Type Me Before Gulenko!

[RBRS]

I highly doubt the friend I was mentioning is my supervisor. We've been MUCH too close, almost since we met back 14-15 years ago, at times almost to the point of inseparability.

The things you mention are some of the reasons why I've never been able to figure out my type, as I think there are a lot of contradictions.

- I don't get stuck on people's problems. I enjoy helping people with their own problems versus focusing on myself. I don't think that's an R thing, in fact, despite my temperament, I think it's an E thing, maybe just a general Extroverted thing.
- I hardly ever get anxiety, as I know 99% of the time what is coming and I take that time to best prepare for those events. I've never been considered as "short-sighted".

For reference, I've self-typed as either IEI/EIE, and sometimes ILI. I've never truly thought I was Gamma though. If I am then I am not a stereotypical Gamma. In fact, my two closest friends (one of which being who I talked about) are more than likely SLE and LSI, and they've always pestered me about not acting logically or having very little connection to reality.

I think I can easily put up a front, and that's what confuses others AND me about my typing.

Is Duschia your friend right? It would be weird as you're trying out Gulenko

[hellohellohello]

Better find a nice ESI-Fi soon, because we don't age well*. After you become established at your job, you might be near your attractiveness peak. That's when you should sit down for negotiations.

My advice: Meet some EIIs, but don't marry them. They are the height of respectable femininity, but you can't fully help each other. I have an LIE buddy who is an investment counselor and he married a fantastic EII who teaches little children. It looks almost like heaven, but after five years, their marriage is in trouble.
I've had an EII secretary for over ten years, and if I didn't know Socionics, I'd have married her and would have been having some problems by now.

ESIs tend to be more difficult to deal with because their Se makes them assertive, and an assertive female is not in step with social expectations, which results in them seeming slightly unstable or unbalanced. However, you won't find a better long term match.

Try to find a middle-kid ESI-Fi with an older brother. For you, that would be ideal.

*Plus, after age 30, all the women who are able to be in long term relationships are there, and what is left circulating is not pretty.

Lol, well thank you for the advice. I definitely need someone who is assertive, because I'm not assertive myself. Probably the biggest complaint I've consistently gotten from ex's...

[hellohellohello]

Is Duschia your friend right? It would be weird as you're trying out Gulenko

Lol I don't know who that is. I'm pretty certain my friend has absolutely no idea about Socionics.

[RBRS]

Lol I don't know who that is. I'm pretty certain my friend has absolutely no idea about Socionics.

No problem. Just remembered she typed one close friend as EII so I thought it was you.

For Gulenko, looking at the left is indicative of irrationality, to the right of rationality, upwards extraversion and downwards introversion. Although I have to say your general nonverbal gives the impression of a rational type.

[Adam Strange]

Lol, well thank you for the advice. I definitely need someone who is assertive, because I'm not assertive myself. Probably the biggest complaint I've consistently gotten from ex's...

I think your assertiveness will grow in the particular direction of thoughtfully considered persuasion. LIEs aren't good at forcing people to do things. We basically open doors and then people can either go through or not. So that lack of assertiveness is a feature, not a bug. We're not managers, but rather we're leaders. If we need to get things done, we can hire an SLI project manager or an ESI general manager. Someone with higher-dimensional Se than we have.

Nevertheless, we do become more assertive over time, and now my main concern is how to get things done without being an ass. Because that is not constructive.

Me then: https://imgur.com/9JImvOc

Me now: https://imgur.com/rfQiE4r

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[Adam Strange]

No problem. Just remembered she typed one close friend as EII so I thought it was you.

For Gulenko, looking at the left is indicative of irrationality, to the right of rationality, upwards extraversion and downwards introversion. Although I have to say your general nonverbal gives the impression of a rational type.

I think that a much better VI indication of introversion or extroversion is how long a person takes to respond in a conversation.

An introvert will do a deep dive into their heads to consider everything before responding. An extrovert will just respond off the top of their head, without a pause.
You can usually see this easily.

[The Reality Denialist]

- I don't get stuck on people's problems. I enjoy helping people with their own problems versus focusing on myself. I don't think that's an R thing, in fact, despite my temperament, I think it's an E thing, maybe just a general Extroverted thing.
- I hardly ever get anxiety, as I know 99% of the time what is coming and I take that time to best prepare for those events. I've never been considered as "short-sighted".

I kind of beg to differ on first because relations are relations.

Number 2. I get it but it is very far from the devil may care attitude which comes with 4D Ne (the absence of anxiety because I'll figure out how to run the business even if half of my body is chopped off).

But we will see alternative would be rational Te type.

[nifl]

perhaps ILI

[hellohellohello]

You are the same type as Chance the Rapper 100% fr maybe even down to the subtype
Look him up then watch your vid! omg

I have been told that I look like the white Chance the Rapper lol..

[myresearch]

xSI>ILI.

Lots of things you said points towards introversion or rational type like perfectionism, patience, dilligence etc. Some other things like organized chaos in terms of messiness, tidiness, visual memory, adaptiveness etc can be seen in these three types, especially LSI. Not being good with details clashes with that and maybe with ILI, ESI also. Lots of you things mentioned was towards people, ethics in general, hence points towards ESI but may be a Fi role or HA. If you are ILI, I think you have a N type, but you mentioned you start projects more with more passion and got careless towards the end so more likely a contact type.

I cannot see a Te base, Te bases are active and when you compare yourself to your friend, you said he was the active one as a distinguisher. Secondly you find his fixing problems rather listening as a problem, surely every type may want that, but Te bases (and other T types) in general tend to do that and not find that problematic compared to other people when they do that.

I have seen the short sided, farsighted thing, I understand where you coming from, you may have another type but I dont see xSIs that way.

Curious about your result.

[Rotkiv]

SEE H

[ILoveChinchillas]

Rational logician

[hellohellohello]

SEE H

Well that would be interesting...

[hellohellohello]

xSI>ILI.

Lots of things you said points towards introversion or rational type like perfectionism, patience, dilligence etc. Some other things like organized chaos in terms of messiness, tidiness, visual memory, adaptiveness etc can be seen in these three types, especially LSI. Not being good with details clashes with that and maybe with ILI, ESI also. Lots of you things mentioned was towards people, ethics in general, hence points towards ESI but may be a Fi role or HA. If you are ILI, I think you have a N type, but you mentioned you start projects more with more passion and got careless towards the end so more likely a contact type.

I cannot see a Te base, Te bases are active and when you compare yourself to your friend, you said he was the active one as a distinguisher. Secondly you find his fixing problems rather listening as a problem, surely every type may want that, but Te bases (and other T types) in general tend to do that and not find that problematic compared to other people when they do that.

I have seen the short sided, farsighted thing, I understand where you coming from, you may have another type but I dont see xSIs that way.

Curious about your result.

As you can tell, this is why I've been having such a difficult time pinning myself down. There's a lot of seemingly conflicting factors, but I think it'll eventually all point to one type and make sense. I should be finding out Monday/Tuesday.

[The Reality Denialist]

SEE H

That one is quite tempting too

[hellohellohello]

That one is quite tempting too

Y'all are ridiculous lmao

[welcometomania]

OP have you considered SLI? Not to read too much into your expressions,, but I got a bit of Deltas' sentimental vibes~ hearing you relating your stories..

[RBRS]

Watched your whole videos, analyzed non-verbal cues, and applied the semantics method alongside temperament installation, and I have the absolute, definitive response; You're an IENSTFjp, one of the rarest personality types.

[hellohellohello]

OP have you considered SLI? Not to read too much into your expressions,, but I got a bit of Deltas' sentimental vibes~ hearing you relating your stories..

The only Delta type I've ever given any thought to would be EII but that's a long shot. I'm really not sentimental at all.

[hellohellohello]

Watched your whole videos, analyzed non-verbal cues, and applied the semantics method alongside temperament installation, and I have the absolute, definitive response; You're an IENSTFjp, one of the rarest personality types.

OMG you figured it out!!

[nifl]

OP have you considered SLI? Not to read too much into your expressions,, but I got a bit of Deltas' sentimental vibes~ hearing you relating your stories..

no logician is normally sentimental, and if they are, the introverted ones hide it more; Te types like LSE and SLI normally only open their hearts to people close to them, whom they trust emotionally - the Fe valuing logicians appreciate open display and playfulness of feeling, so they may be much more direct and open with expressing themselves, assuming they're feeling comfortable
the sentimentality of a person, barring non-type traits, is a result of the strength and value of the ethics

did not perceive valued Ne in him, felt more Te, irrationality, intuition there and since he's obviously an introverted logician, I see ILI as likely (those tattoos are not so likely for an Alphian or Deltian, either)

@hellohellohello
I recommend turning to the intertype relations to determine your type. Analyze your relations with people whose types you are confident in, and with whom you've had at least somewhat close relations - whom do you feel attracted to, more repulsed by? Who are boring, who are more interesting? etc. Through that it should become obvious what type you are - for example, if you systematically prefer being with emotionally satisfying people (whom you feel understand you on the emotional level) over people who are primarily reasonable and complex thinkers then it is unlikely that you are an ethicist; If you prefer people who are imaginative, rich in creativity and subtle over people who are grounded and more simple, then you're probably not an intuitive etc. etc.

[hellohellohello]

no logician is normally sentimental, and if they are, the introverted ones hide it more; Te types like LSE and SLI normally only open their hearts to people close to them, whom they trust emotionally - the Fe valuing logicians appreciate open display and playfulness of feeling, so they may be much more direct and open with expressing themselves, assuming they're feeling comfortable
the sentimentality of a person, barring non-type traits, is a result of the strength and value of the ethics

did not perceive valued Ne in him, felt more Te, irrationality, intuition there and since he's obviously an introverted logician, I see ILI as likely (those tattoos are not so likely for an Alphian or Deltian, either)

@hellohellohello
I recommend turning to the intertype relations to determine your type. Analyze your relations with people whose types you are confident in, and with whom you've had at least somewhat close relations - whom do you feel attracted to, more repulsed by? Who are boring, who are more interesting? etc. Through that it should become obvious what type you are - for example, if you systematically prefer being with emotionally satisfying people (whom you feel understand you on the emotional level) over people who are primarily reasonable and complex thinkers then it is unlikely that you are an ethicist; If you prefer people who are imaginative, rich in creativity and subtle over people who are grounded and more simple, then you're probably not an intuitive etc. etc.

I tend to gravitate to people who are stable, grounded, and logical. I'm most definitely the "feeling" type in my close-knit group of friends. I have no problem with creativity and often need help with grounded day-to-day things, however, over time I have gotten 1000x better in that area of my life. One peculiar thing, even for maybe being a "feeling" type is that I cannot stand people who can't control their negative emotions. For the most part I get annoyed and don't feel like helping, and most of the time my response is "I don't understand why you're so negative when there is so much beauty in life that you can turn your attention to".

[nifl]

I tend to gravitate to people who are stable, grounded, and logical. I'm most definitely the "feeling" type in my close-knit group of friends. I have no problem with creativity and often need help with grounded day-to-day things, however, over time I have gotten 1000x better in that area of my life. One peculiar thing, even for maybe being a "feeling" type is that I cannot stand people who can't control their negative emotions. For the most part I get annoyed and don't feel like helping, and most of the time my response is "I don't understand why you're so negative when there is so much beauty in life that you can turn your attention to".

Intuitives generally have more nuanced psychological insight than sensors, which may explain your intra-group position. I consider ethics unlikely for you - they are not so poker-faced and even as the logicians, and certainly not as ILI/SLI.
Disliking people who cannot control their negative emotions - Fi valuing. Fe types like to revel in indignation and rage just as much as mirth if they find it meaningful; emotional comfort is the primary ethical aim of Fi valuers, emotional stimulation - of Fe valuers.

[The Reality Denialist]

Intuitives generally have more nuanced psychological insight than sensors, which may explain your intra-group position. I consider ethics unlikely for you - they are not so poker-faced and even as the logicians, and certainly not as ILI/SLI.
Disliking people who cannot control their negative emotions - Fi valuing. Fe types like to revel in indignation and rage just as much as mirth if they find it meaningful; emotional comfort is the primary ethical aim of Fi valuers, emotional stimulation - of Fe valuers.

He is just low in neuroticism. Refreshing actually. It is NTR.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

Most poker players are ethical types imo. Phil Ivey, Negreaunu, Patrik Antonius, Tom Dwan, Doyle Brunson are IEI. Ethical types often have a better control over their emotional expressions, which also includes not showing any.

https://youtu.be/UfZOcwpKoJ4

Look how antonius changes from 0:00-1:30 and then when both are all-in how emotional his expressions are.

[nifl]

Ethical types often have a better control over their emotional expressions, which also includes not showing any

in the same way logicians can freely choose to make illogical observations if they wish, but it is largely not what they prefer. ethicists rarely prefer to suppress their emotions and they have trouble with it, as it is dominating - only in certain circumstances will the Fe types play nonchalant, but even then it is very temporary
that the ethicists should give the impression of poker-faced over the logicians is nonsense

[hellohellohello]

He is just low in neuroticism. Refreshing actually. It is NTR.

I've always been very low in neuroticism and score very high on openness to experience. Everything else is kind mid-range.

[Adam Strange]

I've always been very low in neuroticism and score very high on openness to experience. Everything else is kind mid-range.

My own Big Five result: Adam's Big Five Test Results - 00 - Commander.jpg


I became much more extroverted with age. At age 31, I still looked kind of introverted, although I was verging on extroversion. https://imgur.com/a/ZWIkyhP


. I think that's a pretty common progression for LIEs.

[myresearch]

Hello @hellohellohello

What is the verdict?

*drumrolls*

[The Reality Denialist]

Hello @hellohellohello

What is the verdict?

*drumrolls*

I think Rotkiv hit the nail...

The openness part. I also think that most of the time launcher meets so many personal complaints that it is nearly a criteria while suggestive has a lust over it. But we will SEE.

[ILoveChinchillas]

He has an impersonal communication style. Not really sure why you think he's a feeler.

[hellohellohello]

G still hasn't gotten back to me, I must be a tough one to pin down

[Nephilthoth]

LSI

[hellohellohello]

LSI-H!!!

[Adam Strange]

Now that that’s done, you can start looking for a nice EIE girl.

[hellohellohello]

Installation (activity orientation)

Logic is more than ethics

The respondent is good at organizing and making sense of complex information. He
thinks a lot, he obviously likes doing research and establishing causes. He approaches
everything from a logical point of view - he tries to find patterns and draw valid
conclusions.

Judging by his facial expressions, his smile is rather role-playing, it is consciously
presented. Emotions rarely capture him to the extent that he loses self-control. He
behaves stubbornly when he is sure he is right.

Yet Jacob characterizes himself as a sensitive person. Why, he is not an ethicist, is he?
We will find the explanation in the realm of more subtle individual differences, which are
reflected in subtype rather than type.

Sensing is more than intuition

Jacob maintains a physically active life, going to the gym and hiking. In the video
shown, he is collected, and his gaze is clear and attentive, though thoughtful. Nature
gives these abilities to people of the sensory type, not the intuitive type. He has mostly
realistic dreams that reflect past events, without fantasies or hidden meanings.

In favor of the sensory type is also evidenced by his ability to watch his appearance, to
look neat when he goes out of the house. Jacob is committed to cleanliness, comfort
and convenient organization of his workspace is important to him in the house. He
achieves coordinated head and body work. This means that he learns well from
experience, his knowledge must be confirmed by practice.

The logic with the sensing gives the technical and managerial installation.


Temperament

Introversion is more than extraversion

Jacob gives the impression of not being a very sociable person who has difficulty
gaining popularity. Indeed, his inner world of thoughts and perceptions is much richer
than his external expansion. The energy of his psyche goes more to internal mental
activity, such as thinking deeply about what he has read which is characteristic of
introverts.

As compared to his close friend, he behaves very calmly and prefers to listen. It is
difficult for outsiders to understand what feelings he is experiencing. Thanks to this,
extroverts can speak freely to him. At the same time, they encourage introverts to be
more active. This is a typical situation in communication between people of different
vertness, as in the example of Jacob and his more extroverted friend.


Rationality is more than irrationality

The respondent's logic determines his sensing. Before bringing into fruition (sensorics)
he will analyze and isolate the main thing (logic). This is how the psyche of rationals is
organized. Irrationals act more spontaneously and according to the situation, rather than
sequentially and step by step. Rationals are more effective if they prepare in advance
for an important event, rather than improvising or simply hoping for luck.

Rationals also have more stable moods and, as a consequence, an even work capacity.
Jacob says that his mood can be volatile, but it depends on objective reasons, such as
physical fatigue or whether he likes his work or not. On its own it will hold at about the
same level.

Rational introverted temperament is called balanced-stable. People with this
temperament remember information by breaking it down into sequential parts or
comparing new information with information already known in structure. They remember
faces better than names, because their internal channel of information processing is
visual, while the external channel of perception is auditory.


Subtype

What can we say about his subtype? - The most probable subtype in DCNH system is
the fourth one, i.e. harmonizing (H). Why?

Because of his distantness - thoughtfulness, initial detachment, unwillingness to actively
intervene in conflict situations, as well as initiality - only does well with the things he
likes to do, there is no strict order in his personal belongings.

Distantness in combination with initiality gives the harmonizing subtype.


The conclusion

So, the type of respondent is a balanced-stable temperament in technical and
managerial installation - LSI (Inspector) of harmonizing subtype.

Such a personality is characterized by reliability, conscientiousness, sensitivity, slow but
sure progression, intellectual and manual abilities that are only well realized in a stable
environment, stubbornness and perfectionism, but at the same time kindness toward
others, and the desire to find a balance between the mind and the senses.

[Aster]

awesome !

thank you for sharing!

[Tallmo]

LSI-H!!!

Makes sense to me, based on the video. Thanks for sharing.

[welcometomania]

Hi @hellohellohello. I still think you're ISTp (so I agree with Gulenko in terms of you being ISTx) though my (personal & current) DCNH typing for you is Creative subtype

Have you checked this one out:

https://socioniks.net/en/article/?id=337

[hellohellohello]

Hi @hellohellohello. I still think you're ISTp (so I agree with Gulenko in terms of you being ISTx) though my (personal & current) DCNH typing for you is Creative subtype

Have you checked this one out:

https://socioniks.net/en/article/?id=337

I've never related to Delta values, and I know for a fact I'm not Fi/Te. I know Ti is my most dominant function.