didn't seem to be the main concern in the OP
Agreed on all accounts
Easy Day
After analyzing the dynamic between me and my mother, who seems to be SEI-Fe, I've noticed that I can't really relate to her emotivism and constant need for mirroring; in this sense, I'm clearly a constructivist. If I'm not in the mood for it, most of that Fe-prodding just bounces right off me; I'm much more likely to give a polite, subdued response than to go along with it spontaneously at the expense of my own moods and ruminations. While this is no knock towards her, I'm having a hard time seeing her as my identical.
Nonetheless, I realize that any further inquiry on my type will be redundant (especially after having received an admittedly unreasonable amount of feedback on the matter, which tells me that this 'typing in a vacuum' method isn't working), and that I'll be much better off stepping back from the typing process for a while so that I'll be able to observe my behavior and motivations naturally and eventually come to a comfortable conclusion...as opposed to putting every single behavioral trait under scrutiny - like I've been doing with these threads as of late.
Last edited by suedehead; 03-18-2014 at 02:57 AM.
None of your points against Fe are things that i notice in all Fe egos. However, all of the points you make for Fe are things that i notice in all Fe egos. And like someone said above, especially in the Base function subtype.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Suedehead, you may be new to this but i like the way you put out your thoughts in such a structured, perceptive,rythmic and sensible manner - seemingly using correctly what you learn
Seemingly? More like seamlessly.
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