Originally Posted by glam
If its just for ceremony anyway, then the actual meaning of the headdress is an artifact removed from the actual act. The war bonnet was rewarded to warriors and as there have not been any warriors for a long time, the headdress is now lost to history. Its symbol is just one of pure belief which makes it only powerful to a believer.
Cultural appropriation is not always viewed as a negative thing.
Seems like a lot of hipster girl-women are wearing headpieces of various kinds. I've met some who wear garlands of flowers every day. In Manhattan.
@glam
You are kind of right, it cannot really be argued fairly.
Saw a LOT of flower headdresses when I went here last year....
Shambhala Music Festival 2014 in British Columbia.
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Edit: deleted due to oversharing.
Thanks for the link.
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I have a crown of daisies but never wear it. I just have it on display. As a child I would sit and make jewelry out of daisies, for hours. It was so much fun to give it to to my friends and family when I was done. I felt all warm and happy inside when they made a big deal out of it.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Awe, memories are awesome, its like they connect us to our identity.
Hi, @glam.
For an expanded view on the native Americans, read "Empire of the Summer Moon", which tells the story of Cynthia Ann Parker, who was kidnapped by Comanches and was also the subject of John Ford's great movie "The Searchers".
The book is both graphic and harrowing and changed my views on primitive tribes altogether, and not for the better. I actually had to stop reading in a few places and take a break.
My financial advisor is 50% Lakota, 100% intelligent and ILI, and he occasionally wears a headdress for fun, at get-togethers that look like Burning Man to me. Those pictures he showed me are crazy fun, very different from what his ancestors were doing. Culture matters. His four office walls are each painted a different color according to the points of the compass, with one color for the spirit world, the other three for I forget what. He's good at what he does. He's also pretty cool, just like Lana's boyfriend.
Yeah...
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
She look like she got some good walls. I'm finna go deep inside.
wtf man
Type the walls?
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
With his cock I presume
Type the walls?
Well, @End claims men have two brains, so why not?With his cock I presume
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I think she's IEI, I couldn't find a better fit for her.
I claim everyone has two brains. Boys and girls have a big head (the brain), and a little head (the reproductive organ). Most people think primarily with the little brain and thus tend to make all kinds of terrible decisions. The big head has way more processing power than the little one, but the little one, it's dreamer. It's a motivational speaker. Go ahead, be a sexual libertine, you'll be fine! (Note: No, that probably won't end well for you. Lothario's tend to get stabbed, and sluts die alone in disgrace) Plus it is oddly very good at hacking the big head somehow. This makes sense from certain standpoints, as it is rather necessary to reproduce in order to preserve the species the big head probably has a convenient "back door" that allows the little head easy access to sysadmin privileges. Once you got those, it's game over.Well, @End claims men have two brains, so why not?
I need to do more research to be sure of these things however, but that's just my preliminary analysis of all this.
In biology, 'intelligence', in the broadest sense of the term, refers to the ability of an organism to adapt to its environment through learning and through shaping the environment, the organism employing its cognitive abilities to do so. 'Intelligence', in that sense, translates as the ability of an organism to exhibit such adaptive plastic behavior (Stanovich 2009)
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Intelligence_%28biology%29
Human intelligence is sexually attractive, and strongly predicts the success of sexual relationships, but the behavioral sciences have usually ignored the interface between intelligence and mating. This is the first serious scholarly effort to explore that interface, by examining both universal and individual differences in human mating intelligence. Contributors include some of the most prominent evolutionary psychologists and promising new researchers in human intelligence, social psychology, intimate relationships, and sexuality.
https://www.routledge.com/products/9780805857498
Edit: Sorry @suedehead. Somehow I keep quoting you.I think I had checked something next to your post by "accident".
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
My take on her is that she's some Fi and/or Si person who is either E4 or is merely playing the "artiste" role such that she seems like an E4, and people are confusing that for IEI.
Honestly -- I'm gonna say NOT IEI anymore.. No IEI I know is this awkward and gangly.. she just doesn't have natural creativeimo anymore. ESI? She seems Ixxj in her movements and demeanor. Very rigid, not flowy at all. I think Golden was very accurate when he said Fi or Si type acting IEI for the media and her image.
Even very Ni-IEI females are more elegant and just.. more vibrant than she is. She seems dead inside. Maybe that's just her though. Haha I'm drinking the haterade majorly today.
I've considered SEI for the longest time due some measure of relaxedness and sensuality in her interviews
until I noticed that she reminded me of an IEE porn star that Park has posted up somewhere in delta subforum
and that she looks awfully a lot like Fen, who self-typed as IEE/SEE
I think Lana being sp/sx is giving her a feel of insularity and muted containment which could be mistaken for Si/Ni introversion
either IEE or ESI feels fine but she doesn't quite have that edginess of FiSe of Gamma SFs
Honestly -- I'm gonna say NOT IEI anymore.. No IEI I know is this awkward and gangly.. she just doesn't have natural creative
Even very Ni-IEI females are more elegant and just.. more vibrant than she is. She seems dead inside. Maybe that's just her though. Haha I'm drinking the haterade majorly today.
You must have grabbed all of it because her critics seem not even to be having a sip w/ her latest album reviews.
You're definitely right; this is how I feel about Lana, she is ISxj ish to meHonestly -- I'm gonna say NOT IEI anymore.. No IEI I know is this awkward and gangly.. she just doesn't have natural creative
Even very Ni-IEI females are more elegant and just.. more vibrant than she is. She seems dead inside. Maybe that's just her though. Haha I'm drinking the haterade majorly today.
INFj 3w4 sx/sp
That's the observe and mimick cognition of EII...and also the way to tell apart EII and IEI.What would you say to your fans?
Find someone who has a life that you want and figure out how they got it. Read books. Pick your role models wisely. Find out what they did and do it.
She reminds me a little bit of Kore. Not what she says but over all energy. Kore is far more aware and assertive though. Lana just seems so timid in the video above. They both have a very "soft" way of expressing themselves on video. I don't think Lana is EII. I like sx/sp or maybe sp/sx (less likely) for Lana and 3w4 is ok but I think it is more likely she is 4w3~6w7~9w1, seeker type, to be specific. She is too warm for contra flow (if that is really a thing).
- Introjection (German: Introjektion) is a psychoanalytical term with a variety of meanings. Generally, it is regarded as the process where the subject replicates in itself behaviors, attributes or other fragments of the surrounding world, especially of other subjects.
4) Fours use introjection to avoid ordinariness and maintain a self image of being authentic. Positive introjection is an attempt to overcome the feeling of deficiency by seeking value from an idealized experience, work or relationship and internalizing this through the emotional center. This also leads to negative introjection: Fours tend blame themselves for whatever goes wrong in personal relationships. Their experience of loss or abandonment can take form inside as a self-rejecting voice (a negative introject) which leads to pervasive feelings of unworthiness.
http://www.enneagramwork.com/defense_systems.html
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
In the above video I mainly see body dysmorphic disorderish stuff, it's very hard to look at, wow.
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Ok, imagine yelling at her to get MOVING!
She would freeze up and get flustered. Afterwards she would be indignant.
I wonder if she is on xanax or something. Like when she is singing.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I think she is just very self-possessed.
On a funny note, her face is a bit like a barbie doll, Her muscles hardly move. Her lips are hard to look at.
She has had some kind of injections to her lips to puff them up. They don't open and close completely and they aren't even symmetrical. She may also be using a lot of Botox. This is why I see a dysmorphia problem (since she's also had more drastic plastic surgery.)
The effect actually reminds me a little of my mom because she had Bell's palsy when I was little and the nerves in her face were damaged.
She's not an sx 4, waaaay too hollow. Her and Fiona are worlds apart imo. Fiona is all about raw emotions pouring out, Lana is all about being "young and beautiful" and her fancy hipster videos, which are all image over substance . Who is she when she's not this made out modern Nancy Sinatra?
I went with 4 vs. 3, because of the following reasons.
For contrast: My example for a 3 is Heidi Klum - SEE E3w2 sx/so (maybe so/sx). I have watched her in some shows. She is all over the competency. Her first and foremost priority is getting the job done, mastering the challenge. Petty insecurity or doubting is not what she is about. I remember, when she had some turmoil in her personal life, there was not one incident, where I would say, that her E3 professionalism really slipped. She has more of being in control quality. I remember her talking about her start in the modeling business. How she had to run from casting to casting. There are thousands of girls. They come, walk and then it’s like ‚thank you. Done. You have to stand out among the masses. The more you hear her talk, the more you know, that she has that awareness of ‚what works, what doesnt‘. That’s E3 (image) pragmatism for me. She also talked about , how in one photo shooting a photographer was pretty hard on her, because she was not performing how he wanted. She talked about how she learned to smile ‚that smile‘. Like how she worked until she got it right. When you heard her talk about it, she was really matter of fact about it. She went from that, to telling you, that you have to perform in this business, even if you don‘t feel like it. Lana in contrast can come across as more insecure and doubting (SNL performance). An E3, like Heidi, would ruthlessly weed this out and kill this part of themselves in their working persona. Sophistication and Skill is what they aim for.
Another things is, that Heidi has a more positive and cheerful presentation. That’s how she views professionalism. In her show, she always has a good word for the girls ,who keep it up‘, who create a positive atmosphere, who are energetic/fun. It’s not so much about creating a glossy veneer. There is more of an aspect of not letting out the weakness or letting yourself get dragged down too much, mixed with ‚smile and the world smiles with you, cry and you cry alone‘. Personal feelings have to take more of a back seat in order to get the job done. It’s more of a ‚can do‘ attitude, of keeping yourself upright. It‘s not too much about beeing phony or faking, more of trying to overlay deeper currents (that you might not like to deal with rn) with something positive (so to speak), so that you can keep going on, keep moving forward (see what Don Draper has to say about this).
4s in contrast seem more like to battle with these deeper currents. They are not trying to overlay too much. If you want to be mean, you could say that they can get stuck in their deeper emotions. Like Lana said in that one interview, how she seems to be singing about the same person and is gonna love him forever (Singing about the same person, relishing in the pain of it over and over again?) Integrating these deep heavy melancholic tones, like Lana, into her professional, working persona is something, that I think would be totally foreign to someone like Heidi Klum. For her it’s more ‚I’m gonna make it‘ ‚the show must go on‘ (makes me think of Moulin Rogues, which I see as an Beta E3 movie). Really just contrast the archetypes, that they try to embody. Lana is more along the lines of outcasted, troubled, doubting, searching females. Music videos seem like they try to catch sth. out of another time (yearning, longing of 4). Heidi is more about the Victoria Secret Angel, sophisticated, sexy, successful, the modern women.
Just spin the attitudes futher and more differences between 3 and 4 will emerge. The 3 attitude can create friction/a divide between the working persona and them as a private person, when they have a workaholic slant. Just generally a divide what they are showing and what they might be really feeling. I sense more of this divide in Heidi Klum. It’s like her deepest emotions and thoughts are private. They are not bleeding into her working persona. Lana's career is build up on the total opposite. I don’t know if I’m the only one who thinks, that in her art, in her expression, we get a lot of personal content. Her style, despite what people say about made up, still reeks too much of what her emotional landscape looks like. I’m not saying, that she is not ambiguous. But for me it’s more along the line, that you shouldn’t take it too literal with her (hence my typing of intuitive>sensing). Just take in the images, the music, her style without any pre formed judgements. Like drawing the straight line between her music to how she really lived like. Just experience it. I don’t know why, but I don’t feel myself too much reacting to the ‚modeled‘ persona. It’s like deep down I get the impression that she started out as Lizzy and things where not going that well, then she turned the wheel and I always felt like Lana Del Rey was someone, that always lived inside her and she just jumped for it and gave life to that part of her.
The whole quality of it, it doesn’t remind me too much of an oversell. It’s more like a young person, who had this always deep inside her (this dream) that they honed in their childhood, which gives it this quality, like it’s not too much touched by ‚cruel reality‘ and they are just a little bit afraid of showing it all, because they got laughed at by some person or who is always seen as naive and got underestimated by others, you know not really taken for full and who got a bit defensive and cautious and who wanted to prove themselve because of that. But with all the backlash and all the machinations of the industry, she seems a little bit struggling here and there.
Re. sexual 4: She is more about expressing female archetypes. These archetypes deal somehow with sexual 4 imaginery for me. E4 with themes like longing and shame, and with Lana it gets bleed out in the intimate area (sexual subtype). It’s THE base compenent of her art. And it’s not just like reducing the sexual instinct to relationships. There are probably thousands of singers who cover that area. Lana is really striking a cord with whatever she is doing with her artist persona, her style. Just look at this thread, just look at other comments on the internet, people have a reaction to her. She is the most streamed female artists on spotify right now. Even before Rihanna and Beyonce!
Sexual 4. Envious Competition.
I love you more than those bitches before.There is probably more, but I‘m too lazy to dig it up all now. But you get the gist. It's more like the 4 quality of something deeply individualistic and the sexual instinct, combine to the desire to be the only one. Would be interesting to see if/how she moves to sexual 1 - Jealousy. This is just my guess/take on it. I think you can make arguments for both sides. This is just my personal stand. On a personal note: I like her melancholic pieces. They make you feel heavy around the heart. It’s soothing. I listen to her sometimes before I go to sleep. It brings me down. One thing though ‚he hit me and it felt like a kiss‘. Romanticizing of domestic abuse ... NO.The other woman has time to manicure her nails, the other woman is perfect where her rival fails.
Some Sources: assertive vs. withdrawn, moving against vs. moving away, Naranjo 'Character and Neurosis' Chapter E3 and E4.
Poor Self-image: The most striking of traits from the point of view of the number of descriptors in it is that which conveys a poor self-concept. Included among the specific characteristics are not only “poor self-image” itself, but others such as “feeling inadequate,” “prone to shame,” “sense of ridicule,” “feeling unintelligent,” “ugly,” “repulsive,” “rotten,” “poisonous” and so on. Even though I have chosen to speak of “bad self-image” as a separately (thus echoing the appearance of an independent conceptual cluster of descriptors) it is impossible to dissociate the phenomenon of envy from this bad self-image, which object relations theorists interpret as the consequence of the introjection of a “bad object.” It is such self-denigration that creates the “hole” out of which arises the voracity of envy proper in its clinging, demanding, biting, dependent, over attached manifestations.Refinement: An inclination to refinement (and the corresponding aversion to grossness) is manifest in descriptors such as “stylish,” “delicate,” “elegant,” “tasteful,” “artistic,” “sensitive,” and sometimes “arty” and “affected,” “mannered” and “posturing.” They may be understood as efforts on the part of the person to compensate for a poor self-image (so that an ugly self-image and the refined self-ideal may be seen as reciprocally supporting each other); also, they convey the attempt on the part of the person to be something different from what he or she is, perhaps connected to class envy. The lack of originality entailed by such imitativeness in turn perpetuates an envy of originality—just as the attempt to imitate original individuals and the wish to emulate spontaneity are doomed to fail.
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I'm not going to fight if Lana is 3w4 or 4w3, coz I'm not sure myself (as I said, I type her 3w4 sx/sp) and a bunch of other people can't tell either, but I don't think you perfectly understand where the divide between 3 and 4 lies in theory. I's not that simple and it depends on variants and sociotypes A LOT (comparing LIE 3w2 so/sx with let's say IEI 3w4 sx/sp is unrealistic). You're oversimplifying things and that's why 4's are way over-typed imho. It's like every depressed and introspective person is nowadays a 4, no matter how mainstream and basic bitchy they are. Also Lana's lyrics like Ride speak way against her being a 4. You also have over-simplified view of 3. Type 3 is not so much about achieving and being business-like as it is about image seeking in different ways - some 3's only do "prettiest" and nothing else. There's a bunch of unconventional artistic 3's (hello, Andy Warhol) and even depressed and shy 3's. Sexual 4's are EXTREMELY rare ime. I only know one person who I type sx 4 and she's exactly like descriptions and NOTHING like Lana in vibe (she's like a fiery charismatic weird ball of angry energy and competition - compared to her I, as a sx 3w4 come across as a straight out 9).
To me even the fact so many people pick up on Lana's supposed fakeness and call her a poseur speaks volumes. Which E4 artist is being called out on his/her inauthicity as much as her?
sx/sp 3 description: (oceanmoonshine)
Sexual/Self-pres
This subtype can appear almost Four-like. They can be dramatic and appear introspective, especially with the Four wing. There is an on and off quality to these Threes. They can be very emotional and then become very business like. It’s not uncommon to find this subtype in the arts, especially as actors, singers or performers. The outward sexual energy coupled with the secondary self-pres energy can cause these Threes to focus on projecting an image of themselves to the world. They will seek validation in the area of their persona. This type especially wrestles with the authenticity of the persona/image they create. On the one hand, the image protects the real self, but at the same time they hate the image they project. This subtype is likely to be in a constant state of flux when it comes to the image they project and for this reason, they run the risk of burn-out and disillusionment. They are more prone to depression than the other subtypes.
When healthier, these Threes begin to trust their intimate relationships, and begin to disentangle the real self from the flux of partial identities they create. They learn that being vulnerable is necessary if they are to get what they really want, which is to reveal the real self and trust that they are lovable even with their flaws.
Sexual Threes (according to Beatrice Chestnut)
The Sexual Three - "Charisma"
The victory or goal that the Sexual Three subtype is interested in (that expresses this Three’s vanity) is one of sex appeal and beauty rather than money or prestige-but they are just as competitive in pursuing these goals as a business executive is in work matters. In this Three, vanity is not denied (as with the Self-Preservation Three) or embraced (like the Social Three); rather, it's somewhere in between, being employed in the service of creating an attractive image and promoting important others.
The Sexual Three is sweet and shy and not as extroverted as the Social Three-especially when it comes to speaking about himself. It's hard for these Threes to promote themselves, so they often put the focus on others they want to support.
Although they are just as capable as the other Threes of achieving worldly success through competence and hard work, these Threes don't feel the need to achieve goals in the external world because their focus is much more on pleasing and making themselves attractive as a way of earning love. They see their accomplishments in the successes and happiness of the people around them.
Sexual 4's on the other hand:
Sexual Fours are usually arrogant, despite having an underlying sense of inferiority. In the face of the pain of feeling misunderstood, an arrogant attitude is adopted as overcompensation- a means of being recognized. These Fours like being part of “chosen” group, and they can be very elitist. They may refuse to feel indebted to anyone, and they may have the sense that they have the exclusive right to feel offended by the lack of consideration of others. Any criticism or reproach is seen as an affront or disqualification.
Envious anger dominates the expression of this subtype's unconscious instinctual impulses. Sexual Fours' deeper instinctual motivation is about a refusal to suffer the pain brought about by envy, and a need to reduce suffering by projecting the responsibility for meeting their needs onto others and minimizing others' accomplishments in comparison with their own.
Sexual Fours “make others suffer” because they feel that they have been made to suffer and so need some sort of compensation. They may seek to hurt or punish others as an unconscious way of repudiating or minimizing their own pain. Naranjo observes that this tendency of this Four can be summed up by the phrase, “Hurt people hurt people.” Externalizing pain helps them ease their inner sense of inferiority. Their relationship to suffering can thus best be understood as a refusal to suffer. This gets expressed as an active insistence on their needs being validated and met. (They want with anger.) More shameless than shameful, Sexual Fours are vocal about expressing their needs; they rebel against any shame connected to their desires. This subtype follows the life philosophy that “the squeaky wheel gets the grease.”
When others experience Sexual Fours as demanding, this can lead to a pattern of rejection and anger: Sexual Fours get mad when others don't meet their needs, but their demanding nature causes people to avoid or reject them, and then they get angry about being rejected. This type can thus get trapped in a vicious cycle when rejection leads to protest and protest leads to rejection.
The Sexual Four is more assertive and angrier than the other subtypes. Naranjo refers to this Four as the “mad Four” as opposed to the “sad” (Social) Four. These Fours can be very outspoken with their anger because expression of anger is their way of defending against painful feelings. When they unconsciously turn their pain into anger, they don't have to feel their pain anymore.
These Fours may even seek to hurt or punish others as a way of repudiating or minimizing their underlying pain. They feel justified in pointing to others as the source of their deprivation or frustration, which serves as both a distraction from their own role in their suffering and a plea for help and understanding.
Naranjo says that this Four subtype can be the angriest personality among the Enneagram types. They may express envious anger as a way to establish or assert power when they feel inferior at a deeper level, which can be a way to manipulate situations to their advantage. (This kind of anger was the impulse between the Frenchrevolution: “I envy the rich, so I'll organize a revolution.”) And Sexual Fours can be very impulsive. They want things immediately and have little tolerance for frustration.
Naranjo calls this type “Competition,” and Ichazo called it “Hate.” While this type can be both hateful and competitive, it is important to remember that the competition and hate expressed by this Four represents a deeper need to project their sense of suffering and inadequacy outward. The painful sense of envy felt by the Sexual Four can motivate a wishing with anger, or a sense of “Ive got to get what I need, both to convince myself that my needs aren't shameful, and to feel better about myself with respect to others.” Their competitiveness and anger is a compensation for and a defense against the hurt they feel underneath.
These Fours like and need emotional intensity. Without intensity, everything can seem unbearably dull and boring. When Sexual Fours want somebody's love, they can be very direct about asking for what they need, or can become “extraordinary”- make themselves seem special and attractive and superior- in an effort to attract it. In line with their natural intensity (fueled by both their heart-based emotional temperament and their sexual instinct), these individuals tend to be more present and available in relationships because they don't deny or avoid many of the factors that can inhibit others relationally, like anger, neediness, competitiveness, arrogance, and having to be liked all the time. However, at times it may prove difficult for them to maintain a loving attitude because they confuse sweetness and benevolence with being false or insincere.
Sexual Fours are most likely to be confused with Type Eights or Sexual Twos. Like Eights, they have easier access to anger than most types, but they differ from Eights in the wider range of emotions they regularly feel. Naranjo points out that Eights often don't need to get angry, whereas this Four frequently feels misunderstood or envious, so they may show anger more often. They can also look like Sexual “Aggressive-Seductive” Twos (because both types can be aggressive and seductive in relationships) but the Sexual Two is more oriented toward pleasing others.
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I think Lana's a SEE-Fi subtype 3w2 sx/sp
Considering she her previous image of "Lizzy Grant..." I think someone scouted her and thought they could make her into a product and redid her image for her, and Lana just decided to buy into the business plan. I actually kind of doubt her 4ness in every way.
I think she's has a characteristic softness that some SEE have but it's just a front, behind it is someone who wants to be the headliner of whatever scene they're in.
Pretty much, in terms of image. She kind of gave up on trying to have her image align with her actual life by the time her 3rd album came about because there were so many missing links. Her first major album in 2012 was backed by her millionaire father, which is pretty obvious given how the stark contrast between her earlier works' production and music videos.Considering she her previous image of "Lizzy Grant..." I think someone scouted her and thought they could make her into a product and redid her image for her, and Lana just decided to buy into the business plan. I actually kind of doubt her 4ness in every way.
As to her 'front', it stops at her image, IMO. Her music always had a dark, submissive/subservient quality mixed with a languid jazzy phrasing.
But unlike Kate Bush, Bowie, or even Madonna, Lana stays in character so much that I truly don't think there is a any point in typing her.
I be over there, shawty I be over there..I be hittin' all the spots that you ain't even know was there. And you don't even have to ask twice, You could have my heart, or we could share it like the last slice..Always felt like you were so accustomed to the fast life, Have a nigga thinking that he met you in a past life. Sweat pants, hair tied, chillin' with no make-up on..that's when you're the prettiest, I hope that you don't take it wrong.
I think you girls are just jealous.
i thought she was sx-second
EDIT: also, i agree with whomever said that Lana's not-moving-in-the-right-way face is ... scary
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Hard to type because she seems to hold a part of herself in interviews and obviously has a couple of problems, but her music screams IEI. Her work basically consists of dreamy emotional atmosphere, expression of melancholic inertia and all that "honey, give me Se" shit.
I can see why some people think she is a Gamma introvert, though. Even if she is IEI, her creative function is quite inhibited.
Trying to understand or capture what a person is about, their inner workings, is still very much complex. You sometimes only have the help of material out there - what has been said and done or written before (added my sources to my previous post, so to know where I'm coming from... yadda yadda). But every system has it’s limits and in digging deeper, trying to encompass more, you have to stretch your very own limits of perception. But maybe you will always be limited, because as it has been said by someone before ‚we don‘t see things as they are, we see them as we are‘. Your awareness is lacking and you miss out certain fields/points, that are not accessible to your limited perception. Add not working from an inner source/understanding and the consequence is that your understanding/image of a person, your assessement of their character can be lacking, that it is too one dimensional, not finely shaded or differentiated enough or it is just completely off (well sometimes that's just how it is). Your critique is therefore noted and I understand it. Please excuse me, I don’t feel like writing a long winded ramble about this today (going back and forth, to or fro, 3 or 4). I think an argumentation of sx 3 -> occupation with female/masculine ideal -> connection to sx 6 -> strength and beauty -> connection to sx 9 -> merging and a disconnect from the sx 4 description and an added layer to what an enneagram 3 is about, is valid. I also wanted to note, that I wanted to add the fact into my post, that they have different sociotypes, which can augment my perceived divide further, but sometimes it's tiresome to write with all the 'could be' 'in my opinion' 'my guess' 'this is of course not a scientific theory' etc. I'll leave it at that.
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