Logically rationalize God

[Computer Loser]

"God" was invented by mankind.

Can you give an unique property of "God" that is observable? Any such property is easy to comprehend.

I can get my head around something that has no observable properties - but that is a thing which does not exist.

Just look at the world around you and observe how much order there is. The chances that ours atoms that are perfectly designed to hold everything together (about 1/10^100th chance), from the perfect distance the sun is away from the earth, to the structure of our DNAs... Is it all by sheer chance???

Is it really that hard to believe there could be a designer behind everything?

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Just look at the world around you and observe how much order there is. The chances that ours atoms that are perfectly designed to hold everything together (about 1/10^100th chance), from the perfect distance the sun is away from the earth, to the structure of our DNAs... Is it all by sheer chance???

Is it really that hard to believe there could be a designer behind everything?

Order is a a human notion.

DNA replication is not "random". If it was, then things that are incapable of replicating would be as prevalent as things that are capable of replicating. Lifeforms that prosper in their environment are especially good at replicating - this is not "random".

What happens in the universe happens according to the laws of nature - it is meaningless to say that any one event has "purpose" or is "random".

We only have one instance of nature to compare things to. You are essentially saying "This happened, it could only have been this way, therefore it must have been created with purpose." This is like a puddle thinking that the hole that it is in was created for it.

There is no evidence that creating something out of nothing is possible. Chimpanzees typing out the works of Shakespeare someday is merely a matter of estimated low probability.

An universe created by an omnipotent being is infinitely more complex than an universe with no creator. Yet you believe this creator had no creator.

[FreelancePoliceman]

An universe created by an omnipotent being is infinitely more complex than an universe with no creator.

How is that?

[Socionics Is A Cult]

How is that?

Oh, I meant an universe PLUS its omnipotent creator being must be infinitely more complex than the same universe without such a creator.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Just look at the world around you and observe how much order there is. The chances that ours atoms that are perfectly designed to hold everything together (about 1/10^100th chance), from the perfect distance the sun is away from the earth, to the structure of our DNAs... Is it all by sheer chance???

Is it really that hard to believe there could be a designer behind everything?

There is also a lot of things I would call "disorder" or "chaos" - order as I would appreciate it is rare by my standard. (Although objectively there may be no distinction between a rock and a human in terms of complexity). Things tend to decay over time, at least in our universe.

Theist like to use the existence of "Good" as proof of "God", while ignoring all the "Evil". "Good" and "Evil" are subjective concepts, but that's another discussion. The existence of "Evil" is just as much "proof" that "God" is omnimaloveolent rather than omnibenovolent. It is similar with our notions of order and disorder.

But in any case, there is no rational reason why a creator of an universe must be complex, if there is in fact a creator.