Ixxj
Esi>eii
Ij makes sense.
Thanks! I'm curious what makes me Ij. Also what is specifically ESI or EII? (I'm not disagreeing or agreeing.)
somewhere around ESI sp/sx
your speech is curt and intermittent and even in tone, there seems to be little dynamic "flow" to what you're saying, which points to accentuation in static temp. such as IJ or Ji-EP
esi over eii: what you're saying feels "under-stated", it feels "cut short" instead of explicit and thorough, which is oft a sign of involutionary/result type (that involuts, "curls up", "wraps up" the information), while eii is evolutionary/process tyype with a more extensive, continuous and elaborating style of self-presentation (that seems to never end) and typically more explicit and thorough in their explanations
Thanks Silke, interesting points. I know that language barrier makes me somewhat less thorough in English, as well as talking alone to the computer (= my reactiveness is shut down). In my mother tongue I talk very fast and go on tangents a lot. But it is true that I value saying things "as they are" without jewelling them up, and this is at its clearest with written language. I get frustrated, if people are being obscure and if there's no structure in their texts.. I do use metaphors quite a bit, but I avoid being too poetic or leaving too much room for misunderstandings.
I wouldn't be surprised if you said you test ENTJ in MBTI.
Intuitiveness is not solely about metaphors though nor about being poetic.
I observed you only a couple of seconds, not even listened to what you were saying, you reminded me @blackburry who is ESI 6w5.
I find her answers on hierarchies and power interesting. She says such concepts leave her with a negative image and goes into detail why. The consensus here seems to be that she is ESI, but ESI seeks LIE, and I can't help but think that LIE would very much support the concept of power and hierarchy. I really don't know, but if that is true of LIE, would an ESI like her (if she is one) find attraction in the ways of the LIE? Maybe the dual takes away the pressures to have to engage in those facets of life the ESI finds negative, therefore they are attractive qualities? I admit I don't know much about LIE, so this is all pure conjecture and searching on my part.
I have tested as ENTJ in MBTI at some point in life, not anymore. I don't like power games of any sort. I'm Enneagram 6w5 (614) Sx/Sp, counterphobic, so that might affect my vibe.
I'll answer more questions from the 80Q; some of them are familiar to me, most are not.
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whoa. You and I do look similar. I could believe ESI for you. Off vibe alone: I see Ixxj. EII is also a possibility.
Haha that's fascinating @blackburry! I'm curious what types have you typed as in MBTI?
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@Sol
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
T type. More probably N. mb ENTJ
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
@lajlaa
Fi base is very clear throughout the video, as is IJ temperament.
I lean more towards ESI than EII on this video. You mention things like 'being pessimistic when it comes to human nature' and difficultly trusting other people, and if someone lies to you then you cut them out of your life. These sorts of attitudes tend to be more common with gamma ESI than with delta EII. EII tends to be more trusting and forgiving of wrong deeds in general. But it could also be enneagram 6 if that's your type.
Also you mentioned about being emotionally very moody and intense. I don't have strong evidence for this, it's more based on personal observation, but it seems that gamma ESI tends more towards this intensity than EII. Perhaps it has to do with that creative Se.
I saw a different video of you from another personality typology group, and in that one you seemed slightly more EII.
Regardless, I think you have a strong Fi subtype and that can confuse things. I didn't see as much Se compared to some of the other ESI videos I've watched but I didn't see much Ne either. Your answers were clear and quickly to the point. Ne ego types, including EII tend to ramble a little more, or do more free associations like, 'oh, that reminds me of _________."
My guess is 70% ESI-Fi, 30% EII-Fi.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
Thanks for the feedback! @Maritsa I'd love to hear your typing.
@Sol Interesting you see ENTj. I've been previously typed as TeNi in another system, and Gulenko saw me as EIE with Ej temperament. Both were based on visual reading, did you also use that?
@chips and underwear I have actually lots of videos in Vaselan's Utube channel where we talk about typology topics. I self-type as INFP in MBTI, but in Socionics it's been either EII or ESI, depending on whether I want to be compatibilist what comes to MBTI and Socionics. Tricky thing is that I don't see myself either as Ne or Se PoLR, especially not Ne PoLR. Some people have thought that my Enneagram (CP 6) can make me more forceful as an EII, but then some others think I'm clearly an ESI. At least I seem to look more like Gamma, but my inner values and interrelations fit Delta better, as I seek Si from others and tend to connect well with deltas in general.
MBT uses same Jung's types and on preferences level is compatible. ENTJ = LIE, INTP = ILI, etc.
EIE is close, but I'm sure your type is T.
my main method is intuitive impressions from nonverbal behavior, so I use visual info muchBoth were based on visual reading, did you also use that?
You may check your intertype relations with examples of types in my signature, - does it fit to ENTJ more than other types.
Fi base, maybe EII. Visually you look like a cross between a LIE acquantaince and IEE friend of mine (the later is Finnish - are you by any chance Finnish heh?)
@Sol I'm also sure Fi/Te are in my valued functions, but I have struggled seeing what is in my ego block. Though Fi has always felt the easiest to see, so I've been settled in Fi-ego typing. I tend to get along best with Delta types, and I'm fairly sure my husband is SLI. I can imagine ExTp being my conflictor.
@darya yes, I'm Finnish. In general Finnish people are more often less expressive than many other people, and we definitely don't value Fe here. Also our language is quite monotone, so we can sound flat and boring haha.
I'll type your video tonight
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Just from the way you speak you seem to be a Ethical type. I find that T types have a difficult time expressing their "love" of another's actions even though they would love to hear it. Your apparent ease of that expression right off makes you and ethical attitude. Would you agree?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I do believe I'm an ethical type, specifically Fi-ego. ExI is the typing I feel most comfortable in, just don't know which one and what subtype. I'm glad my Fi-valuing has been unanimously seen.
First impression is EII. You VI a quite a bit like several EIIs I know, and I think, just based on the pictures I've seen of her, you VI a bit like Birdie who is a user on here and also an EII.
I'd have to watch more to really definitely give a typing because I could see ESI. I just think EII is the more likely choice from what I know right now.
EII-Fi > ESI
Based on video and questionnaire
Thank you! EII-Fi is the type what I can imagine I'd feel most comfortable being, if I was at my healthiest. As said, I believe my Enneatype (CP 6) explains the somewhat forceful and anxious background vibe I have, and I have trouble getting over betrayal of trust. But the reason for that can really extend over sociotype.
Attachment issues; I have huge trouble trusting anyone in the first place, so betrayal is a nightmare, because it can only happen after you've trusted someone. I think anyone who has had their boundaries crossed earlier in life will experience this. It's not a cognitive preference but happens more at the limbic system level.
gamma gamma gamma
Yes, superficially you show as LIE (I have seen the look of "What do you think you are talking about? in a female LIE before), but when you are relaxed or distracted, you look ESI. Counter-phobic also sounds right. Very vigilant, except when momentarily off guard, at which point very ESI.
Isfp and final
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Listening to you more carefully, I think you are intuitive, so EII. Not being a spineless wallflower does not one ESI make. ESI's are way over-typed on this forum anyway, especially the male ones. It's the new "it" type to be.
I agree LIE is more like my "shield role". In MBTI/Keirsey I'm without a doubt NF temperament and most likely INFP, so depending on whether one wants to be a compatibilist or not, my sociotype can be affected by that.
@Maritsa just to make sure you mean ESI not SIE?
@Sol haha I wish he would agree on a video but no. However I really can't see any other types than SLI or ILI for him. What comes to me liking T or F types romantically, I'd say both, but long term I believe a calm and patient T type is a better fit (coz no F would put up with me on a daily basis). I checked through the pics on your site, but I don't really feel attracted to anyone just based on a pic, so it's difficult to say.