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    For the last time, questionnaire videos are not for VI (visual identification), they're for PI (psychological identification). Guessing type based on the shape of your face or even your mannerisms isn't nearly as reliable as trying to characterize your motivations and strengths.

    Some observations:

    -emphasis on creativity
    -admires creative people who are "heralded" for their creations and manifested their imagination, and wants to do that
    -wants to make a video game that "garners mass appeal" w/ "experiences that life can't give you"
    -loves escaping reality, "reality to me is boring" (ex: can't fly, ride on the back of a dragon, shoot beams out of your hands)
    -shy
    -hates the getting to know you process "so do you come here often", wants to get to the important stuff
    -in romantic relations? tries to inspire interest, by being funny, interesting, unusual, fun to be around
    -identifies not only with faith but political worldview, affects his closeness to someone - can't "be all of myself"
    -doesn't like people who try to act tough all the time
    -pranks people
    -dislikes "pointless niceness"
    -likes emotional dramas

    Some significant quotes from your written questionnaire:

    has talked about "business branding, how companies are percieved by consumers and the companies themselves and how their perspectives differ"
    "Being plunged into this world where humans can use elemental powers and fight against each other was just the coolest thing ever"
    "trying to make my imaginations a reality and seeing this as much more futile and impossible as compared to what this man has accomplished"
    "that I am just doomed to only ever doing what I have always done, sit around, dream, and doing nothing"
    "I feel stuck because I am in this job that has nothing to do with my passion or what I want to do in life, I want to get out and attack my dreams but I cannot survive off that and I have bills to pay."
    "I also outgoing people, they energize me, like people who laugh loud and speak confidently."
    "I like people who can be playful and serious, that is a nice transition, too playful and I feel like we have to learn to be serious and too serious I feel like we have to relax."

    I think you're IEI. An Fe ignoring type is not generally going to care about reactions from others as you mentioned in many different forms (garnering mass appeal, branding, pranking, in romantic relationships). You may have problems with certain manifestations of Se but the fictional worlds you describe do have some element of it.

    The fact that your political and religious beliefs affect your relationships is natural to some extent but if anything, it suggests Ti, not Fi. A big part of morality is Ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    For the last time, questionnaire videos are not for VI (visual identification), they're for PI (psychological identification). Guessing type based on the shape of your face or even your mannerisms isn't nearly as reliable as trying to characterize your motivations and strengths.
    Look I didn't know any of that so if you think I'm trying to say it is VI I'm not. I thought if you send a video you have to tag it with VI or something.

    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post

    Some observations:

    -emphasis on creativity
    -admires creative people who are "heralded" for their creations and manifested their imagination, and wants to do that
    -wants to make a video game that "garners mass appeal" w/ "experiences that life can't give you"
    -loves escaping reality, "reality to me is boring" (ex: can't fly, ride on the back of a dragon, shoot beams out of your hands)
    -shy
    -hates the getting to know you process "so do you come here often", wants to get to the important stuff
    -in romantic relations? tries to inspire interest, by being funny, interesting, unusual, fun to be around
    -identifies not only with faith but political worldview, affects his closeness to someone - can't "be all of myself"
    -doesn't like people who try to act tough all the time
    -pranks people
    -dislikes "pointless niceness"
    -likes emotional dramas

    Some significant quotes from your written questionnaire:

    has talked about "business branding, how companies are percieved by consumers and the companies themselves and how their perspectives differ"
    "Being plunged into this world where humans can use elemental powers and fight against each other was just the coolest thing ever"
    "trying to make my imaginations a reality and seeing this as much more futile and impossible as compared to what this man has accomplished"
    "that I am just doomed to only ever doing what I have always done, sit around, dream, and doing nothing"
    "I feel stuck because I am in this job that has nothing to do with my passion or what I want to do in life, I want to get out and attack my dreams but I cannot survive off that and I have bills to pay."
    "I also outgoing people, they energize me, like people who laugh loud and speak confidently."
    "I like people who can be playful and serious, that is a nice transition, too playful and I feel like we have to learn to be serious and too serious I feel like we have to relax."

    I think you're IEI. An Fe ignoring type is not generally going to care about reactions from others as you mentioned in many different forms (garnering mass appeal, branding, pranking, in romantic relationships). You may have problems with certain manifestations of Se but the fictional worlds you describe do have some element of it.

    The fact that your political and religious beliefs affect your relationships is natural to some extent but if anything, it suggests Ti, not Fi. A big part of morality is Ti.
    Where is the Ni? And where is the Te PoLR? Where is the Ne ignoring?

    I did mention not liking politeness from other's also, or going along with the politeness. And infantile romance style tries to get reactions out of people.

    FWIW I've seen SEI Fe in full effect and that's not me. I've seen ESE and EIE Fe in full affect, and that's also not me.

    I can also tell you if you think I am Ti activating, I don't see it in myself, the function I hate the most when used against me is Ti, second is Se.
    Like I do't appreciate critical critique from others.


    I found these 2 descriptions of Ni and Ne, since people say sociotype is sketchy.

    http://www.socionics.com/articles/nifq.html

    1) Ni is responsible for the estimation of the passage of time, the understanding of a course of processes in time, and forecasting;
    2) Ni understand how things change and evolve over time and throughout history;
    3) Ni is acutely aware of events that are occurring outside of the immediate perception of the moment, and sees events as part of a continuous flow;
    4) Ni perceives the inevitability of future events and notices ties to the past.



    1) Ne is responsible for understanding the essence (permanent traits) of a thing, estimating opportunities and possibilities for people and things, and visualising potential outcomes of events;
    2) It is responsible for the sense of interest or boredom;
    3) Ne will speculate as to why an event occurs, but sees the specific event as static and unalterable.

    The bold are the things that I do.



    Here is Fe vs Fi

    http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1351

    Fe - Extraverted Ethics
    Quote:
    Fe is responsible for the perception of an emotional state in an individual and the bodily and linguistic expression of emotions. Fe is able to influence others' emotional condition and to communicate its own, "infecting" others. Fe is used especially in generating and recognizing excitement and enthusiasm.

    Fi - Introverted Ethics
    Quote:
    Fi is responsible for understanding the quality, nature, and proper maintenance of personal relations; makes moral judgments; and aspires to humanism and kindness. Fi has a strong understanding of the social hierarchy and how people feel about each other, their attitudes of like or dislike, enthrallment or disgust, repulsion or attraction, enmity or friendship.

    The bold is what I do the most . The red is what I don't do at all.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    Look I didn't know any of that so if you think I'm trying to say it is VI I'm not. I thought if you send a video you have to tag it with VI or something.



    Where is the Ni? And where is the Te PoLR? Where is the Ne ignoring?
    The Ni was being immersed in fictional worlds to escape reality.

    Te simply wasn't present in any obvious way, and you also mentioned how you find reality "boring".

    Ne ignoring can be seen in how you came off as extremely cynical.

    I did mention not liking politeness from other's also, or going along with the politeness. And infantile romance style tries to get reactions out of people.
    Politeness as you described is more like SiFe, so you may be reacting negatively to the Si part.

    I don't agree that "infantiles" try to get reactions out of people. That's a quality of Fe.

    FWIW I've seen SEI Fe in full effect and that's not me. I've seen ESE and EIE Fe in full affect, and that's also not me.

    I can also tell you if you think I am Ti activating, I don't see it in myself, the function I hate the most when used against me is Ti, second is Se.
    Like I do't appreciate critical critique from others.
    It's not clear why that's specifically Ti/Se, or why anyone would be expected to like that. Comparison typing doesn't really work btw, even assuming those people are typed correctly.

    I found these 2 descriptions of Ni and Ne, since people say sociotype is sketchy.

    http://www.socionics.com/articles/nifq.html

    1) Ni is responsible for the estimation of the passage of time, the understanding of a course of processes in time, and forecasting;
    2) Ni understand how things change and evolve over time and throughout history;
    3) Ni is acutely aware of events that are occurring outside of the immediate perception of the moment, and sees events as part of a continuous flow;
    4) Ni perceives the inevitability of future events and notices ties to the past.



    1) Ne is responsible for understanding the essence (permanent traits) of a thing, estimating opportunities and possibilities for people and things, and visualising potential outcomes of events;
    2) It is responsible for the sense of interest or boredom;
    3) Ne will speculate as to why an event occurs, but sees the specific event as static and unalterable.

    The bold are the things that I do.



    Here is Fe vs Fi

    http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1351

    Fe - Extraverted Ethics
    Quote:
    Fe is responsible for the perception of an emotional state in an individual and the bodily and linguistic expression of emotions. Fe is able to influence others' emotional condition and to communicate its own, "infecting" others. Fe is used especially in generating and recognizing excitement and enthusiasm.

    Fi - Introverted Ethics
    Quote:
    Fi is responsible for understanding the quality, nature, and proper maintenance of personal relations; makes moral judgments; and aspires to humanism and kindness. Fi has a strong understanding of the social hierarchy and how people feel about each other, their attitudes of like or dislike, enthrallment or disgust, repulsion or attraction, enmity or friendship.

    The bold is what I do the most . The red is what I don't do at all.





    This descriptions are not bad but they also aren't complete. An IEI has demonstrative Fi so they will use it quite a bit too.

    They're missing the connection of Ni to the imaginary world (not just "time") and Fe to things other than emotions. Interest/boredom is also Fe, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    The Ni was being immersed in fictional worlds to escape reality.

    Te simply wasn't present in any obvious way, and you also mentioned how you find reality "boring".

    Ne ignoring can be seen in how you came off as extremely cynical.



    Politeness as you described is more like SiFe, so you may be reacting negatively to the Si part.

    I don't agree that "infantiles" try to get reactions out of people. That's a quality of Fe.



    It's not clear why that's specifically Ti/Se, or why anyone would be expected to like that. Comparison typing doesn't really work btw, even assuming those people are typed correctly.



    This descriptions are not bad but they also aren't complete. An IEI has demonstrative Fi so they will use it quite a bit too.

    They're missing the connection of Ni to the imaginary world (not just "time") and Fe to things other than emotions. Interest/boredom is also Fe, for example.


    I don't seem convinced though, I have no issues with comfort and I enjoy comfort, I don't seek to exert myself with force or anything, I don't seek Ti when trying to understand something, when learning a topic or trying to understand something I am more of a bullet point person than an indepth analysis person, I seek the the answer more than the process. I don't care for semantics, I don't care for creating or preserving harmony, idk how I'm extremely cynical besides being bored with reality. I don't think reality is doomed and all hope is lost, it is just confining and that makes it boring. And EII uses Ni quite a bit too.

    The way I come up with ideas is by seeing things in my environment and drawing parallels between them, If I come up with a super hero character that uses both fire and ice powers I could easily call him Freezer Burn drawing the association between the 2 elements and an freezer burn making the name look "clever", not some deep subjective vague Ni association coming to the surface that seems to come out of nowhere. I imagine if an Ni user came up with a super hero character that uses fire they would call him Capsaicin or something, trying to capture the core essence of heat. My humor is also connective humor, puns, jokes, wordplay that is usually easily traceable.

    As far as Te seeking over Se seeking. I would much rather have someone help me out with establishing productive routines to get things done than someone forcing me out of my comfort zone or trying to get me out of my head and having more spontaneous experiences or to inspire me into action. Action is not the problem, it's knowing the best and most consistent actions to take. The problem is not what to do, but how to do it. I struggle with keeping a routine of productivity which is what I secretly wish I could do, wake up everyday and follow a schedule that gets things done. Even better, learning how to get the thing done as easy and convenient as possible, stream lining the process. To me convenient and efficient are practically synonyms.

    Idk, I just don't agree with this assesment is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    I don't seem convinced though, I have no issues with comfort and I enjoy comfort, I don't seek to exert myself with force or anything, I don't seek Ti when trying to understand something, when learning a topic or trying to understand something I am more of a bullet point person than an indepth analysis person, I seek the the answer more than the process. I don't care for semantics, I don't care for creating or preserving harmony, idk how I'm extremely cynical besides being bored with reality. I don't think reality is doomed and all hope is lost, it is just confining and that makes it boring. And EII uses Ni quite a bit too.

    The way I come up with ideas is by seeing things in my environment and drawing parallels between them, If I come up with a super hero character that uses both fire and ice powers I could easily call him Freezer Burn drawing the association between the 2 elements and an freezer burn making the name look "clever", not some deep subjective vague Ni association coming to the surface that seems to come out of nowhere. I imagine if an Ni user came up with a super hero character that uses fire they would call him Capsaicin or something, trying to capture the core essence of heat. My humor is also connective humor, puns, jokes, wordplay that is usually easily traceable.

    As far as Te seeking over Se seeking. I would much rather have someone help me out with establishing productive routines to get things done than someone forcing me out of my comfort zone or trying to get me out of my head and having more spontaneous experiences or to inspire me into action. Action is not the problem, it's knowing the best and most consistent actions to take. The problem is not what to do, but how to do it. I struggle with keeping a routine of productivity which is what I secretly wish I could do, wake up everyday and follow a schedule that gets things done. Even better, learning how to get the thing done as easy and convenient as possible, stream lining the process. To me convenient and efficient are practically synonyms.

    Idk, I just don't agree with this assesment is all.
    Some of those are fair points, but they don't explain the information that was presented in the video. At this point I'm getting the sense that you are more interested in having people confirm your self-typing than anything. So, I'm afraid I must exit the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Some of those are fair points, but they don't explain the information that was presented in the video. At this point I'm getting the sense that you are more interested in having people confirm your self-typing than anything. So, I'm afraid I must exit the discussion.
    Nah what you said seemed confusing so I was putting up more info for you. I was also defending why I think I am EII.

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