Olimpia : ESE
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Your theme is still without the voting. You are just affraid!
Olimpia : ESE
19..-2k...
Your theme is still without the voting. You are just affraid!
What voting? I don't need a voting.Originally Posted by Sol
Olimpia : ESE
19..-2k...
Your theme is still without the voting. You are just affraid!
I am too lazy to set it up.
Why would I be afraid? It is not like someone is randomly gonna come out of the woodwork, screaming:
I AM GONNA KILL YOU.
No surprises here. Unless someone decides I must be Delta ST.
P.S: I just created this channel because I wanted attention tbh.Not because I actually felt like I needed to be typed, ha.
LOL I was just thinking that.What voting? I don't need a voting.
I am too lazy to set it up.
Why would I be afraid? It is not like someone is randomly gonna come out of the woodwork, screaming:
I AM GONNA KILL YOU.
No surprises here. Unless someone decides I must be Delta ST.
P.S: I just created this channel because I wanted attention tbh.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
That literally confirms youre a 3 wing. You cant even argue this away.P.S: I just created this channel because I wanted attention tbh.
It would be easier to have a consensus, unless your own impetus drives you.What voting? I don't need a voting.
I am too lazy to set it up.
Why would I be afraid? It is not like someone is randomly gonna come out of the woodwork, screaming:
I AM GONNA KILL YOU.
No surprises here. Unless someone decides I must be Delta ST.
P.S: I just created this channel because I wanted attention tbh.
Nah. A lot of people of various types make these kinds of threads for attention - consciously or unconsciously. I think that indicates self-awareness on Olimpia's part, first and foremost.
5 is secretive and self-withholding, so no. Besides, her 3-wing is super obvious.
It's not like she started the thread on the premise that she was looking for attention. She withheld that for 11 days.
She just said the reason she started it was because she wanted attention, so yes. Whether she confessed it or not is irrelevant.
5 is about withholding information about themselves, protecting themselves to remain bulletproof, sort of like a mental version of an 8. It is a power type along 2 and 8.
Why I created the first video, which I made private after a couple of hours:
To get out of my head/emotional inner turmoil and become more optimistic/get out of a downward spiral, and to connect with people.
Why I posted it on here:
To get fast and immediate feedback. To get an idea on what I come across as in that video. To have some fun with you guys.
@Olimpia
You are a special snowflake. We have to establish Socionics 2.0 first to type you correctly...
I narrowed your type down to SEI vs. IEI, and I decided with 50.01 percent "gut probablityTM": IEI
Normal voting should to have all 16 types. Such you'd see how much votes for S types, for example.
Cause you like to think yourself as IEI, while voting will show the number of other opinions.
> I AM GONNA KILL YOU
If I'd was LII mb I'd give you a meeting to try.
> I just created this channel because I wanted attention. Not because I actually felt like I needed to be typed, ha.
Because your unconscious T had doubts in IEI and wanted additionally to check your type. Then your artful F have used the situation opposite - you've (unintentionally partly) misleaded local typers by words in interviews to supress the doubts by the weight of their opinions.
> To get out of my head/emotional inner turmoil and become more optimistic/get out of a downward spiral, and to connect with people.
By accenting your attention on superego functions may lead to depressive symptoms. Better use your Si to make cookies. Number 9 wants some.
that was the most artful way Ive ever seen someone get told back into the kitchen
Wanting attention is 3 wing got it.
Yeah better make me cookies bitch
You are so savage, padavan. The better manners to use you need! Or will never you see neither cookies or own kids (they'll be from your neighbour with better manners).
Was that meant to be a double entendre?
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
.. yes. 3s wants the attention, wants to shine, be attractive. is this enneagram 101
wanting attention does not equal wanting to look successful. try again mate
double is the leastWas that meant to be a double entendre?
ok mate
3s want to be successful so they can shine=get attention.
That doesnt mean that anyone who wants attention is a 3
I changed my mind.
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When I think about it...I don't think I've ever baked cookies on my own before. ^^'
If I have, then the last time must have been 5 years ago.
It means that a four that posts videos or pictures of themselves to get attention, is 3 winged considering that the other wing is private secretive and selfwithholding. A 4w5 also just dont have the degree of social skills or charisma she has or the motivation to get that, even if soc first. Marilyn Manson is a soc first 4w5.. so/sp. Huge difference. Johnny Depp is so/sx 4w5. They dont care to look as socially good or stereotypically attractive and 'nice' and ESPECIALLY not welcoming, like she does. That comes from adding 3 to 4.
Compare their communication styles and it's obvious. The 4w5s are like "what am I doing here" where as Olimpia is OBVIOUSLY charismatic and concerned to make a stereotypically nice and welcoming impression, she wants to be likeable (3):
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Johnny Depp is Sp/Sx – Social blindspot. And yes, Sp/Sx people do not care for social attention.
Marilyn Manson is Sx/So 4w5. And he really does not want any attention? Seriously?
His entire look is attention-grabbing. He likes to shock people.
Not saying this is 3 wing, but yeah... It is certainly Sx/So, btw.
“We've always found that with people being so desensitized, things have to be really shocking and have to punch you in the face to get your attention. Then, once you've got their attention, you can say something they might remember.” ― Marilyn Manson
Now when it comes to me, you overlook the fact I've deleted my previous channel in a period where I've felt overwhelmed, which basically erased me from the public sphere. Almost no one in my personal life knew I made/make videos, except for one friend and some of my family members... No real-life friend or acquaintance of mine knows I am into Socionics... I keep my personal information compartmentalized. I do not like to reveal too much about myself. For the longest time I've kept my location private, until Chae tagged me and made it known I was from ---, which actually made me a bit uncomfortable back then, but then I thought "Fine, you have to get over it"...
Actually, one of the reasons why I made/make videos in English is also tied to the fact that I was afraid of people irl finding me. I liked the idea of having a safe distance from people by making my videos in English. No one in my real life would bother me and recognize me in public. I found comfort in that.
I vacillate between showing up in order to connect with people, and hiding/isolating myself from the world. I've found that this is the typical push and pull of So/Sx with Type 5.
Why not? Those are typical desires of So/Sx people. You just don't know enough true So/Sx 4w5 individuals. The 4w5 stereotype is Sp/Sx.
Also, who says my social skills and charisma are actually that great? It is one thing to seem one way on camera... I could have fooled several of you guys that I am an extrovert in the first video, but then in my other videos it becomes apparent I am actually an introvert. If you know how to act, you can mislead and fool people. Sol is convinced I am ESE trying to act IEI, which is a bit confusing to me, but I guess that's what happens if you try to seem socially well-adapted. It's my Fe Creative + So/Sx-ness that makes me want to come across as such, especially in videos – and it is also what makes me seem like an Alpha SF.
Anyhow, I am rambling. I know that you are convinced I am 4w3, and that's fine. In a way, it is a compliment.
I am wondering how you'd explain my lack of real-life experience, if not with the fact I isolate myself like a typical 5. I suppose you'd say it just boils down to 4 being a withdrawn type? But my lack of experience is actually somewhat outside of the norm, especially for someone who supposedly is 3 wing; and 3 being an "assertive" type...
Johnny Depp is so/sx. If he was sp/sx he would be way less socially smooth. That you type him soc last shows that you dont know what a 4w5 looks like at all.
Marilyn Manson is so very obviously soc first: all his songs are about social and his whole 'life meaning' is to disturb things in the social area, an intense focus on social. He doesnt really want attention himself, not the kind of attention youre after anyway, he wants to annoy people and for people to think hes ugly, as like a counter-phobic 4 thing. He is pushing his ugliness into everyones faces (4). This is not what you do, lol. You want to be likeable and 3ish. And hes super invested in social things, look up all the debates he has been on. soc first.
"the beautiful people" is a straight up social 4 song
I'm not going to keep argue with you, I've told you about a hundred times why youre clearly not 5-winged or fixed. But you keep being stubborn and ignorant because you think if you have some 5 it makes you smart or interesting. Similar to the way you have to type as IEI. Good luck with that.
Ha, interesting.I changed my mind.
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I used to tentatively type myself as 5w4 fix, but somehow it didn't seem right to me; I kept wondering whether I might actually be 6 wing, which in turn made me look down on the practice of including the wing in someone's tritype; I would say "It doesn't matter" etc, but this was just my way of avoiding the issue of typing my own fixes' wings.
Eventually I came to the conclusion I am actually w6 fix. I do have some little 6 influence. In comparison to 6 fix people, it is almost invisible, but it is there. I had unconsciously put my w6-ness into my "Shadow". Claiming it as a part of me wasn't easy, but I feel better now after having accepted it. It makes much more sense.
I do not think I am 9w1; I can come across as 9w1 (mainly due to my weak Se + 9 fix + So/Sx, I reckon), but based on the way I dress(ed) and have an issue with a loss of identity and a "personal niche", I just cannot be 9w1 core... Apart from the underlying struggle of falling into melancholy and self-hate at unhealthy levels. I attribute the typing as 9w1 core to my improved mental health. Years ago, when I was gothic and less mentally healthy etc., no one would have doubted I was 4w5. My Tumblr blog around that time actually reflects me being So/Sx 4w5 rather well. (The unhealthier someone is, the more they become like the negative stereotypes of their type...)
What I bolded is Sx/So 4.
Sx/So people can get involved in politics (as the revolutionaries) and generally be very focused on social issues.
Another good example of someone like that would be Russell Brand.
For an Enneagram core typing to be correct, you have to be able to see both aspects separately.
So/Sx on its own would never work as a typing for Manson. No one would ever go "Yes, he is So/Sx".
You try to make it fit with the fact he is 4, but even so, that doesn't truly work.
(Exceptions are "countertypes" like counterphobic 6.)
So/Sx is synflow and even the 4s of that stacking don't act like Manson.
Besides that, So/Sx 4s aren't "countertypes of 4" in any way...
Examples of So/Sx 4 individuals are Michael Jackson (3 wing and ESI) and Neil Gaiman (5 wing and EII).
The way that Neil dresses/V.Is reminds me of @Cuivienen.
Did you just insinuate that I'm mistyped because you think some dude who dresses a bit like me might be a 4?
I have been thinking you are a 4 for quite a while, I don't think that is news to you?
But no, I don't think you are So/Sx. You do seem to be Sx/So to me.
I just found it interesting that you guys V.I so similarly.
For the record, I am 100% certain of my Enneatype, and I am not a novice in this area unlike many people on the forum.
I can convey a whole range of facial expressions and guarantee that most (if not all) of the V.I. enthusiasts on here would be fooled into typing me differently as a result of that. V.I. is still not a reliable way to type someone in Socionics, but it is totally useless in Enneagram. The reason for that is simple: Enneagram does not examine information processing, it looks at your internal motivations and desires. You can't "visually identify" what someone is upset about and why, only that they are upset. The rest is speculative, and anyone who tells you otherwise is nothing but a charlatan.
@Cuivienen is not a 4. He's clearly a 3. Olimpia types Lady Gaga a 4 too so thats also amusing
There are surely limitations to V.I-ing Enneagram, but so far, every 4 (core and fix) I've known could easily be identified by the way they dressed; wanting to be "unique" and an Image type, it is natural for a 4 to dress in a way that is "odd" and makes them stand out.
Here's a random girl I saw on the streets some time ago. She can easily be identified as a typical Type 4 fix individual.
(I actually used to dress similarly, just minus the blue hair.)
Most 4s are usually quite easy to spot in public based on the way they dress.
P.S: Ime, 3w4 Sx/Sp individuals like Adam Lambert can seem Type 4 core if they dress the part... But it becomes obvious they are not 4 after closer inspection. Lady Gaga is 4w3 Sx/So, and her music and her dressing-up are her "art". Adam Lambert, on the other hand, is an entertainer (who doesn't write his own songs etc.) first and foremost, similar to Elvis. Adam is pretty much the 4 wing version of Elvis, whereas Lady Gaga is her own individual first and foremost. She's more like the female 3 wing version of Marilyn Manson.
Maybe this is true for women, but I don't think you can extrapolate that to men, not straight men anyway.
I don't know any guys who are particularly interested in fashion, regardless of type.
FTR: I do not find women who look like that hot. They vibe as schizophrenic to me. You would have to be bat shit crazy to dress like that.
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