Agree with this. It's definitely the approach I'd recommend. The descriptions are only meant imo to flesh out ways that the elements can show up, to use as examples. People can get imo too caught up in behavioral aspects and neglect to look at the actual thought processes. Focusing primarily on the IEs can help bring cognition itself back into focus.Originally Posted by Olimpia
Socionics is about how to do not spend your love on those who do not deserve it.
so judgmental omg
I have judgmental type.
We stay with a honor on the peak of peoples reason. Protecting weak humans minds from the chaos of the reality.
You are IEI when you think that types are not important as you may dream yourself as a dual or a unicorn.
Do not underestimate types to use weak functions
Last edited by Sol; 07-10-2018 at 07:15 PM.
That's rather Delta NF. Unvalued Ti (dislike for type boxes) and Ne ego (coming up with random unicorn stuff).
Ne is about objective, including personal traits. It's Ni about something "own" and fantasy dreamworlds without limts ( including with unicorns ). Base Ni = the most strange, speculative and mystic perception of the world.
With also weak and nonvalued Te - facts of the reality matter not much (hence easier to ignore the degree a type version contradicts to the experience), while valued Ti predisposes to categorizations but speculative.
Such IEI may to have the most inclination to assign themselves random types. The example is niffer who dreams herself as own dual.
With nonvalued Ti people are inclined to do not assign random "boxes", but just lesser to use the typology. But if they use, - they care more about Te facts.
What you described would fit EII-Ne much better. They also have strong Ni but don't value Ti boxing. IEI has and values -Ti, black and white logic. They like boxes. Ni lead is speculative, but there is still the valuing of Se and Ti in the background, which EII doesn't have. Also, the IEI-Ni has boosted Ti so they will be more inclined to putting things into boxes. EII can arguably be way more speculative if they engage in their Intuition. Their speculation is not bound by Ti and Se valuing. Though they do like factual information, that is the bound they may have, but EII has 1D Te, so there won't be much in the way there. Niffer is arguably not even Ti valuing btw.
Assigning themselves random types is something I see mostly Delta NFs doing to themselves, especially those whose Fi is boosted.
Jungian typology is quite Ti, and the kinds of people who have the most issue with it and complain about not wanting to be "put into a box" are usually Ti PoLR followed by weakened Ti Role. (Aka mainly xEE-Fi and sometimes ExI-Fi). Imagining themselves to be unicorns or furries for that matter is almost always a Delta NF + Type 4 thing. Not all 4s are IEI.
@Olimpia: The IEE "don't box me in, man" is more about Ne than Ti, because SEEs don't have the same kinds of issues with it. The IEEs are seeing possibilities beyond/besides the current concrete reality.
Also, 4D Ti doesn't really box things the way you might imagine, because there are more ways to categorize and connect things than simple discreet boxes(you've taken some writing classes, yes? you know how there are rules to follow for "good writing" but actual good writers don't always follow those rules. That's the way it is with 4D functions, you know the rules well enough to go beyond them to the actual essence or meaning behind the rule, if that makes sense. So, being very strict with categorizations and not being able to see how things may not fit those categories or may stretch to multiple ones is often 2D "norms" and lower Ti.)
Last edited by squark; 07-11-2018 at 04:42 PM. Reason: typo
Nah, I have seen the same issue with SEE-Fi people.
*cough* idontgiveaf *cough*
Besides that, a couple of IEEs I have personally talked to were somewhat more open to "boxing in" (usually those who were Ne subtype or no subtype). I am guessing it is the connect on -Ti. Their Dual SLI is -Ti Dem. -Ti is more black and white logic, whereas +Ti is more permissible in certain ways. +Ti considers the exceptions to the rule much more often than -Ti does. -Ti is categorical and the stereotypical definition of Ti lead. Which is somewhat ironic, considering that LSI are +Ti lead.
But anyway, based on cognition style and unconscious "dual expectations", it seems like IEEs *can* be more okay with categorical "boxes" sometimes, due to their Dual being that way at times.
The ones in opposite quadra may to be people too.
Socionics is not a game. It should not be fun. Be prepared for a pain and a humilation.
If something does not fit to your opinion about someone's type then just ignore that. No one cares about your opinion, anyway.
Socionics was made in USSR
so to understand it good you need 2 important components
vodka and balalaika
If you are a noob (in case you don't identify types regularly and better IRL for years - don't flatter to yourself, you are such) then you have no enough experience and sometimes even basic theory knowledge to be reasonably sure in your opinion about your type, or someone's else type. So when you get a disagreement with this opinion - you are starting to get significant doubts. Taking that real typing matches are <20% - it's rather common when a noob mistakes in a type - so to see disagreements about types is common too. This problem makes many noobs significantly upset. Especially with F types, as to be sure in T region about types is harder for them.
The popular way to supress the reasonable criticism is emotions! Just blame, insult, bark at your opponent. Emotions is the good way to supress the thinking and hence doubts too. You'll feel better with keeping your opinion! It's also useful to start personal relations with other noobs on a forum who agree with your opinion - so you'll be geting emotional support for that opinion and mb even a support in collective barking against those who disagree with you.
It's especially useful to establish personal relations with a mod, who generally are same noobs and understand your problems, - to ask him to ban or assign censorship restrictions to those who disagee with you - to do this against the rules. Suprisingly, they often do so just to give you a pleasure and such to support further pleasant flooding with you. As it's hard for noobs to discuss, to understand and to use the typology good - but to flood they may good and mainly use forums for this. Ideally, would be to ask change the rules (unofficial forum's requirements, at least) to forbid disageements with you - to forbid discuss types on a typology forum. It's more suprisingly there exist such cases - typology forums where to say opinions about types is partly forbidden. As noobs are the majority on all typology forums, so it's doubtful there is a popular forum without illegal or by rules/requirements a typology censorship.
Aggression leads to little understanding of a subject - much better to argue calmly with your opponent (especially arguing about the implications of the applied system, if such a thing is the subject of discussion). It makes little sense to visit a typology forum while not wishing to consider different perspectives on the pertinent school of typology and perspectives on your own place within that system.
If to take enough of drugs or alcohol then any heretical theory about types will start to work!
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