Ne + Fast Reflexes

[Logos]

This is all sorts of ridiculous. Ne-egos by theory have weak Se and Si, both of which would be IEs that would be of the greatest advantage for being able to respond in the physical moment to catch a falling object with quick reflexes. But even then, this largely varies from person to person (even within the same or similar IE types) based upon their genetic traits. Arguably there may be a tie-in as IEs may have their root in differences in brain chemistry and neurology, but Ne would not be where I would look first.

[krieger]

I've got decent reflexes. Not legendary ones or anything, but good enough to consistently beat Unreal Tournament 2003 at Godlike level.

[Krig the Viking]

This is all sorts of ridiculous. Ne-egos by theory have weak Se and Si, both of which would be IEs that would be of the greatest advantage for being able to respond in the physical moment to catch a falling object with quick reflexes. But even then, this largely varies from person to person (even within the same or similar IE types) based upon their genetic traits. Arguably there may be a tie-in as IEs may have their root in differences in brain chemistry and neurology, but Ne would not be where I would look first.

I agree that there doesn't seem to be much of a theoretical explanation, but that's exactly why it's interesting. I'm withholding my final judgement on this issue until there's more data. If there is a correlation between Ne Ego and quick "catching things" reflexes, then there must be some explanation for it.

How are your reflexes when it comes to catching things, Logos?

As far as theory goes, I'm not sure it's directly related to Ne. Intuitively, it does seem that these sorts of reflexes should be related to a dynamic element, and from my own experiences it does seem like a vital ring function -- it's not something I can really consciously think about or direct; I just have to let it happen. Could it be related to Id Ni somehow? Or Id Te (external dynamics of objects), for the Alpha NTs here?

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Logos]

When Socionics will have the same recognition as genetics and neurology, maybe you'll change your mind.

The correlation hypothesis of this thread is by no mean contradicting one of the other sciences, types can be defined genetically, just that they are not yet recognized as notions, don't you think?

Maybe I'll change my mind? About what? It would probably be better to say if as opposed to when.

The correlation hypothesis may not be contradicting other sciences, but those other sciences provide much better empirical explanations of the matter. As of now, Socionics is a pseudo-science. We could probably point to the brain (and more interestingly, evolution of the human brain) and see associations between the IE.

I agree that there doesn't seem to be much of a theoretical explanation, but that's exactly why it's interesting. I'm withholding my final judgement on this issue until there's more data. If there is a correlation between Ne Ego and quick "catching things" reflexes, then there must be some explanation for it.

How are your reflexes when it comes to catching things, Logos?

As far as theory goes, I'm not sure it's directly related to Ne. Intuitively, it does seem that these sorts of reflexes should be related to a dynamic element, and from my own experiences it does seem like a vital ring function -- it's not something I can really consciously think about or direct; I just have to let it happen. Could it be related to Id Ni somehow? Or Id Te (external dynamics of objects), for the Alpha NTs here?

My reflexes are decent (hit and a miss), but not nearly enough to suspect a correlation or put on my résumé. Peter Parker (consistent Alpha NT portrayal) provides a useful fictional example. Pre-bitten Peter Parker has dull and fairly terrible reflexes. It goes with his nerdy Alpha NT nature. What amazes Peter Parker about his powers is not only that he gains superhuman reflexes, but simply that he gains above-average reflexes. And that is what I think may be present here in this thread. It is admittedly an odd quality to notice. When people perceive a knack at an activity that runs counter to expectations, people may consciously notice and pick it up even more. For example, I have an exceptional knack of finding other people's lost keys. But I will likely not be starting a "Ne + Key Finding" thread anytime soon.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Logos]

This is another difference between my Ne and your Se, also another answer to your questions about your type.
I know that Socionics will be recognize still, I can't prove it to you, I see its potential, it is real and there is no possibility it won't be a full-fledged science.

This does not answer anything about my type. It only creates more questions about your ability to accurately evaluate evidence.

[Krig the Viking]

My reflexes are decent (hit and a miss), but not nearly enough to suspect a correlation or put on my résumé. Peter Parker (consistent Alpha NT portrayal) provides a useful fictional example. Pre-bitten Peter Parker has dull and fairly terrible reflexes. It goes with his nerdy Alpha NT nature. What amazes Peter Parker about his powers is not only that he gains superhuman reflexes, but simply that he gains above-average reflexes. And that is what I think may be present here in this thread. It is admittedly an odd quality to notice. When people perceive a knack at an activity that runs counter to expectations, people may consciously notice and pick it up even more. For example, I have an exceptional knack of finding other people's lost keys. But I will likely not be starting a "Ne + Key Finding" thread anytime soon.

Another possibility that I've been wondering about is that perhaps this sort of reflex is related to our Super-Id Si, and in reality we Ne types are not all that great at catching things, but when we do manage to catch something, we get excited about demonstrating proficiency in a Super-Id function, and therefore tend to remember the times we catch things more than the times we drop things, and therefore get the false impression that we catch things more than we drop things.

I'm not sure this entirely accounts for the data, though.

[Logos]

Another possibility that I've been wondering about is that perhaps this sort of reflex is related to our Super-Id Si, and in reality we Ne types are not all that great at catching things, but when we do manage to catch something, we get excited about demonstrating proficiency in a Super-Id function, and therefore tend to remember the times we catch things more than the times we drop things, and therefore get the false impression that we catch things more than we drop things.

I'm not sure this entirely accounts for the data, though.

This is my thinking as well. It may not entirely account for the data, but based upon what evidence we do have, it may currently be the best explanation. The hypothesis can always be discarded or improved.

[Krig the Viking]

This is my thinking as well. It may not entirely account for the data, but based upon what evidence we do have, it may currently be the best explanation. The hypothesis can always be discarded or improved.

Speaking of improving the hypothesis, I was thinking: you can't use Ego and Super-Ego functions at the same time, but you can use Ego and Super-Id functions simultaneously, right? So while an Ne-Ego type may not be all that great at Si things, it's still active, 'running in the background' as it were, ready to catch falling pencils. An Ni-Ego type would have Si in his Super-Ego, meaning it would be 'deactivated' most of the time, unaware of the falling pencils.

I don't know if I'm describing how the Model A works properly, but could something like that be the case?

I guess the implication of what I'm saying is that Ne types may not have great reflexes, but they may at least be better than Ni types.

[The Exception]

But I will likely not be starting a "Ne + Key Finding" thread anytime soon.

Then I'll start the thread. It will be interesting to see where the thread takes off.