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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I transported the convo here so as to not keep derailing remiges' thread; I just found this thread btw, and after reading through it, gotta say, I think there's a legit argument for SLI.
FWIW, here's what Gulenko has to say about Se as it pertains to SLIs (who would be Se ignoring)>
"She is critical of violence and coercion. She will not press anyone, but she herself will not submit to attempts of being dictated to. She does not like competition, and has no ambitions or lofty career aspirations. SLI will not fight for power or try to claim a higher price. By observing the tempo of speech, manners, and appearance of a person, she determines their strengths and effectiveness in handling a matter. She can immediately distinguish bragging from real opportunities. She knows what amount of force and where to apply it to achieve a desired goal; however, she fails to effectively influence the painful points of another. She shows violence rarely and always under the pressure of external circumstances."
This is what wikisocion has to say about the ignoring function >
"A person limits the expression of this element in public (in favor of the base function), but sometimes uses it extensively in private, and can call upon it when necessary. For example, an SEI usually defaults to his base function Si and shies from activities that are highly physical or cause conflict, but if inevitable confrontation arises, he is able to use his Se and become fiercely coercive and quarrelsome for short periods of time. [I think I remember reading somewhere that you used to play soccer and were good at it--that would entail having fairly strong, competent Se, which makes more sense for an SLI than it does LII]
The extreme avoidance of this function can make it appear weak at times. However, when engaged it does not cause the same kind of psychological stress as a weak function, instead creating a kind of boredom or malaise."
At first I thought you might be a Creative sub type within Gulenko's DCNH system, but after reading the comment I quoted and a few others on this thread, I thought Harmonizing might be more accurate. And that wouldn't be an unreasonable error because the Creative and Harmonizing sub types are duals and exist along an axis > C [accentuated Ne, Fe, Se] & H [accentuated Ni, Fi, Si], and under certain circumstances, can look like each other. Moreover, it's not uncommon for there to be a sub type shift, and especially when it's to the dual subtype, which means you might subsequently have more advanced usage of all the IEs confined to those sub types. Anyway, do you relate to the following at all?
Holy shit. I just realized you believed me when I said I'm disabled. I was being sarcastic.
@Alonzo, I'm going to read that in a minute.
SLI based on reading this thread. Some of the stuff sounds a lot like one of my best friends who is certainly SLI.
Alright, I'll humor you.
I'm very competitive and have high ambitions. I've been told that is weird even for a LII, though I haven't seen it mentioned in the descriptions. The rest seems true for the most part.FWIW, here's what Gulenko has to say about Se as it pertains to SLIs (who would be Se ignoring)>
"She is critical of violence and coercion. She will not press anyone, but she herself will not submit to attempts of being dictated to. She does not like competition, and has no ambitions or lofty career aspirations. SLI will not fight for power or try to claim a higher price. By observing the tempo of speech, manners, and appearance of a person, she determines their strengths and effectiveness in handling a matter. She can immediately distinguish bragging from real opportunities. She knows what amount of force and where to apply it to achieve a desired goal; however, she fails to effectively influence the painful points of another. She shows violence rarely and always under the pressure of external circumstances."
I did play soccer. But I didn't become a pro. I'd rate my ball control average, and overall fitness very low for a pro. My redeeming qualities were tactical knowledge and passing accuracy.This is what wikisocion has to say about the ignoring function >
"A person limits the expression of this element in public (in favor of the base function), but sometimes uses it extensively in private, and can call upon it when necessary. For example, an SEI usually defaults to his base function Si and shies from activities that are highly physical or cause conflict, but if inevitable confrontation arises, he is able to use his Se and become fiercely coercive and quarrelsome for short periods of time. [I think I remember reading somewhere that you used to play soccer and were good at it--that would entail having fairly strong, competent Se, which makes more sense for an SLI than it does LII]
The extreme avoidance of this function can make it appear weak at times. However, when engaged it does not cause the same kind of psychological stress as a weak function, instead creating a kind of boredom or malaise."
I haven't looked at DCNH in detail. It seemed rather pointless. I'd prefer to get well acquainted with Model A before I introduce something else to the equation.At first I thought you might be a Creative sub type within Gulenko's DCNH system, but after reading the comment I quoted and a few others on this thread, I thought Harmonizing might be more accurate. And that wouldn't be an unreasonable error because the Creative and Harmonizing sub types are duals and exist along an axis > C [accentuated Ne, Fe, Se] & H [accentuated Ni, Fi, Si], and under certain circumstances, can look like each other. Moreover, it's not uncommon for there to be a sub type shift, and especially when it's to the dual subtype, which means you might subsequently have more advanced usage of all the IEs confined to those sub types. Anyway, do you relate to the following at all?
The description feels off. I value Si, but not enough for it to be the centre of my being. I don't seek comfort that much. I'm not a nature person nor do I travel much. I'm also not nearly as moody.
I'm used to conflict. Usually I ignore it. You are all adults and I can't be bothered to get involved most of the time. It's petty. The only reason I spoke up that time because I like you and you were very rude. I just told myself: "I'm going to be honest with him and if he continues this behaviour regardless of what I say then I'm going to write him off." Most unreasonable people wouldn't even be on my radar. They would have already been on ignore. I dislike macho posturing so much you are lucky you even got my attention. In all honesty, I don't approve of everything the people I choose to get close do but as long as I understand where they are coming from I'm able to live with it.
It's funny because I'm friends with a lot of SLEs. Their brand of aggressiveness doesn't bother me as much, maybe because they invest no energy in it. They will put you in your place but there is no hostility or passion.
SLEs don't write long paragraphs, they will just call you a dumb ass.
Coming back to this post. Honestly, I feel like I've grown a lot in the past few years. Personality theories helped a lot to understand myself but I'm not bothered with which type I am anymore. I'm very comfortable with myself and able to use the tools available to me to be a better person. That is all I care about at this point. I relate to the core of a LII a lot, but I don't feel strongly one way or another about being something else. I say this because even though I see myself as LII very clearly, it's obvious to me that not all people see me that way. I'm pretty sure if I gave my family members the descriptions and asked them to choose what fits me the most I would get typed as SLE/LSI/LSE/LIE/ILI/LII/EII and the list goes on.
I understand why. I didn't have a typical childhood. Nor a typical adulthood either. I'm still trying to find a way to exist while being true myself. It feels odd when people say that I have a strong Se for a LII, and I have to explain: "I had to develop it." I have purposely changed the way I go about doing things that seemed to put me at a disadvantage. I don't make these decisions lightly but they don't feel part of me either. A lot of these behaviours of mine were born out of desperation and insecurity. Is this still me? I don't know. I wouldn't change anything about myself If I didn't have to, I'm the product of my environment. I'm consciously aware of my part in the equation as well.
I know this sounds a bit depressing so I'm sorry if it feels that way but I'm in a very good place. I would take the current me over any theoretical type. Even LII. I hope that makes sense.
One of the reasons why Si leads "ignore" conflict and "invest no energy in it" and don't readily showcase "hostility" is because it disrupts their internal harmony/homeostasis, which said another way, they don't want to fuck up their inner sense of comfort/peace. As my supervisor, it would make sense for you to find some of my behavior abhorrent because I am Si PoLR and do the fucking MOST because I tend not to pay attention to my internal harmony, which is why when I'm angry, I pound the keyboard with my fingers, my breath shortens, I get flushed, my head begins to buzz, I may sweat, my body turns into a fool and I don't care in the moment about the degree to which I explode--an aspect of Si involves self control. Moreover, my Se is weak and wonky, which means I can step too hardly on the gas; my temper is like a messy volcano that spills everywhere. Even I can find myself to be unseemly and garish and regret that I can't control it as well as I wish I could.
SLEs are far superior at meting out/dosing their Se because it is a 4D function for them IN ADDITION to having 3D Si that can operate as a modulator/mitigator of how much energy/force/pressure they utilize because it's easier for them to access their own sense of inner tranquility/balance and regulate that accordingly depending on the environment/situation; I have no such control and modulation. I have rarely, if ever, seen my SLE friends have a temper tantrum or melt down--I admire them for their sense of composure, poise, and balance, all the while being able to adequately influence and pressure others. By the way, we can't forget to factor IR into our typing. It's far more likely for an SLI to have a bunch of SLE friends than it is for an LII (seeing as SLEs would be your supervisors).
Lol, I'm most impressed with your rationalisation despite me telling you I don't see myself as SLI/LSI. Don't take this in a bad way. I admire your persistence. It's just nothing I didn't consider before. LIIs have 2D Si, and I don't consider 2D functions weak for the most part. I still have yet to be convinced of my strong Se. But I can't really dispute that my online behaviour at least may suggest that, so I don't fault anyone for making that connection.
Also, logically speaking even if I was SLI, it's not going to change anything about the way I do things IRL. I'm not invested in finding if I'm truly LII or SLI right now. That seems a bit cynical.
lol All I know is that I feel like I was just supervised in a very nice way. My Ni takeaway from that was "I'm in a good place (read: internally balanced), ain't shit's gonna change (read: my sense of continuity will not be disturbed), and calm all of your hyperactive, self-indulgent Te lead bullshit down." lol Nah, but seriously, my apologies for drudging this shit up. I said I wasn't trying to battle type you and I meant it--I was just trying to offer a potentially helpful observation. But I'm glad that you're at peace. IMO, at best, personality theory should be a conduit for self-awareness/self-acceptance/self-growth and if you're in a good place, that's all that really matters.
Fee fie fo fum, I smell a Gamma's bum.
I'm guessing LIE because he tries to act cool and edgy and comes off as obnoxious.
Lol, excuse me. You do realize I chose this username as a joke, right? I have explained it multiple times. It's there on page 2. I don't think I'm cool or manly.
It wouldn't be the first time my avatar or username makes people feel uncomfortable. I don't think we have ever interacted so that is pretty uncalled for but whatever.
I do like having slightly provocative avatars or usernames btw. Especially if it's contrary to who I actually am. I enjoy the misplaced negative attention.
#1 How would you describe the inside of your head, your experience of consciousness moment-to-moment? Interpret however you want.
#2 What part of Socionics theory are you most skeptical about? Why?
I have a well developed internal monologue. I treat it like a personal AI.
I observe, read and absorb information. When I have a complete thought I plan and conceptualize, and then put it in action. I go back and forth between all these steps until I'm happy with the results.
(This was intially a three paragraphs long post. I just disregarded most of it because it was irrelevant and confusing.)
VI.
It's poorly researched and is more susceptible to bias.
FWIW I'm Se dom and nothing you've said about yourself in this thread or posts elsewhere on the forum is really all that different from me, aside from the AI inner monologue. I supervise LIIs and its awkward as fuck. I think I accidentally made one blow up his account last week calling out a few of his mistypings of Betas. I haven't gotten that supervisee vibe from your posts, among other things. My 2 cents would be ST club or Gamma. But I see you are set on LII, so there isn't much point in getting into it. Might want to have a mod close the thread if you've moved on and are no longer interested in people questioning your type.
Lol, I know who you are talking about. I avoided getting into arguments with him. But it was bound to happen, he was too set in his ways. I hope he comes back humbled and willing to accept other points of view.
Nah, I’m going to keep it open. I’m always interested in more input. People can question my type whenever they feel like. As long as I’m still posting on this forum this thread will stay open.
I will keep your suggestions in mind.
LII Ne
The kind that has a 3 fix according to Fauvre's system.
Yes but the fact that you play your name off as a joke is a cool thing to do.
@COOL AND MANLY
Instead of lurking Im trying to actively contribute in type threads now. So, I think LXI-Ti works for you. @FreelancePoliceman said you are more direct than LIIs. I agree your reasoning is more direct and simplistic than what LIIs are *supposed to* do and I did notice you come off like onfireee who types LSI. FP also says you come off as having more presence and I would say that makes sense but you also come off pretty mellow in ways and I'm not sure if that's the Fe seeking or being LII or whatever. Then you also have this thing of almost abstractly "moralising" about things but that could just be some strong Ti.
You said you don't relate to LSI because:So you see yourself as too aloof or awkward to be LSI? Or what were you thinking of here?Same reason why I don't relate to SLI. I know LSIs and I'm not like them, although they are one of the most admirable types. They are typically much more involved in society than LIIs/SLEs. Not the type to refuse an invitation or do things alone. Much more mindfull of authorities. They are part of the system and a pretty easy going bunch. Male LSIs are generally better with women as well. The typical intoverted casanova.
PS: Another LSI typed you as LII-Ne above, I would say no way in hell you are a Ne subtype. Your Ne just isn't visible like that. You will just never be as abstract and general as an LII-Ne, lol
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I don't know onfireee. We have never met or interacted as far as I know. I will check them out.
How was I "moralising"? I do have a high sense of justice. I try to hide it but often I can't help but speak up for the wronged. I'm not only speaking of my behaviour on this forum.
Thank you for indulging me.
I don't know, dude. It's been years.You said you don't relate to LSI because:
So you see yourself as too aloof or awkward to be LSI? Or what were you thinking of here?
I probably dismissed it because I have known plenty of self-typed ISTJs (MBTI) on the internet, and I can't relate to them. Even now the LSIs on the forum seem alien to me.
Fair enough.
I don't know them either, Ive just lurked enough I hope the observation helps though
(I add my observations regardless of sociotype even, I think its best to be able to verbalise without socionics too whenever possible)
Ah np. And yeah, it's like you have this principled approach and hinting at it.How was I "moralising"? I do have a high sense of justice. I try to hide it but often I can't help but speak up for the wronged. I'm not only speaking of my behaviour on this forum.
Thank you for indulging me.
I agree. I appreciate the comment.
You must have lurked for years. I haven't seen your type me thread but I'm going assume you are LII?
Examples? In any case, I'm glad I make that sort of impression.
Thank you. I have no idea how I'm coming off more like an ethical on the net.
If I'm going to take this theory seriously and apply it in my life in a practical manner, to make use of it (which I already do), then I'm definitely not an F type. I don't need help with practical subjects nor with my studies or how to acquire knowledge. I have been called a genius and people readily notice my high aptitude. I have never had issues at school, college or work. I'm quite accomplished. I'm dedicated, professional and always on time. I have several investments, and I frequently advise family and friends on practical subjects if they need help. I also know how to get that information if I'm lacking any. I'm responsible with money.
On the other hand. I don't treasure relationships as much as I probably should. I'm a loner and very independent. I have never been good with courting women nor do I even attempt to. I'm socially awkward, I would never admit my romantic feelings for someone if they never brought up the subject. The few relationships I have been in, the girl has always initiated. I would rather die than subject myself to that kind of spectacle. I do reject a lot of advances, when I think the relationship is inappropriate, especially with colleagues. But I also never try to make things easier, even when there is potential. I take zero risks romantically. They will have to literally drag me every step of the way. Hints will never work for me because I would still doubt their interest or sincerity.
I used to look a like a nerd for the most part of my teenage years. I wasn't popular nor did I receive much interest. When I dropped my glasses and took care of my looks in college I had better results. But it made me even more disgusted with what I perceive to be shallow interest. I know my feelings do not make sense, because people in general do respond better to anything visually appealing, and that is normal. But I was never like that.
People who are close to me think that I can't find a girl, so sometimes they will try to set me up with someone, but it's always been someone I would rate below average appearance wise or quite desperate. Again, this is dumb. But it makes me feel like I've never made any progress, or people perceive me to be desperate too. I'm not actually looking for a relationship right now so it kind of bothers me.
So now I'm conflicted. I'm not really sure where I stand in terms of looks. But I also want to have a relationship with someone that people think they are above my league, because I'm competitive like that. I know it's dumb. I have a huge fucking ego, which is fine with me because I can back it up usually, but not in this field.. I'm not a 10/10 nor was I ever a charmer. Yet I feel like I can only settle for a princess these days. What the fuck am I even doing? I usually do not care about social status but in certain times I find myself unwilling to accept mediocrity. I don't want anything less than true love or someone I find very appealing. I feel like I've worked so hard on myself that I do not want to settle for anyone. But.. I'm also very judgemental when it comes to personality. In reality it is what I care most about when I think of compatibility.
As you can see, my idea about love and relationships are quite childish. I know they are unrealistic. That is my weakness. Thus I don't think I'm an ethical.
I thought SLI or LII, but your latest comment matches well my view of LSI-Ti, sounds a lot like one of my best friends who definitely is that type. The effect of subtype can be pronounced, especially regarding attitude towards the creative function.
Also, I think I saw your VI pic here once and remember thinking you looked more like a S type. I know I said SLI before in this thread, I don't know you well enough to tell between quasi-identicals but introvert ST seems to be a theme.
Lol, I mean I said this years before I posted my pictures. I know what people expect. I'm not delusional. I knew I wouldn't VI as LII. There is no revelation here. It doesn't prove anything to me, other than that people usually have shallow assessments. I hope I'm not being rude, but when you offer me no further insight other than what I can see for myself, then I'm not really impressed. I can take other pictures to look like an LII but it would serve no purpose to me. I also hate being deceptive.
Honestly people will need to dig deeper than that to convince me of being a certain type. I can make a case for LSI/SLI better than you did, and I still remain unconvinced, although I'm still open to the idea.
I'm sorry if I'm coming off strong but I feel like I have to be honest about this.
Yeah, I realize my post wasn't providing much in terms of deeper analysis, just gut feelings and a data point for statistics. I don't see blunt honesty as offensive or rude so no worries there. LII usually tend to be less forceful unless it is something they feel very strongly about (which seems to be the case here however).
Well, your approach to romance sounds a lot like every SLI that I've ever known. More SLI than the approach of LII's, who seem to be either willing to wait for cookies forever (males) or are ice-cold barracudas (females).
I asked my SLI father why he married my mother, and he said "She made me do it."
I asked my SLI ex why she agreed to marry me, and she said she was "Crazy" about me. In retrospect, it would have been better if she had been normal about me. But I think she was lonely and was afraid of a life alone.
I asked my SLI son what he'd do if an attractive female approached him and asked him out. My son didn't even look up from texting on his phone to answer. He said "Dad, I'd tell her to get lost."
If you are SLI, I wish you the best of luck.
Incidentally, your avatar is Delta.
*EDIT*
I have an IEE-Fi bookkeeper, and while she is maybe 20 years older than my son, she is fascinated by him. Like, she is nice to him when they meet and is entirely professional, but she seems to want to know more. A lot more.....
My SLI-Te son, on the other hand, gets this look on his face when she's around like someone is pointing a bow and arrow at him. He is alert, hyper, and looks like he wants to run. And at the first chance he gets while still being polite, he's out the door and down the street.
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Np. My type thread is pretty recent if you want to take a look. (Not mandatory ofc)
Tho' no, LII has never been an option. Regardless of type, if you mean you feel/see something in common with us, I'm interested if you can add input on that (in my type thread if you think it's too off topic here but again not forcing you lol, this is just me being plain interested in trying to see more on how others see me).
E.g. post 11, post 42 in this thread. I can understand the LII option based on being so principled like there, I personally can't tell you from this much if it's just Ti or Ti+Ne but I don't see Ne in other posts of yours. None of that flexible approach to considering ideas or talking about anything abstract other than the "moralising". Again I said it could just be LXI-Ti too from this much data.Examples? In any case, I'm glad I make that sort of impression.
If you don't mind me commenting on this bit...If I'm going to take this theory seriously and apply it in my life in a practical manner, to make use of it (which I already do), then I'm definitely not an F type. I don't need help with practical subjects nor with my studies or how to acquire knowledge. I have been called a genius and people readily notice my high aptitude. I have never had issues at school, college or work. I'm quite accomplished. I'm dedicated, professional and always on time. I have several investments, and I frequently advise family and friends on practical subjects if they need help. I also know how to get that information if I'm lacking any. I'm responsible with money.
On the other hand. I don't treasure relationships as much as I probably should. I'm a loner and very independent. I have never been good with courting women nor do I even attempt to. I'm socially awkward, I would never admit my romantic feelings for someone if they never brought up the subject. The few relationships I have been in, the girl has always initiated. I would rather die than subject myself to that kind of spectacle. I do reject a lot of advances, when I think the relationship is inappropriate, especially with colleagues. But I also never try to make things easier, even when there is potential. I take zero risks romantically. They will have to literally drag me every step of the way. Hints will never work for me because I would still doubt their interest or sincerity.
I used to look a like a nerd for the most part of my teenage years. I wasn't popular nor did I receive much interest. When I dropped my glasses and took care of my looks in college I had better results. But it made me even more disgusted with what I perceive to be shallow interest. I know my feelings do not make sense, because people in general do respond better to anything visually appealing, and that is normal. But I was never like that.
People who are close to me think that I can't find a girl, so sometimes they will try to set me up with someone, but it's always been someone I would rate below average appearance wise or quite desperate. Again, this is dumb. But it makes me feel like I've never made any progress, or people perceive me to be desperate too. I'm not actually looking for a relationship right now so it kind of bothers me.
So now I'm conflicted. I'm not really sure where I stand in terms of looks. But I also want to have a relationship with someone that people think they are above my league, because I'm competitive like that. I know it's dumb. I have a huge fucking ego, which is fine with me because I can back it up usually, but not in this field.. I'm not a 10/10 nor was I ever a charmer. Yet I feel like I can only settle for a princess these days. What the fuck am I even doing? I usually do not care about social status but in certain times I find myself unwilling to accept mediocrity. I don't want anything less than true love or someone I find very appealing. I feel like I've worked so hard on myself that I do not want to settle for anyone. But.. I'm also very judgemental when it comes to personality. In reality it is what I care most about when I think of compatibility.
As you can see, my idea about love and relationships are quite childish. I know they are unrealistic. That is my weakness. Thus I don't think I'm an ethical.
Tbh. A few selftyped ISTJs at PerC would be 100% on the same page with you. It's uncanny how similar your sentiments are here to theirs lol, is why I mention this. They keep talking about how they cannot risk stuff with potential relationships if there's ambiguity and call it their inferior Ne. And are like very cautious withdrawn overall with this stuff and is hard for them to get into a relationship. One of them posted at length about how they have an issue with initiating but also about how they were gonna have to force themselves to learn to do it. These are all guys yeah.
"I do reject a lot of advances, when I think the relationship is inappropriate, especially with colleagues." Makes me think of ISTJ very much and LSI too. Strong focus on social orientations.
The judgmentality also sounds ISTJ stereotypically but ofc all judging types say this some, lol and it fits LxI-Ti too alright
Your willingness to talk about lack of confidence, insecurities, whatever, it is stereotypically "low Se" but that sounds like bullshit to me because I've seen even SLE do that on this site lol. Bc anonimity and whatever.
I don't know if the lack of confidence in evaluating your looks is weak Sensing or if you just did not spend time on it before (Se creative learns this stuff fast enough tho).
You sound annoyed here so it sounds like emotional investment from your part here. Sorry don't get me wrong, I don't want to offend : p
If you don't mind one more question. Do you value the intelligence stuff in LII? Because you had a post somewhere above where you said that you are in a good place so you don't even mind taking that over being an LII or something. And you also said you've been called a genius before. You deff came off proud about your intelligence and skills.
But that thing being called a genius, it makes me think of an LSI-Ti character loool who really valued that highly for themselves whenever they were called that - yes they were a smart person ofc but yeah. That LSI-Ti is really cold and stuff but it's obvious she's present more than an LII-Ti even tho' LII-Ti is not totally out of it either.
I probably will, because you asked so nicely.
Your previous post came across to me as someone identifying as LII but not seeing it in me. It's why I asked. I do like you tho, you feel refreshing and unique, and I like that.
I still don't get what you mean exactly, but you are probably getting bored of it already so I will drop it.E.g. post 11, post 42 in this thread. I can understand the LII option based on being so principled like there, I personally can't tell you from this much if it's just Ti or Ti+Ne but I don't see Ne in other posts of yours. None of that flexible approach to considering ideas or talking about anything abstract other than the "moralising". Again I said it could just be LXI-Ti too from this much data.
I'm not going to dispute this. It all sounds very reasonable and I have made the same observations.If you don't mind me commenting on this bit...
Tbh. A few selftyped ISTJs at PerC would be 100% on the same page with you. It's uncanny how similar your sentiments are here to theirs lol, is why I mention this. They keep talking about how they cannot risk stuff with potential relationships if there's ambiguity and call it their inferior Ne. And are like very cautious withdrawn overall with this stuff and is hard for them to get into a relationship. One of them posted at length about how they have an issue with initiating but also about how they were gonna have to force themselves to learn to do it. These are all guys yeah.
I agree. Nothing much to add here."I do reject a lot of advances, when I think the relationship is inappropriate, especially with colleagues." Makes me think of ISTJ very much and LSI too. Strong focus on social orientations.
The judgmentality also sounds ISTJ stereotypically but ofc all judging types say this some, lol and it fits LxI-Ti too alright
I don't know what to think of it either. It may seem huge to others, but if I'm being too open it's because I no longer have these insecurities in large, or have detached myself from it.Your willingness to talk about lack of confidence, insecurities, whatever, it is stereotypically "low Se" but that sounds like bullshit to me because I've seen even SLE do that on this site lol. Bc anonimity and whatever.
I don't know if the lack of confidence in evaluating your looks is weak Sensing or if you just did not spend time on it before (Se creative learns this stuff fast enough tho).
I would never claim that I'm a genius tho. I have hated being called that for the longest time. I always thought it's a limiting label. My thought process goes like this "Yes, I know I'm smart but what else.." I'm definitely proud of it, but I don't advertise it unless it's necessary. Same thing goes for my skills. I don't need others admiration, but I'm going to prove that I know what I'm talking about if I need to. I do not admire being brainy for its own sake. My favourite characters are not like that. They have to be extremely independent, driven and naturally talented. The most obvious examples are Uchiha Sasuke and Kirigaya Kazuto (or Kirito). It's one of the reason why I think LSI/SLI actually makes sense for me.You sound annoyed here so it sounds like emotional investment from your part here. Sorry don't get me wrong, I don't want to offend : p
If you don't mind one more question. Do you value the intelligence stuff in LII? Because you had a post somewhere above where you said that you are in a good place so you don't even mind taking that over being an LII or something. And you also said you've been called a genius before. You deff came off proud about your intelligence and skills.
But that thing being called a genius, it makes me think of an LSI-Ti character loool who really valued that highly for themselves whenever they were called that - yes they were a smart person ofc but yeah. That LSI-Ti is really cold and stuff but it's obvious she's present more than an LII-Ti even tho' LII-Ti is not totally out of it either.
ah lol, thanks; I'll be curious about your thoughts.
Just kind of going by ideals. It's hard to verbalise it more than that. And ideals could be either Ni or Ne anyway besides logical principles/rules, so it on its own is not going to be some magic factor to decide type, lol.I still don't get what you mean exactly, but you are probably getting bored of it already so I will drop it.
Thats what the SLE said too. I personally would also not talk about issues openly unless they are already resolved, yeah.I don't know what to think of it either. It may seem huge to others, but if I'm being too open it's because I no longer have these insecurities in large, or have detached myself from it.
Interesting actually, I relate in that I feel put on the spot when Im told "you are so logical" or similar things, lul. I don't know why, tho'.I would never claim that I'm a genius tho. I have hated being called that for the longest time. I always thought it's a limiting label. My thought process goes like this "Yes, I know I'm smart but what else.." I'm definitely proud of it, but I don't advertise it unless it's necessary. Same thing goes for my skills. I don't need others admiration, but I'm going to prove that I know what I'm talking about if I need to. I do not admire being brainy for its own sake. My favourite characters are not like that. They have to be extremely independent, driven and naturally talented. The most obvious examples are Uchiha Sasuke and Kirigaya Kazuto (or Kirito). It's one of the reason why I think LSI/SLI actually makes sense for me.
About the characters you mention, I looked them up, Uchiha Sasuke seems like stereotypical LSI, lol. The other one is some Ti too, a really calm LSI-Ti maybe, I could see that. I would otherwise not be able to say if LII or just a really mellow LSI, but since there's that calmness I can see LSI-Ti.
LSI seems correct. I would have never guessed you are a girl.
I would say the biggest differences between me and most LSIs are:
- I don't get lost in ideologies or theories. It seems to me that LSIs are more likely to admire strong and extreme ideologies. I can argue for days without revealing my position, that is if I even had one. I'm also deeply philosophical, but it's not something I value. I do it to protect and strengthen my own arguments. In reality, I think philosophy is a big waste of time. But I will literally argue just to prove something is bullshit. Ni demonstrative?
- To add to my last point. I'm extremely insightful and I trust my own intuition. I also trust my visions and predictions, but they are very rarely verbalised.
- I have never been called aggressive or too controlling because I'm actually not. I've been told the opposite. I'm also never impulsive.
- However, I'm rather stubborn once I've made my mind. If I have to be confrontational, it's usually all or nothing for me. Especially if I lost my temper, which happens once in a blue moon.
- If push comes to shove. I will literally betray every ideal I have to come on top. My ideals will not be used against me to control me.
- I do not care about being another cog in the system. I can operate outside of it just fine. I choose to comply with what society deems appropriate because I do not wish to confuse others. But I can be an enigma and still function just as good.
- I don't go to the gym nor do I care about my physical strength.
I know this sounds edgy but yeah.. intellectually, I don't feel lost. I'm quite arrogant actually.
Got it.Just kind of going by ideals. It's hard to verbalise it more than that. And ideals could be either Ni or Ne anyway besides logical principles/rules, so it on its own is not going to be some magic factor to decide type, lol.
Yeah, I think their types are correct.Interesting actually, I relate in that I feel put on the spot when Im told "you are so logical" or similar things, lul. I don't know why, tho'.
About the characters you mention, I looked them up, Uchiha Sasuke seems like stereotypical LSI, lol. The other one is some Ti too, a really calm LSI-Ti maybe, I could see that. I would otherwise not be able to say if LII or just a really mellow LSI, but since there's that calmness I can see LSI-Ti.
1. LSI-Ti has pretty strong Ni, actually on the same level as their Se. I'm not all that super interested in philosophy either, I used to ridicule it and other humanities for a long time, but receiving philosophy from EIE makes it interesting for me. And I don't blindly follow any external ideologies.
2. Rarely verbalized for me either, but I realize my predictions are more hit and miss than always correct. LSI-Ti stronger Ni might give more confidence in the function.
3. Matches the LSI-Ti friend I have, he's never impulsive (I am), I could claim this to be due to Se and Ni being relatively that much stronger/weaker due to subtypes
4. Ti lead, I think SLI would actually be more laid back and just wouldn't care about someone being wrong
5. Valued Se
6. I don't want to be just a cog either, I think that's a strawman of LSI. Operating outside the system or in your own system? Not sure about this, both LSI and SLI are often viewed as enigmas by others, but I can identify with not wanting to confuse others (would a SLI care?)
7. Matches my LSI-Ti friend, I've tried to motivate him to lift with me but he's very reluctant and seemingly "doesn't want to enter into the competetion". He does do a lot of cardio though.
Ti subtype makes Fe the weakest function of LSI, whereas it's Ne for Se subtype. I think that could make LSI-Ti seemingly more SLI-like in social behavior (stronger Ne, weaker Fe).
Also, sensors are not stupid meatheads. Being intelligent does not equate being intuitive.
This sounds like bullshit to me and doesn't make sense. (Model A)
I haven't actually bothered with sub-types so I can't really dispute it. These are good observations however, for whenever I feel like going further into it.
Well yeah, that is obvious. I'm saying they way feel inferior, to me. I'm not speaking of stereotypes, I'm talking about the LSIs I meet on this forum, for example.Also, sensors are not stupid meatheads. Being intelligent does not equate being intuitive.
I was going to explain more in depth but I don't feel like dropping names, it's seems uncalled for. You are offended already.
Inert/Contact subtype theory. I get it, you don't want to immediately believe anything outside your own framework of understanding. Look it up yourself some time if you feel like it.
I don't like the DCNH subtype system myself but Inert/Contact makes sense to me personally.
I don't see LSI being offended if you think they are stupid, criticism on intelligence is just laughed off. Feel free to call it. Some mayhem would be a fun way to see who's roleplaying.Well yeah, that is obvious. I'm saying they way feel inferior, to me. I'm not speaking of stereotypes, I'm talking about the LSIs I meet on this forum, for example.
I was going to explain more in depth but I don't feel like dropping names, it's seems uncalled for. You are offended already.
I just did actually. Admittedly, it's a rather shallow assessment, but it matches my experience with it years ago. It seems useless.
I mean this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. I can confidently reject theories that seem unrealistic to me. Not every theory deserves recognition.
Lol, you are free to offer yourself. Don't speak for others. It's not going to be fun though, so I'm not sure if there is any point to it.I don't see LSI being offended if you think they are stupid, criticism on intelligence is just laughed off. Feel free to call it. Some mayhem would be a fun way to see who's roleplaying.
Do you really think shitting on people's world views is fun? I'm quite tolerant so that is not something I willingly engage in. I'm also not sure if you will provide enough material for me to remain objective.
Thanks for the input.
I was gonna write more here but after seeing the shit you wrote to the other poster here, I deleted most of it, I lost respect for you and lost all interest in engaging you.I would say the biggest differences between me and most LSIs are:
- I don't get lost in ideologies or theories. It seems to me that LSIs are more likely to admire strong and extreme ideologies. I can argue for days without revealing my position, that is if I even had one. I'm also deeply philosophical, but it's not something I value. I do it to protect and strengthen my own arguments. In reality, I think philosophy is a big waste of time. But I will literally argue just to prove something is bullshit. Ni demonstrative?
- To add to my last point. I'm extremely insightful and I trust my own intuition. I also trust my visions and predictions, but they are very rarely verbalised.
- I have never been called aggressive or too controlling because I'm actually not. I've been told the opposite. I'm also never impulsive.
- However, I'm rather stubborn once I've made my mind. If I have to be confrontational, it's usually all or nothing for me. Especially if I lost my temper, which happens once in a blue moon.
- If push comes to shove. I will literally betray every ideal I have to come on top. My ideals will not be used against me to control me.
- I do not care about being another cog in the system. I can operate outside of it just fine. I choose to comply with what society deems appropriate because I do not wish to confuse others. But I can be an enigma and still function just as good.
- I don't go to the gym nor do I care about my physical strength.
I know this sounds edgy but yeah.. intellectually, I don't feel lost. I'm quite arrogant actually.
Regardless of type. I just respond bc I was addressed but after this please just don't write to me bc there's no way I'm wasting more of my time on you.
So just quickly.
1. Stereotypically it's the LIIs who actually engage and get lost in much philosophy, lol... Ss are more conservative re: extreme positions. I argue too all the time, and I'm bad at remembering to express my full position, that's just Ti stuff, but if you mean you like to take on different positions and perspectives to argue then that's Ne.
2. I feel that way too when I get too deep in my mind and too Ni but then I come back to reality, lol. But yeah maybe you forget to come back to reality from it ..... yeah thats an insult
5. Is literally the opposite of Se PoLR - Se PoLR is unable to betray their ideals. I mean that's kinda admirable that some people are THAT principled or try to be anyway, but the rest of people have a tiny bit of sense of actual reality. But if you didn't mean real life stuff by "coming out on top" but just idea stuff then yeah that's different.
6. I also operate outside the system, this isn't type related even
7. So you are just one of the many people who don't do sports. One more NTR
.... But you know what. It would be REALLY ironic if it somehow turned out you are an LSI, just some arrogant lost one (yeh that shit sounds like you are really lost even if you say you are not), and then you are not all that intelligent after all as LIIs supposedly are.
But I'm done engaging about your type. * the end * I'll respond to the shit below then I'm done overall for good too.
What the hell are you talking about?
Okay you didn't address me originally but you typed me LSI just now too. That after you first expressed like for me, meanwhile other LSIs on here were just trying to give their inputs too here (one of them even agreed with your self-typing). Are you trying to insult everyone randomly on here just bc we don't agree with everything you say or something? You seem to be really strongly projecting, like I think it's you who got offended here LOL
Frankly your crazy typism there is already uncalled-for even without bringing up names.
Who the fuck do you think you are? Did you do anything really great in this life other than earning a little money and doing some little investments to have this level of hubris?
You are just making yourself sound completely ridiculous with that, and actually btw maybe LIIs are arrogant yeah but I've never seen one this openly arrogant as this, lol... Sorta but not THIS openly and like completely ungratefully .... If you are irritated by retypes then how about you use that intellect that you supposedly have you genius, lol, and then properly argue about it like you said you have the stamina to do for days. Without emotional bullshit like this projecting your offenses to others completely randomly out of the blue.
Like you are totally lost in some other reality or something, where you believe three letters like this, it's like psychotic really.
All in all - Actually intelligent people do not need to talk about it. Unlike you.
PS. Instead of facing your own emotions. Just beware seriously, you get really emotionally biased so easily so that fucks up your intellectual capability, if you don't learn to recognise it when you actually lose your head - without even noticing but it's obvious to everyone else - and completely get your reasoning fucked up with it distorting the perception of reality.
Lol, do these interactions prove that I'm not LSI now? This is my Ne unleashed.
I don't know why you are mad.
@Northstar, bro. I called this and you still want me to be even more savage? I don't know what else to say.
I'm going to read that in a second, @grumpyvic81. Sorry in advance.