Type Olimpia

[maniac]

Typing people by what they wear almost never works. Its not reliable anyway. I have known a couple of triple positive types and esp core 7s dressing goth or dark. If someone dresses really weird what you can do is rule out the 369 tritype. But thats all. 4s are not the only type that sometimes dress 'weird'. Being unique is a universal need, so are all the Enneagram types needs. It's just over-exaggerated when its applied to a type, and deeply ingrained into the subconscious.

By the way, type 3s also need to be seen as unique way, but in a good "praise-worthy" way, whereas 4s subconsciously want to be seen as defective and unique in a negative way, like they want people to see them as the black sheep.

[Olimpia]

Maybe this is true for women, but I don't think you can extrapolate that to men, not straight men anyway.

I don't know any guys who are particularly interested in fashion, regardless of type.

Well, Neil Gaiman is an example of a straight male who dresses like a male 4w5.

Other examples are Tim Burton (459, EII-Ne), Robert Smith (496?, EII-Fi)...

Straight men who are SX 7 core and 4 fix, who also dress 4 fix: Russell Brand, Onision (both are IEE imo)

A 4 fix is unmistakable in the way someone dresses...

P.S: This makes me wanna make a video on the subject...

[Spermatozoa]

Well, Neil Gaiman is an example of a straight male who dresses like a male 4w5.

Other examples are Tim Burton (459, EII-Ne), Robert Smith (496, EII-Fi)...

I am not a 4, Olimpia.

[maniac]

A 4 fix is unmistakable in the way someone dresses...

Again, false. Your way of typing people is incredibly unreasonable.

robert smith is 4w3, 497. He has a lot of fantasy themes in his music videos. This is so 479:

[Olimpia]

I am not a 4, Olimpia. They are losers.

Yeah, that is why I you don't want to be 4...

Doesn't mean you are not 4...

P.S: Those guys aren't even losers, but alright...

[Olimpia]

Again, false. Your way of typing people is incredibly unreasonable.

robert smith is 4w3, 497. He has a lot of fantasy themes in his music videos. This is so 479:

Well fine, I was not exactly sure about his tritype, tbf.

Either way, you just proved my point. The way he dresses shows he is 4 fix.

[maniac]

He's so sensitive around being seen as a loser or something unattractive.. BECAUSE HE IS A 3.

[Spermatozoa]

P.S: This makes me wanna make a video on the subject...

You just want an excuse to talk about the men you find attractive

[maniac]

Well fine, I was not exactly sure about his tritype, tbf.

Either way, you just proved my point. The way he dresses shows he is 4 fix.

Just because certain fours dress similar to him doesnt mean that:
1. all people who dress similar to him are four or four fix
1. all people who are four or four fix dress similar to him

You seem to have a problem with seeing something as a coincidence. Like you dont understand the concept of coincidence and exceptions to patterns. Maybe thats what N polr in socionics is, I dont know.

[Olimpia]

Just because certain fours dress similar to him doesnt mean that:
1. all people who dress similar to him are four or four fix
1. all people who are four or four fix dress similar to him

You seem to have a problem with seeing something as a coincidence. Like you dont understand the concept of coincidence and exceptions to patterns. Maybe thats what N polr in socionics is, I dont know.

Nothing in the universe is a coincidence.

His particular style is a subset of "unique Type 4 styling". There are many different ways you can "look like" a 4.

There are so many examples... another one would be Tilda Swinton, who is So/Sp 4.

[Spermatozoa]

Just because certain fours dress similar to him doesnt mean that:
1. all people who dress similar to him are four or four fix
1. all people who are four or four fix dress similar to him

Tonight I want your babies

[maniac]

Tonight I want your babies

... ok

[Olimpia]

@Sol the poll is here, I am waiting for your vote.

[Sol]

@Sol the poll is here, I am waiting for your vote.

I'm waiting for normal voting with 16 types like most do here, as this is important for better discription of opinions about type, as I've explained.

[Olimpia]

I cannot change the poll.

[Sol]

I don't think I've ever baked cookies on my own before.

That's why you suffer. Repent and make some, already. The good mood and duals will come to you.

[maniac]

That's why you suffer. Repent and make some, already. The good mood and duals will come to you.

Don't know if you're serious but do you really think people are born into some kind of type that makes them predispose to being good at baking cookies and for it to be the thing they will focus most on in life and make them happy?

[Olimpia]

That's why you suffer. Repent and make some, already. The good mood and duals will come to you.

My life story: Hello, I became a Type 4 because I did not bake enough cookies in my life. =(

[Sol]

I can convey a whole range of facial expressions

You need be just natural and comfortable, as is said in the recommendations.

> and guarantee that most (if not all) of the V.I. enthusiasts on here would be fooled into typing me differently as a result of that. V.I.

The more useful info you give, the more chances you'll be typed correctly. You seems affraid of this and hence limit the info about yourself.

> is still not a reliable way to type someone in Socionics

It needs good skills to be correct, as any method. While you have nothing significant against this info for typing. The main your argument was "as I may grimacing this may mislead you". If you'll write bs in questionnaire this may too.
For a typer with good skills you'll can't mislead intentionally by nonverbal play, - he'll notice contradictions with highly more possibility than be misleaded, or will see your true self behind your incompetent tries to mislead. Or will see your play and say you to behave adequately like in the recommendations. If you'd was a trained actor and saw concrete example of human of the needed type to play - you'd have a chance, but that would be evidently is not normal typing conditions and the one who'd lose was you with incorrect type.
It's not so rare when a person read about socioinics, assigned himself a type and plays it - typers deal with this regularly. Nonverbal is the least way to mislead by such, unlike words.

> Enneagram does not examine information processing, it looks at your internal motivations and desires.

Wrong. Motivations and desires are part of information related to types. There is nothing special from pov of Socionics.

> You can't "visually identify" what someone is upset about and why

Hence from above, E-types may to have specific nonverbal. And they have it, what I've noticed in Nines. This may be checked by typing matching experiment, like I did with nonverbal typing. Unfortunately, unlike with Jung's types, I have no basis to be sure people have enough experience and hence skills in using this with E-types. Also I'm not sure still in E-types, as checked only 2 of them and on too short number of examples, so mb Enneagram is not correct enough as a whole. Maybe sometimes I'll read some books about Enneagram types and will check is their enough sense on practice. Like I did in past with Socionics as started as very sceptical to it and it took a couple of years to become relating serious to it, where a year was of intensive reading and practice.

> The rest is speculative, and anyone who tells you otherwise is nothing but a charlatan.

Enneagram and socionics are both speculative similarly. While what you've written is partly senseless and partly incompetent. So you may think youself as such charlatan, as you objectively said the misleading info. Like in your words about significant worse results of nonverbal typing compared to other popular methods, despite my objective experiment gave close results with questionnaires and even SRT-99 where IRL interviewing (though in lame conditions) was used. While to say that desires is not a kind of information on Socionics forum is just lol.

[Sol]

I became a Type 4 because I did not bake enough cookies in my life.

You could became depressive as tried to relate on Ni too much and too long. Cookies will save you. Amen.

[Olimpia]

You could became depressive as tried to relate on Ni too much and too long. Cookies will save you. Amen.

Haha! Are you for real?

[Sol]

do you really think people are born into some kind of type

yes

> that makes them predispose to being good at baking cookies

predispose to understand youself better with using own valued functions on practice and then to behave in better way for them
also Si types have more interest to cook better what makes their skills generally better in cooking (I'm not about any concrete people)

> the thing they will focus most on in life and make them happy?

as the switching from superego on ego will reduce depression, so yes in this case

[Sol]

Haha! Are you for real?

Let's call it cookietherapy. Cook something new for everyday during a month and your depression will reduce.

Imagine ESI which tries to use Ne a lot, for example by intensive nonverbal typing for everyday. Also she suffers from depression. We remove her from Socionics forums and assign everyday physical training. Guess the result.

[Sol]

I cannot change the poll.

remove the existing and make the new one

[WinnieW]

Let's call it cookietherapy. Cook something new for everyday during a month and your depression will reduce.

Thats the ultimate confirmation. Sol values
I already suspected that.
...but don't mess with me, my has 1D more than yours.

[Olimpia]

remove the existing and make the new one

? I don't think that's possible...

And I am not gonna open a new thread just for that poll...

[maniac]

Let's call it cookietherapy. Cook something new for everyday during a month and your depression will reduce.

Imagine ESI which tries to use Ne a lot, for example by intensive nonverbal typing for everyday. Also she suffers from depression. We remove her from Socionics forums and assign everyday physical training. Guess the result.

It makes more sense to work on the part youre lacking in, not your comfort zone. If you want it. Why would you avoid something just because it's hard?
People get depressed because they stay in their comfort-zone bubble, not because they try something different from what they feel like doing. Sure, there are some things some people just arent suited for, like me being a waitor or a kinder garten teacher but I'm saying you should try for something you really want, whether its foreign to you or not or hard.
Challenge motivates me, as long as i'm interested.

[Hitta]

I have 100% accuracy via VI of the butthole. Send photos.

[Sol]

? I don't think that's possible...

Yes. Just checked. The forum does not support the removing of votings. It's strange as should be easy to implement.

[Aylen]

@Olimpa

Have you thought of making a video on your current interest related to the harmony of the universe in your native language? Perhaps for non verbal typers it would look more natural? I don't know how long you have been bilingual but the switching could affect somehow and throw you out of a normal flow.

[at sirac son of sirac]

Elaborate?

Sorry friend,

I was just meaning, consensus is good, but you know yourself better, so whatever type is in your TIM, is better if you're comfortable with it.

Sorry for any confusion, I was typing on my phone, and I abbreviated a little too much when I replied.

It's for sure an interesting typing thread, you're very likeable. Lots of Fe. I thought about SEI when I first seen you, as you seemed a bit too light for IEI, as in, too grounded for Ni base, but then, that could mean IEI-Fe or even EIE is a possible if intuitive with good use of ethics and you seem to have good energy level.

The longer threads go on for subjects like this, the more confusing it can become, because, we can all overcomplicate things by continuing to think about it, so it might be useful to go back to your initial instincts and stick with it.

But, you're in good hands with @Sol and @Aylen, who seem patient and knowledgeable.

[Hitta]

 

00:25 - What do you study?
04:27 - What are your values?
04:53 - What else do you do on a daily basis?
06:25 - Describe your relations with family.
09:12 - What do you look for in friends and romantic relationships?
15:25 - Do you use sarcasm a lot?
16:52 - Scary movie or happy endings?
16:58 - What is your eye color?
17:07 - Where were you born?
17:16 - How tall are you?
17:43 - How would you describe your fashion sense?
19:41 - What is the purpose of life? What do you find personally meaningful in life?

You seem more grounded than you used to.

[Olimpia]

You seem more grounded than you used to.

Ironically, I don't feel grounded much at all atm.
My state can fluctuate...

[Alomoes]

Hey, if ESE, can you prove that by being a conflictor. Because that would be helpful. Like go out and find things to shut me down. I really don't know. What do conflictors do? Like repel each other?
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[Number 9 large]

Hey, if ESE, can you prove that by being a conflictor. Because that would be helpful. Like go out and find things to shut me down. I really don't know. What do conflictors do? Like repel each other?
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They kill eachother then drink eachothers blood.

Ask @Chae

[Alomoes]

Well, that's not legal. Uh hey, uh, how do you know you've done that?

[Olimpia]

They kill eachother then drink eachothers blood.

Ask @Chae

[Number 9 large]

Well, that's not legal. Uh hey, uh, how do you know you've done that?

ask chae, if shes not responding u know enough

[Sol]

What do conflictors do?

Generally nothing as too different types. They don't cross in the life in the degree you'd notice antagonisms. You have more chances of conflicts with superego.
To get IR effects in classical way you need to try informal IRL communication with some deal where both need to co-operate. The 1st effects you may notice is feeling tired after such communication, also you may feel more of anxiety, lesser confidence and etc. related to superego activation.

P.S. your type is doubful to be ILI if you are asking such funny questions. your style remind F types

They kill eachother then drink eachothers blood.

[Olimpia]

P.S. your type is doubful to be ILI if you are asking such funny questions. your style remind F types

It reminds me of Fe valuing types. Could still be Logical, tho.