People raised by family in opposite quadra.

[Itsme]

I'm sorry to hear, that sounds like a rough upbringing. You seem to have come out strong though. Keep pushing, life will reward your hard work and persistence. Mental health is a beautiful thing to achieve, which I strive for everyday too.

Interesting you mention the western world is anti-se.. can you elaborate what you mean by that?

Thank you very much, what i see is that Se and maybe masculinity in general is being pathologized, if you don't sit still and obey what the authorities tell you they will say that you have ADHD and put you under medication.

I think our whole Culture is so strongly delta and alpha dominated that many people are told to be ashamed of their aggressive tendencies and that they should suppress them.
You can also see it with all of this #Metoo stuff where Se ego sexuality even gets criminalized.
Maybe it's Christianity with their other cheek or denazification which is translated into some kind of catharsic decolonisation for non axis countries.
From early on boys are told that aggression, force, violence and even masculinity as a whole is bad, they don't get any kind of healthy relation to Se behaviour in real-life so they get it sublimated and mostly paired with shallow materialism and moral decay in rap music, at least that's my impression.

[Hope]

Thank you very much, what i see is that Se and maybe masculinity in general is being pathologized, if you don't sit still and obey what the authorities tell you they will say that you have ADHD and put you under medication.

I think our whole Culture is so strongly delta and alpha dominated that many people are told to be ashamed of their aggressive tendencies and that they should suppress them.
You can also see it with all of this #Metoo stuff where Se ego sexuality even gets criminalized.
Maybe it's Christianity with their other cheek or denazification which is translated into some kind of catharsic decolonisation for non axis countries.
From early on boys are told that aggression, force, violence and even masculinity as a whole is bad, they don't get any kind of healthy relation to Se behaviour in real-life so they get it sublimated and mostly paired with shallow materialism and moral decay in rap music, at least that's my impression.

me too movement has nothing to do with christianity since its a feminist movement and they reject christianity. Plus, all those movements about "rights" is pure mass manipulation and have been planned by others since time ago. The Vitruvian dude in the economist magazine has me too in the chest.


If you know the Georgia Guidestones (set in 1980), they have 10 commandments written in stone, they say as this:
1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500.000.000
IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE
2. GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY —
IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY
etc

The economist is financed by Rockefeller. Me too is supported by hollywood and left media. So its a massive plan of depopulation. And its pretty obvious. I don't even get why ppl still blaming christianity when its all except christian. And feminism is all except a female movement. Its pure manipulation.

[Itsme]

me too movement has nothing to do with christianity since its a feminist movement and they reject christianity. Plus, all those movements about "rights" is pure mass manipulation and have been planned by others since time ago. The Vitruvian dude in the economist magazine has me too in the chest.


If you know the Georgia Guidestones (set in 1980), they have 10 commandments written in stone, they say as this:
1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500.000.000
IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE
2. GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY —
IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY
etc

So its a massive plan of depopulation. And its pretty obvious. I don't even get why ppl still blaming christianity when its all except christian. And feminism is all except a female movement. Its pure manipulation.

Spoilering this too because it seems to get pretty off topic:

I do think that Metoo shows that we have an Se-devaluing culture, propably due to Delta and Alpha dominance in the cultural and Structural sphere.

Depopulation does not seem to be the plan, if it was we could just get rid of Africans, i think it's really just the guild ridden Brainwashing that we have.
Guilt has always been a means of control, television replaced church and now we have this neomarxist culture that tells us that everybody is equal and weaker people have just been oppressed into being unequal and that's why the stronger people have to be ashamed, sabotaged and replaced and/or mixed with the weaker people.
Maybe there is a lot of hurt feelings and revenge plans for centuries of envy and persecution and envy on the other side of the hierarchy of abilities mixed into it.

And there is a lot of (modern) Christianity mixed in it, 'don't fight back, turn the other cheek' and the church was the last big institution that controlled people via guilt, they have it implemented in their system from the very start with Eve who tricked Adam into eating the apple so they got kicked out of paradise.
It's nothing new, but it has lost it's regulation mechanism in form of a centralised church that would make exceptions and lead the followers to war against outside threats.
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I still don't like to entertain an idea of a global depopulation plan that centralised and unbeatable, it does not match reality with it's complexity and turns into defeatism.
Even if we had a centralised power structure that was as mean hearted and organized to coordinate such a thing there still would be power struggles in the structure itself and if it was too sociopathic to care about common folk there would also not be the kind of empathy and values inside of the structure that would make cooperation and functionality possible.

Even if there was such a big evil that is coordinating all of this, it happens in the heads of normal people, they are the ones that think they are doing good by eradicating everything that has ever brought us civilisation and beauty from earth, and that's where we can still defuse it.
Even if there was a big plan, if the basic bitch does not get their instagram likes for the virtual signalling her orbiter won't shelter the danger to get a peek at her nude breasts;
If the Wife does realise that rape hurts and is not some kind of soul purification for the 'sins' of their forefathers her husband won't vote for the wrong people, and will stand to his true feelings and believes in public.
And vice versa, if you as an individual become strong, project this outside and show others that living with pride and dignity is not just possible but even gives you benefits, people will adapt this behaviour.
When we liberate the spirits of the people there even could be a big evil that wants to fuck things up for us badly, it would not have the human tools to do so any more.

[Hope]

Spoilering this too because it seems to get pretty off topic:

I do think that Metoo shows that we have an Se-devaluing culture, propably due to Delta and Alpha dominance in the cultural and Structural sphere.

Depopulation does not seem to be the plan, if it was we could just get rid of Africans, i think it's really just the guild ridden Brainwashing that we have.
Guilt has always been a means of control, television replaced church and now we have this neomarxist culture that tells us that everybody is equal and weaker people have just been oppressed into being unequal and that's why the stronger people have to be ashamed, sabotaged and replaced and/or mixed with the weaker people.
Maybe there is a lot of hurt feelings and revenge plans for centuries of envy and persecution and envy on the other side of the hierarchy of abilities mixed into it.

And there is a lot of (modern) Christianity mixed in it, 'don't fight back, turn the other cheek' and the church was the last big institution that controlled people via guilt, they have it implemented in their system from the very start with Eve who tricked Adam into eating the apple so they got kicked out of paradise.
It's nothing new, but it has lost it's regulation mechanism in form of a centralised church that would make exceptions and lead the followers to war against outside threats.
-
I still don't like to entertain an idea of a global depopulation plan that centralised and unbeatable, it does not match reality with it's complexity and turns into defeatism.
Even if we had a centralised power structure that was as mean hearted and organized to coordinate such a thing there still would be power struggles in the structure itself and if it was too sociopathic to care about common folk there would also not be the kind of empathy and values inside of the structure that would make cooperation and functionality possible.

Even if there was such a big evil that is coordinating all of this, it happens in the heads of normal people, they are the ones that think they are doing good by eradicating everything that has ever brought us civilisation and beauty from earth, and that's where we can still defuse it.
Even if there was a big plan, if the basic bitch does not get their instagram likes for the virtual signalling her orbiter won't shelter the danger to get a peek at her nude breasts;
If the Wife does realise that rape hurts and is not some kind of soul purification for the 'sins' of their forefathers her husband won't vote for the wrong people, and will stand to his true feelings and believes in public.
And vice versa, if you as an individual become strong, project this outside and show others that living with pride and dignity is not just possible but even gives you benefits, people will adapt this behaviour.
When we liberate the spirits of the people there even could be a big evil that wants to fuck things up for us badly, it would not have the human tools to do so any more.

ok, I don't think quadra values are the "evil" in society. Saying that Christianity is Delta and Marxism is beta (for example) or something, as seems to not match historical reality at all. I talk about X movement as a fake creation or mass manipulation because I've seen more profs of it than the opposite. I'm not demonizing hierarchy or powerful/rich ppl or quadra values.I'm speaking about what some of ppl have actually and literally said, and that's even written in stone. Nothing more. If someone wants to keep a biased view of reality just based in their own interpretations of culture, that's ok for me, but there's a lot of proofs out there.
As for what you were saying about the catholic church you mention as "christianity" has nothing of delta values, also "guilt" is not delta. I know ppl from all the other quadras who works a lot in it. In the same way, I doubt that public executions, mysticism, lavish constructions and tons of liturgy are delta values. Then, you are speaking about church in the middle ages, I'm talking about what's happening now in our reality. So, in this same way, backlashing christianity is a trend as you can see with movements as feminism and media.

Being said all of that I'm out of this derail.

[Finaplex]

Thank you very much, what i see is that Se and maybe masculinity in general is being pathologized, if you don't sit still and obey what the authorities tell you they will say that you have ADHD and put you under medication.

I think our whole Culture is so strongly delta and alpha dominated that many people are told to be ashamed of their aggressive tendencies and that they should suppress them.
You can also see it with all of this #Metoo stuff where Se ego sexuality even gets criminalized.
Maybe it's Christianity with their other cheek or denazification which is translated into some kind of catharsic decolonisation for non axis countries.
From early on boys are told that aggression, force, violence and even masculinity as a whole is bad, they don't get any kind of healthy relation to Se behaviour in real-life so they get it sublimated and mostly paired with shallow materialism and moral decay in rap music, at least that's my impression.

Its gotten to the point where all Se is demonized, even on this forum, where people can't even have a conversation about what it is at the level of definition. People are stuck on "grab em by the pussy" and that is about as far as people want to understand it. As far as the masculinity issue is concerned it actually is a real up and coming issue in society. I think it would be good to balance back out along with some healthy feminism, see Paglia's version for it, because I think her's is the most healthy and realistic.

As far as ADD is concerned I'm on the fence about it..because I grew up with a parent and a brother who have ADHD BAD, like mood control growing up with a nightmare, he got kicked out of schools for being triggered, but EVENTUALLY and with lots of hard ship, he found his way as an adult. He drives B-Trains, married a molecular biologist, and plays and owns about a 100 board games and 5000 magic cards or something. Major dork but smart as hell. Parent went into the civil services and fire rescue, which from what I understand has a ton of ADD people because they are able to quickly change gears in reality.

I have a bit of ADD but my will power was astronomical growing up and I sat beside creeks and painfully learned to master the art of focus. Mine was more the female version as they say, the more introverted kind.

I think there is a distinction between Ne ADD and Se ADD and Si ADD and Te and so on.

Ne ADD is well known here on the forum: rapidly changing topics, catching extroverted intuition in the environment.

I think what is less talked about it Se ADD. It and Ne 'looks' the same on the surface, if you were to see Se/Ne ADD faces they would look similar: darting eyes- dopamine triggers, twitching, fidgety, ect.

Se ADD is more sensate object awareness, so much incoming information, including inner sensing info, which is also {object-i-fied} and in our world's lots is going on nowadays. Se ADD is a bit of a super power and it can be overwhelming to other individuals around them. These types of people are powerful in a traditional sense of the word. They are relentless.

All ADD on the forum is classed under Ne information and I think this is incorrect.

[Hope]

I think there is a distinction between Ne ADD and Se ADD and Si ADD and Te and so on.

Ne ADD is well known here on the forum: rapidly changing topics, catching extroverted intuition in the environment.

I thought that was the normalcy for IEE when talking in person.

[Finaplex]

I thought that was the normalcy for IEE when talking in person.

I don't see Fi version of IEE being this way. And I don't see NE types as ADD, only sometimes and probably waaaay worse when actually having ADD. I don't think ADD is a made up diagnosis, having grown up with it, I can assure, its a real thing. Weather or not its real and natural/normal in a grander time scale going back to our ancestors, and modernity is opposed to it because its challenging to develop normally in this system with ADD, I don't know.

Giving kids amphetamines though, even though it DOES WORK, still seems challenging. Interventions with a drug to keep a child focused and moods level just seems......wrong on so many levels. Works though, so people don't forget that part.

I'm seeing it that maybe certain things get cut and pasted in our sacrifices to live inside worlds built on logic and reasoning and boxes in the sky.

There really is no other good time in a life to learn knowledge then when young and unfortunately the way to do that is to focus on school which is boring and requires sitting inside during the formative years when the body is growing and wants to interact with the environment, millions of years of pressure behind the urge to engage with the environment right now, and now, and now, and now, and now<---ADD

[Itsme]

You are right about your assumption with my age.
My alternatives to the giftedness thing were not really addressed at your case, i think high IQ alone is often more than enough to make someone look like he has ADHD, especially because of the stigma attached to and therefore lack of information about the phenomenon.

I'm also talking more about the environment outside, school for example would love every child to have low energy, make flower chains with their buddies and never ever show anything like aggression. When you are not able to act out your high energy level and what you are biologically wired for and therefore fascinated by (playing soldiers, wrestling, fighting) you still need a outlet for this kind of stuff so it often manifests itself in challenging the teacher and environment as a whole.

Don't worry for the last part though, i think especially se valuing involutionary types will find the habitat of their life in what we are heading towards.

[Finaplex]

You are right about your assumption with my age.
My alternatives to the giftedness thing were not really addressed at your case, i think high IQ alone is often more than enough to make someone look like he has ADHD, especially because of the stigma attached to and therefore lack of information about the phenomenon.

I'm also talking more about the environment outside, school for example would love every child to have low energy, make flower chains with their buddies and never ever show anything like aggression. When you are not able to act out your high energy level and what you are biologically wired for and therefore fascinated by (playing soldiers, wrestling, fighting) you still need a outlet for this kind of stuff so it often manifests itself in challenging the teacher and environment as a whole.

Don't worry for the last part though, i think especially se valuing involutionary types will find the habitat of their life in what we are heading towards.

How does high intelligence describe the hyper active component?

We had plenty of time to play around, for example the trampoline, sports, skiiing, swimming ect. Still more hyper active and triggered at a hair trigger. So even in a time and place that accepted physical hyperness, it was still at the level of a debilitation.

I read some hypothesises that describe ADD as a left over from hunter gathering past societies, where in the ADHD helped to rapidly shift focus on prey....the idea seemed psuedo-psycology and I passed over it. I'm not overly concerned with this stuff as I was when younger.

Absolutely about habitats: thats the one benefit of being an adult, you will gravitate to where you need to be. : )

[Itsme]

How does high intelligence describe the hyper active component?

We had plenty of time to play around, for example the trampoline, sports, skiiing, swimming ect. Still more hyper active and triggered at a hair trigger. So even in a time and place that accepted physical hyperness, it was still at the level of a debilitation.

I read some hypothesises that describe ADD as a left over from hunter gathering past societies, where in the ADHD helped to rapidly shift focus on prey....the idea seemed psuedo-psycology and I passed over it. I'm not overly concerned with this stuff as I was when younger.

Absolutely about habitats: thats the one benefit of being an adult, you will gravitate to where you need to be. : )

Psychomotoric Overexability is a good explaination for hyperactivity also gifted children are often reported to have higher energy levels in general.

https://www.verywellfamily.com/dabro...ildren-1449118

I think the distractability is better explained by a weaker filter for incoming stimuli, which leads to higher information input, higher sensitivity and often too over-stimulation. I think the hunter gatherer thing can be a good explanation for Involutionary evolutionary distinction though; pretty sure ADHD diagnosis is more common in Result types for exactly the same reason.

The section in the brain that is said to filter stimuli is also often weaker in men which could be part of an explanation for the gender gaps in High IQ, Autism and adhd diagnosis

[Itsme]

ok, I don't think quadra values are the "evil" in society. Saying that Christianity is Delta and Marxism is beta (for example) or something, as seems to not match historical reality at all. I talk about X movement as a fake creation or mass manipulation because I've seen more profs of it than the opposite. I'm not demonizing hierarchy or powerful/rich ppl or quadra values.I'm speaking about what some of ppl have actually and literally said, and that's even written in stone. Nothing more. If someone wants to keep a biased view of reality just based in their own interpretations of culture, that's ok for me, but there's a lot of proofs out there.
As for what you were saying about the catholic church you mention as "christianity" has nothing of delta values, also "guilt" is not delta. I know ppl from all the other quadras who works a lot in it. In the same way, I doubt that public executions, mysticism, lavish constructions and tons of liturgy are delta values. Then, you are speaking about church in the middle ages, I'm talking about what's happening now in our reality. So, in this same way, backlashing christianity is a trend as you can see with movements as feminism and media.

Being said all of that I'm out of this derail.

I did not mean to label those things to one quadra, i guess all of them have their flaws and downsides as much as they have their upsides.
I guess Christianity was in the very beginning Beta, and alpha probably too, i guess most religious systems are mostly alpha ideas derived by a beta structure to become spread. Religion is all abut Ti consistency as far as my judgement is right.

I think there are a lot of different evil plans written down, even i could write a evil plan down and only because it matches with what happens to a big observable part it does not have to be true at it's root or at the invisible parts of it.
Here we are back at consistent Ti-systems.
I also want to close this derailment simply with the statement that it was not my intent to label a specific bad in the world as bound to quadra, even though there are a lot of tendencies of movements for their quadra, good evil happens in every quadra.

Its gotten to the point where all Se is demonized, even on this forum, where people can't even have a conversation about what it is at the level of definition. People are stuck on "grab em by the pussy" and that is about as far as people want to understand it. As far as the masculinity issue is concerned it actually is a real up and coming issue in society. I think it would be good to balance back out along with some healthy feminism, see Paglia's version for it, because I think her's is the most healthy and realistic.

As far as ADD is concerned I'm on the fence about it..because I grew up with a parent and a brother who have ADHD BAD, like mood control growing up with a nightmare, he got kicked out of schools for being triggered, but EVENTUALLY and with lots of hard ship, he found his way as an adult. He drives B-Trains, married a molecular biologist, and plays and owns about a 100 board games and 5000 magic cards or something. Major dork but smart as hell. Parent went into the civil services and fire rescue, which from what I understand has a ton of ADD people because they are able to quickly change gears in reality.

I have a bit of ADD but my will power was astronomical growing up and I sat beside creeks and painfully learned to master the art of focus. Mine was more the female version as they say, the more introverted kind.

I think there is a distinction between Ne ADD and Se ADD and Si ADD and Te and so on.

Ne ADD is well known here on the forum: rapidly changing topics, catching extroverted intuition in the environment.

I think what is less talked about it Se ADD. It and Ne 'looks' the same on the surface, if you were to see Se/Ne ADD faces they would look similar: darting eyes- dopamine triggers, twitching, fidgety, ect.

Se ADD is more sensate object awareness, so much incoming information, including inner sensing info, which is also {object-i-fied} and in our world's lots is going on nowadays. Se ADD is a bit of a super power and it can be overwhelming to other individuals around them. These types of people are powerful in a traditional sense of the word. They are relentless.

All ADD on the forum is classed under Ne information and I think this is incorrect.

In my opinion ADHD is mostly a misdiagnosis.
What you are describing also sounds a lot like high IQ which correlates with strong willpower, fast associative thinking and being critical of authority which can all make a look a lot like someone with adhd.
Absent mindedness due to strong intuition can give this thing a more add-y touch.

https://www.nagc.org/resources-publi...ed-individuals
http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/Papers/GiftedProblems.pdf

Autistic traits such as strong interests as you can see them with your brother are also often a part of giftedness just as much as high sensitivity to sensory stimuli and extremely strong emotions.

I'm not saying that giftedness is always the reason for an ADD/ADHD misdiagnosis, PTBS due to child abuse and other things also often is.
Also an environment that fails to cater to completely normal masculine traits and a society where youth grows up fatherless can cause a lot of this thing.
For me ADHD stays an excuse to drug kids who are put in a distressing and harmful for them environment, since a lot of those drugs are neuroprotective, it may also has it's upside but for me it gave people around me a means to justify their abuse and play 'poor me'.

[The Reality Denialist]

I think there is a distinction between Ne ADD and Se ADD and Si ADD and Te and so on.

From researcher Russel Barkley's point of view: There is no ADD or other ADHD subtypes. There is only one ADHD (then there are other attentional sounding disorders such as concentration issues).

And the real deal ADHD sounds Se in a very unfortunate brain.

Youtube has lots of material from Barkley