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Thank you for posting this article!
It was interesting, but I don't know why they are pushing Socionics into more esoteric territory. It becomes terribly inapplicable and irrelevant at that level.
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An ILI at rest tends to remain at rest
and an ILI in motion is probably not an ILI
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actually i think it's the opposite - this article shows exactly how socionics is relevant to the real world, helping to explain how/why major societal changes and shifts occur, and the role and influence of each quadra/type as they happen. it's stuff like this that makes socionics more than just a simple typology, i think.
this is very true imo. the world is in a Gamma period, led by the United States (a LIE country.) you can see the kind of instability resulting from the LIE-oriented high-risk systems in the global economic crises, with many enormous bailouts trying to prop up a system that was never stable or sustainable in the first place. from knowing the LIE type you know their focus is not on making a system stable (Ti-ignoring), but profitable (Te-base). so right now the world is experiencing failure/weakness of the Gamma quadra. (i'm not saying Gamma is bad or anything like that, because every quadra has its rise and fall, as the article explains.)
Very interesting, thank you for posting this.
It is interesting that LII passes to EIE (semidual), IEI passes to LIE (supervisor), ESI passes to IEE (supervisor) and SLI passes to ILE (semidual). I wonder if there is a reason for this pattern.
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An ILI at rest tends to remain at rest
and an ILI in motion is probably not an ILI
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IEI passes things over to SEE not LIE (unless it's a typo). Under this formulation, it is either the semi-dual or the mirage partner of left introverted type that takes over.
Gulenko doesn't go over quadra reversal in detail, but he does mention that preceding quadra can take over at the point in time when reign of following quadra is coming to an end in which case it is left introvert's mirage partner that gets involved. Though some think that quadra reversal isn't possible. This is what I posted in the old thread:
In his interpretation of it, the result/process types alternate as the quadra progresses (link). So it goes:
a: ILE-ESE-SEI-LII
b: EIE-SLE-LSI-IEI
g: SEE-LIE-ILI-ESI
d: LSE-IEE-EII-SLI
Each quadra begins with right/process extraverted type which helps get things rolling for that quadra. The right/process introverted type comes towards the end, what he calls it the "stabilizer" - this type effectively prolongs this quadra's reign until some indeterminate point that the left/result introverted type gets involved. This type he calls the "corrector" or "perfector" and from what I've gathered it's role is to survey the product of the reign of its quadra. This he calls the "point of bifurcation" where the system can go either one of two ways: either the next quadra takes over or there is a rollback to previous quadra. I was looking recently at this thread that you've made and noticed that indeed the left introverted type, the point of path selection, is conjoined with both right introvert types of the following quadra and the preceding quadra in the taciturn and narrator cycles. Perhaps this has some connection to it. Though there is something off here as in your sequence it goes ENFj-INTj-ESTj-ISFj-ENFj where starting point is type on left and transition occurs to type on the right, but in Gulenko's story it goes the other way - INTj is the corrector type in alpha who transfers things over to ENFj and the next quadra.
A very insightful article
I saw myself in the EIE description, " Beta quadra starts with EIE, the Mentor. This is the most revolutionary type in the socion. He is usually rebelling against some current system. At some point his rebellion becomes more forceful - he becomes almost as if obsessed - he teaches, proselytizes, demands to stop the old and start the new. Then he builds a new organization. It is interesting to note that building an organization is not accomplished by LSI as some think, but by EIE. Later Mentor burns out - breaks down, or become ill, or loses his sanity, or simply withdraws from public sphere. The sooner this occurs - the higher was the energy load of the type. Or in other words, the faster the clock is ticking inside him - the sooner he accomplishes the above. At the end he burns out, often physically."
Does anyone else resonate with any of the type roles described in this article?
Yes, and this shows that the "clock" considered as a sequence of types does not respect the structure of the socion (which is not linear). I think it is more beneficial to see it as a characterization of each type's role within the quadra, considered using the benefit ring dichotomies.
Sooooo Obama ESI wraps up the rule of gamma and at this point you either revert to Beta with trump or Clinton or Move on to delta with bernie?
i realize it CANT be that simple ,still its nice to simplify.
I find this to be interesting... so how does this relate to Socionics? Ok, so ILE has created something new - Socionics by Augusta. But there are no Alpha SFs to promote it! ESEs don't give a shit about Socionics, and neither do SEIs. Nevertheless, some LIIs have started to tinker with it, and "perfect" it, like what Gulenko is doing. He's adding more "scientific" approach, he's adding more credibility and respectability to it, he's cleaning and perfecting the system to have the potential for mass-appeal and mass-implementation.
Betas (and other quadras) think that Socionics is just a silly prototype, and there's not much promise for mass-appeal or practical implementation. But what if it did though? What if the LIIs perfected it enough? Scary thought... maybe one day, Socionics will be perfected enough to have mass-appeal and mass-implementation by the Betas. And maybe one day, we'll be living in some dystopian One Socionics One Typology society with Augusta as our Great Leader of the Socion.
And then the IEI will somehow crash the whole system, and then it gets passed onto Gamma...
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I relate!IEE is the implementer of fourth quadra. He evokes interest, interest turns into excitement. But IEE is not ESE, the Enthusiast. In this quadra this excitement will not last long, even socionics as a novelty does not last with them. Boredom ensues. IEE brings elements of absurdism and disorganization.
My excitement shifts very quickly, the chaos part - that's really happening on here, I create weird input right and left. I'm already half on the instinct bandwagon because it feels more promising and unexplored to me.
So semidual relation ILE - SLI is like Alpha - Omega, Big Bang - End Of the World. Interesting
Also, SEIs and ESEs go like "So, what's your sociotype dear/teehee?" (respectively) without caring much about the theory.
Also, he's Singularity (another thing he seems to have stopped believing in while on the forum) and not Singulation. Accuracy of references usually makes puns better.