Gamma Examples

[godslave]

ESI (?)

Edit : the video has gone so here is a picture of Stevi Hillman

[Sol]

Stevi Hillman - N

[timber]

watch mainly, when I feel boring or tired. then input on YT "asmr" and check what appeared new
this can be a time in several days, in a week or more. I have no subscriptions to such channels

I get it.

[timber]

Artyom Muratov [man] - ESFP

Perhaps, yes.

That woman is extremely engaging, nice interviewer, even if she is flirting like mad.

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ESI (?)

Would have to know more.. could be N like Sol says.

[Sol]

That woman is extremely engaging, nice interviewer, even if she is flirting like mad.

mb ESFP too

[timber]

mb ESFP too

Maybe. Ethics for sure.

[The Reality Denialist]

Couple of ESI doctor (MD) "Bible thumpers"

Miriam Grossman


Päivi Räsänen

[Sol]

Miriam Grossman - mb INFJ
Paivi Rasanen - N, E

[Rusal]

This animal chiropractor mb ESI

[timber]

This animal chiropractor mb ESI

I'd say sensing. I wonder where the ESI aspect is coming in for you?

True chiropractors are a art. You can do it on yourself as well. I have to wonder how long the effects go past the acute act of realignment though? The Promise is more than the delivery, in other words.

[Sol]

bones_hands_animals - ESTP

[Sol]

Ivanna Sakhno - INTP


Riley Gaines - ISFJ

[The Reality Denialist]

ESI culture

@Adam Strange should find his new wife from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. I suppose the ESI density is very high there.

[Distance]

SEE

[Sol]

Natalya Nikolayeva - ESFP

Rob Low - ESTP

[The Reality Denialist]

Gamma NT mirrors (ILI and LIE). Autimus maximus

[Socionics Is Not A Cult]

LIE

[Ikite iru]

LIE

[Ikite iru]

[Distance]

ESFP

Just giving this a re-look, Sol typed him ESI.

He acts very extraverted, gains energy on contact, and very self promotional, and makes friends everywhere.

Saint Mike he calls himself.

A Kurt Russel look.

''BX cable'' at 20 - 40 second mark looks like a lack of care for correct terms, like lack of rules or Ti.

Seems Te driven on goals or agenda.

VI looks ESI, though.

[Ikite iru]

https://youtu.be/NfDJL9NAX9Y?si=VzCBnY4s6xsrl6Md

Seems Fe. Could be EIE or IEI. Reminds me of Robin Williams

[Sol]

Eric Hansen - INTP


Yekaterina Vanchenko - ISFJ
or ISFP

[Enters Laughing]

Arthur Balfour = ILI
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom 1902-1905, who issued the Balfour Declaration of 1917 as foreign secretary, which supported a "home for the Jewish people" in Palestine.

I think WSS have him as LII (?).

Quote from the Barbara W. Tuchman book "Bible and Sword: England and Palestine from the Bronze Age to Balfour":

Cynical is a word used of Mr. Balfour by people who knew him almost as often as they try to describe his charm, which left everyone feeling happy who talked with him. He had a profound and philosophic mind, he was lazy, imperturbable in any fracas, shunned detail, left facts to subordinates, played tennis whenever possible, but pursued his principles of statecraft with every art of politics under the command of a superb intelligence. As one who belonged among the rulers by birth, owned an independent income and remained a bachelor, he was detached from the scramble of ordinary life. The aloofness together with the impression of his physical height made him seem a lofty being. “He was quite fearless,” says Churchill. “When they took him to the Front to see the war he admired the bursting shells blandly through his pince-nez.” He adds, “There was, in fact, no way of getting at him.”

[The Reality Denialist]

Sam Bankman-Fried - LIE

[Sol]

Sam Bankman-Fried - if T, then mb ENTP

[necrosebud]

Vivek Ramaswamy - LIE, maybe E1

[Adam Strange]

Vivek Ramaswamy - LIE, maybe E1

@necrosebud, I agree with you that Ramaswamy is LIE. He's dumb as a fucking post, and completely confident he's right.

Let me tell you, I've met a lot of LIEs whose personalities provide huge warnings as to what can go wrong with my type.

[Adam Strange]

Sam Bankman-Fried - LIE

I go back and forth on Bankman-Fried as LIE. He does, rarely, look like one to me, and he's certainly enough of a socially destructive jerk to be LIE, but I don't actually think he's LIE by VI. When I look at his face, I see something that is strongly ethical, like an EII.

His desire to "do good" for society while blowing through other people's money, and bribing his way into society in order to create a completely new social paradigm, rather reeks of EIE.

This probably means that he's EIE E2.


EDIT:
I'm not confident in my typing of Bankman-Fried. For one thing, he looks a lot like IEE Tucker Carlson in some pictures. They both look like they are presenting themselves to the world as naughty boys, which would imply Infantile, but in Bankman-Fried's case, that might be simply because the evil inside him hasn't grown strong enough yet.

I'm more confident of Bankman-Fried being Infantile than any particular type. His hair is a little kid's hair. When he puts on a suit, he looks like his mom dressed him up. He blew through a ton on money as if he didn't know what money is for. All indications of a child, although the last part is something I've seen EIE's do.

[necrosebud]

@necrosebud, I agree with you that Ramaswamy is LIE. He's dumb as a fucking post, and completely confident he's right.

Let me tell you, I've met a lot of LIEs whose personalities provide huge warnings as to what can go wrong with my type.

I am with him on the affirmative action stuff, perhaps not as hardline as he is

I actually don't keep up with him but I did hear that he apparently is on board with vaccine conspiracy type of stuff? yeah I wouldn't be personally on board with something like that. I wonder soemtimes if he is intentionally catering to the republican voter base with some of the things he says though

the affirmative action/meritocracy thing at the very least, seems very sincere to me

overall I don't dislike him

[Adam Strange]

I am with him on the affirmative action stuff, perhaps not as hardline as he is

I actually don't keep up with him but I did hear that he apparently is on board with vaccine conspiracy type of stuff? yeah I wouldn't be personally on board with something like that. I wonder soemtimes if he is intentionally catering to the republican voter base with some of the things he says though

the affirmative action/meritocracy thing at the very least, seems very sincere to me

overall I don't dislike him

Thank goodness that Fi-doms are immune to assholes being assholes. If they weren't, LIEs and LSE's would never reproduce.

[The Reality Denialist]

I go back and forth on Bankman-Fried as LIE. He does, rarely, look like one to me, and he's certainly enough of a socially destructive jerk to be LIE, but I don't actually think he's LIE by VI. When I look at his face, I see something that is strongly ethical, like an EII.

His desire to "do good" for society while blowing through other people's money, and bribing his way into society in order to create a completely new social paradigm, rather reeks of EIE.

This probably means that he's EIE E2.


EDIT:
I'm not confident in my typing of Bankman-Fried. For one thing, he looks a lot like IEE Tucker Carlson in some pictures. They both look like they are presenting themselves to the world as naughty boys, which would imply Infantile, but in Bankman-Fried's case, that might be simply because the evil inside him hasn't grown strong enough yet.

I'm more confident of Bankman-Fried being Infantile than any particular type. His hair is a little kid's hair. When he puts on a suit, he looks like his mom dressed him up. He blew through a ton on money as if he didn't know what money is for. All indications of a child, although the last part is something I've seen EIE's do.

OK. He shows his Si PoLR all over the place. However it seems to come with an acute social deficit straight outta neck-beard fedora club (EIE might wear something not proper for the weather and weird aversions with food). He is very much just a dude with minimal motivational speaking skills. He can surely toy with business.

This one has juicy details. Like very noticeable Ti ignoring and low low Fe+Fi. His altruistic business apparently is just framed through his Fi suggestive. Simple as that. Like a bullseye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8kXNn9JL6c

[Sol]

Sergey Yenichev (Dobroye semya) - ESFP


Vivek Ramaswamy - mb IEI

@Alive @<a href="https://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/member.php?u=12637" target="_blank">Asleep</a>

[Minde]

Thank goodness that Fi-doms are immune to assholes being assholes. If they weren't, LIEs and LSE's would never reproduce.

Sister-in-law was talking with me yesterday as I made dinner. She made a suggestion, then stopped herself and said she wanted to say it again but in a less harsh or irritable way (I forget the exact words she used, but it was to that effect). She said that since she’d switched medications she’d found herself feeling more tight and anxious and that it was coming out in her tone, which became a self-reinforcing cycle that she wanted to interrupt. I told her I hadn’t detected any unpleasant tone, but if she felt like practicing on me that was fine (which was entirely the truth). She said, "Well, yes, but you live with my brother," implying that I was inured to it.


I didn't bring it up at the time because it wasn't the point of the conversation or what she needed, but I actually think my LSE is particularly careful about how he communicates, at least relative to other Te-egos. He says himself it comes from practice, though, and purposeful shaping of his habits. That said, she wasn't exactly wrong.

[Sol]

I actually think my LSE is particularly careful about how he communicates

Let's assume several people of some type are known to generalize the opinion on a type, and not only 1-2 individs which have and do different besides Jung types and related. And types were understood correctly.

There is IR. It says about much of subjective perception about what people do. And also by IR people will behave differently as a reaction on other people, where with someones they may behave worse.

For example. For Adam, who has possibly Fe, is expected by IR to perceive base Te as "assholes".

[Minde]

Let's assume several people of some type are known to generalize the opinion on a type, and not only 1-2 individs which have and do different besides Jung types and related. And types were understood correctly.

There is IR. It says about much of subjective perception about what people do. And also by IR people will behave differently as a reaction on other people, where with someones they may behave worse.

For example. For Adam, who has possibly Fe, is expected by IR to perceive base Te as "assholes".

I'm sorry, I don't understand your point.

[Sol]

I don't understand your point.

It's simple text and basic theory. Your behavior is not adequate.

If to detail about the difference in your and Adam's perceptions.
That "your LSE", which may to have other type than you think (same as you are doubtful to have EII), may to have better IR for you, than what Adam (who possibly has Fe type) has with Te types.
Besides that "LSE", having possibly another type, may behave differently objectively, including to be softer in something than base Te types.

Your type I suspect to be EIE. Base Te should be hard for you, in general, same as for Adam's perception. Where, concrete people among same type also may differ by non-types reasons.

[Finaplex]

It's simple text and basic theory. Your behavior is not adequate.

If to detail about the difference in your and Adam's perceptions.
That "your LSE", which may to have other type than you think (same as you are doubtful to have EII), may to have better IR for you, than what Adam (who possibly has Fe type) has with Te types.
Besides that "LSE", having possibly another type, may behave differently objectively, including to be softer in something than base Te types.

Your type I suspect to be EIE. Base Te should be hard for you, in general, same as for Adam's perception. Where, concrete people among same type also may differ by non-types reasons.

You are kind of proving her, and everyone else's point about this right now.

Edit: I think the problem is you are looking for really good Fi, and you are not always the best about going about getting it on this website. You push people away, even when you are trying to be helpful. It's sort of, you reap what you sow.

Plus something I learned years ago about the 16t: it's not a good place to seek and find good Fi.

[Minde]

It's simple text and basic theory.

Your use of the English language has been inadequate for conveying your meanings clearly, as exemplified by the post I responded to, asking for clarification. It has improved over time, but I'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of what you type out is still very difficult to parse from an English perspective. There is no helpful reason for you to talk about the theory if your listener (or reader, in this case) cannot understand you. And it is no good blaming others or implying that they are stupid for not understanding you if you do not do your part to communicate clearly.

If you want English speakers to understand you and take you seriously, you must continue improving your English.

Your behavior is not adequate.

Speak for yourself, sir.

You and every other prickly person on here who wishes to have those close personal connections, even romantic love, that we all long for must learn the habits and practices necessary for getting along with others. Regardless of background or socionics type, there are certain behaviors that enhance connection and certain ones that destroy it.

For example, unless insults are a mutually accepted way of communicating, and usually only when it is clearly a jest, they will break down relations.

I fully realize that the kinds of habits and practices that lead to better relationships do not come as naturally to some as they do others. (After all, is that not a large part of the premise behind socionics?) But they are not impossible to achieve, by anyone. It is similar to how anyone has the capacity to learn how to be as practically self-sufficient as they can. Socionics types can be an explanation, but they are not an excuse.


By telling me that what you’re saying is "basic theory" implies that I am stupid and uneducated on the topic. That is insulting (and thus harmful to our relationship). I would like you to find me anyone who reacts happily to being talked to in such a way.

Therefore, you are quite often (as often as you pass out insults) a difficult person to deal with, by both subjective and objective standards.

The very fact that I continue to engage with you and even express well wishes demonstrates that I am often willing to overlook your poor behavior (yes, your behavior is often poor) and attempt to engage you as the kind and intelligent person I believe is (or can be) inside you. You can call that Fi or Fe or whatever you want, but my point is I do want friendly relations with you.

I do draw the line at abuse, though. You have not crossed that line, though you come close with your snarky remark of "It's simple text and basic theory." In case it is not clear, that kind of talk is insulting and pushes people away.

Do you want me to go away and leave you alone?

If to detail about the difference in your and Adam's perceptions.
That "your LSE", which may to have other type than you think (same as you are doubtful to have EII), may to have better IR for you, than what Adam (who possibly has Fe type) has with Te types.
Besides that "LSE", having possibly another type, may behave differently objectively, including to be softer in something than base Te types.

Your type I suspect to be EIE. Base Te should be hard for you, in general, same as for Adam's perception. Where, concrete people among same type also may differ by non-types reasons.

I don’t particularly care what you or anyone else types me as, though it does irritate me a little when it is based on or perpetrates a misunderstanding of who I am and what my motivations are. That said, this forum has been excellent practicing grounds for learning how to be ok with being misunderstood. There are a few people who I have wished to be friendly with who have decided to see me differently than I am and thus reject me or treat me poorly. It makes me sad, but thankfully there are plenty others in the world who think well of and love me and that makes it easier. (This is a benefit of knowing how to get along with people.)

Just because everyone around you has a hard time with you doesn’t mean they couldn’t get along with you if you practiced behaviors that enhance relationships instead of destroying them. It’s possible you’ve been around far more Fi people than you’ve recognized had you just been a bit less prickly and unkind. No one likes it when they’re called stupid, not even Fi people.

You are kind of proving her, and everyone else's point about this right now.

Edit: I think the problem is you are looking for really good Fi, and you are not always the best about going about getting it on this website. You push people away, even when you are trying to be helpful. It's sort of, you reap what you sow.

Plus something I learned years ago about the 16t: it's not a good place to seek and find good Fi.

Agreed.

Somewhat aside: how would you describe good Fi?

[Finaplex]

Agreed.

Somewhat aside: how would you describe good Fi?

Simply put in one word: connection --> Contact

I will elaborate in the future.