I think he's ESTj.
I think he's ESTj.
Ok, so it's settled then, Jung was LSI.Originally Posted by niffweed17
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Of course it is. Whoever says that is talking bullshit.
Why do IEEs have a conservative streak?Think about delta values; many ENFp's have a conservative streak, despite having Ne in their ego block.
...Or consider Ti subtype ENTp's, who tend to be a little more grounded.
Consider what about them?
Sixes are neither phobic nor counterphobic; they swing between the two states. And if are not constant in their states, then any reason you have for a counterphobic to be a certain type because they are counterphobic is made void.Also, don't forget that counter-phobic 6's can be quite the independent ones, especially when the sexual instinct is prominent.
Stability is very important to the Six. If they feel that there is some threatening phenomena in their environment, they will demonstrate complete rebelliousness to that same stability. Often this threat is generated by sheer paranoia. Sixes aren't inherently independent; they can't be, unless they're healthy. Loyalty to a person, idea or any other "thing" comes from the belief that said person, idea or thing will give the Six direction in life. However, if something threatens this peaceful contentment in an idea that the Six has created, they will react negatively, often completely overthrowing all beliefs, to fight the fear that their belief has been challenged (in effect, they remove the cause of the fear; that is, anything associated with the challenge to their belief, including their actual belief).As for the ESxp's, 6 is probably a slightly less prominent type than in their Ne ego counterparts, but it is still far from infrequent imo. And there are definitely too many exaggerated connotations surrounding 6's (phobic, at least) concerning stability and loyalty, which is probably why so many people don't want to identify with that type, given the shitty quality of most online descriptions.
You're right, many of the online descriptions are poor, but some are actually very good. And those found in R&H's or Palmer's Enneagram literature are also very explanatory, and add far more depth and character to the Six.
Go for it.I've also been pondering the idea of you being a cp6w7 (clean slate) recently, simply based on the nature and tone of your posts. But I guess that's a topic for a pm.
Yes.
I said they can, based on delta values.Why do IEEs have a conservative streak?
Si seeking and more analytical, contained outlook.Consider what about them?
I was referring to patterns in an attitude, not claiming one state being consistent all the time.Sixes are neither phobic nor counterphobic; they swing between the two states. And if are not constant in their states, then any reason you have for a counterphobic to be a certain type because they are counterphobic is made void.
Good, you understand the 6.Stability is very important to the Six. If they feel that there is some threatening phenomena in their environment, they will demonstrate complete rebelliousness to that same stability. Often this threat is generated by sheer paranoia. Sixes aren't inherently independent; they can't be, unless they're healthy. Loyalty to a person, idea or any other "thing" comes from the belief that said person, idea or thing will give the Six direction in life. However, if something threatens this peaceful contentment in an idea that the Six has created, they will react negatively, often completely overthrowing all beliefs, to fight the fear that their belief has been challenged (in effect, they remove the cause of the fear; that is, anything associated with the challenge to their belief, including their actual belief).
OkYou're right, many of the online descriptions are poor, but some are actually very good. And those found in R&H's or Palmer's Enneagram literature are also very explanatory, and add far more depth and character to the Six.
The Ni is at work.Go for it.
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He's got the exact same gruffness as John Wayne.
Why are you under the impression that Deltas as a quadra hold conservative values? Furthermore, have you interacted with any of the IEEs on this forum to find out whether or not they hold the conservative values of which you speak?
Yes, congratulations, ILEs are Si dual seeking. And I would by no means limit analysis and containment to the ILE, let alone to a certain subtype of the ILE.Si seeking and more analytical, contained outlook.
With a response like that, you've clearly misunderstood to what I was referring, which is why you are wrong in your thinking that a counterphobic Six can be an EP.I was referring to patterns in an attitude, not claiming one state being consistent all the time.
I do indeed. Question is, do you?Good, you understand the 6.
The Ni is at work.
Yes, this means he is LSE.
No, it means he's LSE.
Exactly, Wayne is si estj too
His almost fanatical Catholicism seems rather atypical of an LSE. Gibson does not seem put off by, but seems attracted to it, while at the same time many (if not practically all) of his movies deal with a revenge motif that drips with
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I agree. That's part of the reason I suggested SEE. I could see some sort of Se IJ as a possibility I guess, but I have a Gamma impression overall.His almost fanatical Catholicism seems rather atypical of an LSE. Gibson does not seem put off by
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
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I still think he's ISTp. The problem with this forum is they think everything evil and aggressive is Beta, so that's what you're all going to type Gibson as after having heard that rant of his. But guess what, mentally unstable people come in every variety of type.
Expat used to say revenge is a Te/Fi thing. For another delta ST that is into such themes, look at Bruce Willis (ESTj).His almost fanatical Catholicism seems rather atypical of an LSE. Gibson does not seem put off by
I think he used to see it as an Se+Fi thing, in general. I remember him being disappointed with deltas being too likely to forgive troublemakers and reaching out to people who don't deserve it. Betas, in his system, would be very likely to enact severe revenge, but see it more as the culmination of a necessary act that is part of a larger system (because of their Ti valuing), and much less as something deeply personal.
IIRC.
I would agree about revenge.
And I don't like Bruce Willis.
ps. I mean hes fine, just a little overrated.
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“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
That's one of the problems I had with his perception of Delta types. I don't think Deltas are any easier to forgive then Gammas or any other types, especially Betas, who are Fe-maximizing (/Ti-procedural) clowns. I can accept that maybe Deltas wouldn't care or pay too much attention to certain "wrongdoings" or injustice (as in social dynamics, respect, conformity, Fe-equality, whatever), especially if it doesn't concern them personally. But in no way do I support the generalization that Betas are vengeful and Deltas forgiving.
With slight modifications, your interpretation of Expat's Beta vengeance fits me perfectly:
...would be very likely to enact severe revenge, but see it more as the culmination of a necessary act that is part of a larger issue or something deeply personal (because of their Fi valuing).
Or in fewer words, don't tread on me.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
I was wondering about EIE for Gibson. I would watch videos but my computer sucks and can't handle playing videos online. The only one left is my work computer but I feel guilty using it for those purposes. This problem isn't new and leads me to always just say my uninvestigated impressions about these things (though I am lazy, but I'm curious at the moment and I would act on that again atm if it wouldn't be the pain in the ass that it would end up being). Anyway other Se valuing extroverts (especially) wouldn't be out of the question for me at all.
I've also heard ESE suggested before.EIE
I'm not entirely sure of his type but EIE was my first guess. I'd be hard pressed to believe he is weak at Fe from what I've seen; I'd doubt that anyone but an Fe dominant or Fe Demonstrative could maintain the sort of lively, emotive, animated, persona which he consistently projects
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Maybe ISTp.
Mel Gibson
When I last heard, some consensus was SLI.
Is it still that or something else?
oh i thought the consensus was LSE...
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The consensus on this forum appears to be LSE. I don't have a strong opinion on him myself.
I'm almost certain he's Delta ST, but beyond that, I don't know yet - I like LSE a bit more than SLI so far... Negativist, Demonstrative
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I'm not entirely sure and was asking about this a while back too. I think ESE is possible, even EIE or LSE; he just comes off as incredibly emotionally passionate, nonstop; if it's not gesticulating it's constant explosive facial expressions. I also lean towards Jodie Foster being L*I and they're very close despite their opposing beliefs
But yeah, I'm not entirely certain about his typing, but SLI seems really odd to me, he comes off Ej as heck
Than again, he seems mentally disturbed, which would factor into this...
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I'm sorry Sir Kansas Fotos, did the honourable knight want to say something?
Gibbo likes honourable restraint too, he's just not very good at it most of the time.
GTFO out of my thread, loser.
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I don't think Jodie Foster is anything like him, but I see your other points. He is bipolar isn't he?
Can only see ESTj for him. All the enneapeople say he's E6, but I don't see how that works for him at all. E8 would make much more sense imo.
LSE works. He seems attachment triad, 3 or 6; if not, then 1 or 8.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Oh I agree with you, I just thought she could be Ti dominant and thus if he is Fe base that could explain their longtime closeness
From what I've heardHe is bipolar isn't he?
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"My" haha! You sound so gay.My, you're a touchy oneSomething the matter?
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Defo not 1 or 8. Almost certainly 6, at times goes to 3. By Attachment triad what do you mean?
Oh right okay.Oh I agree with you, I just thought she could be Ti dominant and thus if he is Fe base that could explain their longtime closeness
From what I've heardHe is bipolar isn't he?
But why?Defo not 1 or 8. Almost certainly 6, at times goes to 3. By Attachment triad what do you mean?
Wishful thinking. ^
Ashton you are a pathetic little man who still lives with his parents. And a closet gay. What could I possibly wish for?Wishful thinking. ^
That people would accept your shrill kvetching as that of an SLE.
SLI for Mel Gibson, probably E6.
Ezra, you wanker!
But why?
He doesn't give off any of that energy of unshakeability that 8s always do. Same reason I could never buy Ashton as an 8. Gibson seems kind of nervous to me; volatile, sure, but more reactionary.But why?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
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