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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Whyyyyyyyyhy? Oh why!!!!
    Manson is a sociopath, so when it comes to his particular method of conning, the thing to look at is his cognition. He's a possibilities guy. he could even see his vision of helter skelter reflected in something as trite as a Beatles track. reality is never set in stone with manson. the 'what is' never 'is'....you can pick up on this in his interview with Geraldo as he echoes constant contempt for reality. He describes reality as the true prison and himself as the free one. He has little grasp for the facts of his case and his thought process is all over the map. It's just an overlap of intuitions and an orgy of possibility. Se creative works in the realm of reality. A LSI would have been pulled into making their defense on factual grounds, even if they're using spin, manson would have shown some inkling of having built up a case, arguable on a rational ground. Manson makes no pretension for being rational. Instead he's spitting out grandiose visions....and because it was true Ne his intuitions had the capacity to command reflexive submission from people in search of a sidewalk 'guru.' In other words, he excelled at something almost exclusively the domain of Fe, Ne, and Ni. In the self-mythology he cultivates, it went that, after a race war, he and his followers would emerge out of the desert with him as the world's leader....that's some expansive cognition. a sociopathic don quixote.

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    Either INfj or istj
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    Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    I just ran across this, "A Phone Call With Charles Manson".

    http://www.theatlantic.com/video/ind...harles-manson/

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    You can also look at Manson's type relationally. ILE and SLE are look-a-like relations.





    Gotti is Manson's look-a-like. They have a similar VI. If you look closer, Gotti has an emptier expression in his eyes than Manson does but there's a similar shade inside the eyes, a deadness. Look-a-likes but not identicals.

    That's VI, now try it behaviorally.



    Courtney Love makes a better look-a-like for Manson than Michelle Pfeiffer does. Let me see you get a word in edgewise on either Manson or Love. Manson will talk your ear off until the cows come home. He's a classic ILE motormouth. Manson also has a harsher voice than Love does. That doesn't make him an introvert, though. Alexander the Great was noted for having a harsh voice and its pretty obvious Alexander was an extrovert...SLE-Ti to be exact.

    Physically, Alexander was not prepossessing. Even by Macedonian standards he was very short, though stocky and tough. His beard was scanty, and he stood out against his hirsute Macedonian barons by going clean-shaven. His neck was in some way twisted, so that he appeared to be gazing upward at an angle. His eyes (one blue, one brown) revealed a dewy, feminine quality. He had a high complexion and a harsh voice.

    SLE is the best choice for Manson's look-a-like moreso than ESI or LIE.

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    EIE? Don't know but he is nuts. Talks about real things.

    ILE? Oh yes... With this Fi PoLR and all we can go deep and affect them personally... oh wait...
    Sure, there are logical type cult leaders but the built a special system around it. Not based on personal charisma.

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    LSI-Se sx/so 6w7 is probably it.

    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    *Manson bump*

    Pretty sure he's an Fe leading type. No way LSI or something like that. Remember he was a musician by profession, very social and emotionally skilled. Sometimes during interviews he randomly breaks out into song. What do people think about ESE?
    This is straight from the LSI description: "... Often becomes the communicative center of a company. Gravitates to performance of romantic songs with a guitar in the spirit of the movie "Cruel Romance"."

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    EIE
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    I don't actually know, but he reminds me of my dad both with vi and with similar spazzy demeanor and I've never been able to really see my dad as anything other than Ti base in spite of the fact that behaviorally it seems weird, so seeing Manson typed LSI helps me think I'm not crazy.

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    Some people seem to assume crazy people are automatically sx first, esp sx/so, that’s not true at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    LSI-Se sx/so 6w7 is probably it.



    This is straight from the LSI description: "... Often becomes the communicative center of a company. Gravitates to performance of romantic songs with a guitar in the spirit of the movie "Cruel Romance"."
    This description is absurd. Manson is EIE. He took his ability to transmit a powerful emotional message and used it to make people kill and destroy. He was largely hands-off and let others do the actual acts of violence for him.

    If you want to go off descriptions then let's go on to the next sentence: "appreciates accuracy very much" Manson did not appreciate accuracy in any way...he thought he could convince people that he didn't do anything even though all the facts were clear that he did.

    "sober realist. Dislikes unsubstantiated speculations and reckless proposals." -- need I even explain?

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    He's a psycho sadist SMASH, but I think he makes an excellent point at 7:35-7:49 in @Kill4Me videos. "Do you need someone like that in your world."

    I always thought it was very telling that it's not so much that people do these things in society but society's obsession with it. We are the ones that gave him fame. And also in reverse, when people do truly kind things it often goes unnoticed. (not talking about stoopid charity events celebrities do so they will feel a little less narcissistic.) Society/government always had this unhealthy obsession when something bad happens to milk it for all eternity. OH MY FUCKING GOD IT'S JONBENET RAMSEY ON THE COVER OF ANOTHER MAGAZINE!

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    LSI, the phenomenon we're witnessing is -----> "Dissidence Listening" it follows the stream of left-hemisphere (really motor resonance from stored body maps) subvocalization (in contrast to right hemisphere object identification) and interjects or navigates 'directed attention' with a spatial map. This spatial map can be facts, self-image, or other exocentric models (as opposed to the egocentric body maps).

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    That is one nutty EIE.

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    He has very developed Creative Ni. Lots of really intriguing stream of consciousness.

    He is interesting to listen to.

    My favorite Charles Manson quote:

    "I didn't break the law. Jesus Christ told you that 2000 years ago."

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    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    This description is absurd. Manson is EIE. He took his ability to transmit a powerful emotional message and used it to make people kill and destroy. He was largely hands-off and let others do the actual acts of violence for him.

    If you want to go off descriptions then let's go on to the next sentence: "appreciates accuracy very much" Manson did not appreciate accuracy in any way...he thought he could convince people that he didn't do anything even though all the facts were clear that he did.

    "sober realist. Dislikes unsubstantiated speculations and reckless proposals." -- need I even explain?
    I went through a Manson fascination stage as a teen and read every book I could find. He did create a fantasy world of drugs, sex, music, emotion, and unity (sense of family) that lured in those looking for some kind of connection they weren't getting at home. So many of his followers were just teens. He manipulated their minds and emotions with great skill.

    I had just watched an episode of Walking Dead a couple days ago and I believe King Ezekiel is also EIE and has a "magic man" personality like Manson but Ezekiel's is in a more positive manifestation.


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    He is very smart and creative. He did what he did best as an EIE. Influence people. Too bad he did it in a bad way. He could have been a great performer and musician. It's sad.

    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    who is this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lump View Post
    I don't actually know, but he reminds me of my dad both with vi and with similar spazzy demeanor and I've never been able to really see my dad as anything other than Ti base in spite of the fact that behaviorally it seems weird, so seeing Manson typed LSI helps me think I'm not crazy.
    I have typed this vegan YouTuber Durianrider as a LSI, his style of talking has always reminded me of a lot of Charles Manson.


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    His music is actually quite good, some Se/Ni type, likely beta.

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    Hamlet – All the world's a stage.

    Something what Manson did very well.


    His speech most definitely lacks logic. (Durianrider very logically points out causal links.)

    He was all about adapting to interlocutor's psyche. EIE poster boy on his skill level, I might say.

    Creative or 3D is just that: get grip on flow. You know it is creepy how some people get sucked into it. Thanks to demonstrative potential decoding assisting where to carry it. Something to ignore most of the time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    LSI-Se sx/so 6w7 is probably it.



    This is straight from the LSI description: "... Often becomes the communicative center of a company. Gravitates to performance of romantic songs with a guitar in the spirit of the movie "Cruel Romance"."
    He reminds me of my last supervisor. Same eyes and I typed this guy LSI. K4 had him ILE

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    so many Betas are fascinated by him that he's probably one of them

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    He V.I.s as LSI-Se. I'm pretty sure that's what socionics type he was.
    I'm sorry, but I'm psychologically disturbed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Disturbed View Post
    He V.I.s as LSI-Se. I'm pretty sure that's what socionics type he was.

    ??

    I thought EIE would be obvious to everyone. There are so many videos of him to watch, no need to rely on VI.
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    LSI-Se seems the most likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roger557 View Post
    LSI-Se seems the most likely.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x73t56xfoQc

    Look at this video and tell me again that this dude has 1d Ne

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    I would have to explain very advanced socionics to you as to why what he is displaying in that video could be his HA... I'll toss IEI-Ni as another option for him.

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    He's most similar to EIE, IEI or ILI to me.

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