I am not sure how reliable this is since I basically wrote the whole thing, but have at it ...
http://socion.info/cgi-bin/beta3test...556516237.html
I am not sure how reliable this is since I basically wrote the whole thing, but have at it ...
http://socion.info/cgi-bin/beta3test...556516237.html
Primary/Secondary modes look to lean towards ENTp/ILE. But the rest says you've got Fe in your ego. Intuitive definately. My guess is INFp/IEI or ENFj/EIE.
Since this is your test, how are the modes calculated?
That faith makes blessed under certain circumstances, that blessedness does not make of a fixed idea a true idea, that faith moves no mountains but puts mountains where there are none: a quick walk through a madhouse enlightens one sufficiently about this. (A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.) - Friedrich Nietzsche
The primary and secondary modes are not always as relaiable with the type test as they are when actually looking at someone in person, but from watching myself and the functions I have noticed myself using I would go with either being ENTp or ENFj, personally. Other than that my relationships point towards ENTp.
heh. the only thing this test says is that you're an ENFp.. but since you've all but rebuked that type as being a match for you, I'm not sure.
Definite P. You're kinda unorganized, digitally. Definite N, you present things as though they are already self-evident.
xNxP. So from that, as you will..
(btw, look at your test.. everything says F, so maybe you are an INFp).
Ni - Fe - Ti - Se .....
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Question, why are you so sure that you're an extravert?
Because I feel bad and lethargic if I am not socializing with people, and I feel really really great after I have socialized with people. I can not stand to be alone and if I am and have no one to associate with, I get super depressed.Originally Posted by Rocky
Does that necessarily point to an extroverted base function? Could that not be a result of being a strong feeler and not getting to excercise that function?Originally Posted by rmcnew
I'm somewhat still new to this stuff.
That faith makes blessed under certain circumstances, that blessedness does not make of a fixed idea a true idea, that faith moves no mountains but puts mountains where there are none: a quick walk through a madhouse enlightens one sufficiently about this. (A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.) - Friedrich Nietzsche
Well, I have recently begun to reconsider being an ENFp ... I may make a thread as to why later on.Originally Posted by MySaviour
I've edited my post. I made a mistake when ordering your functions. The test says that your preferred function order of relevance is: Ni - Fe - Ti - Se ... pointing to INFp.Originally Posted by rmcnew
From http://socioniko.net/en/1.1.types/te.html:
5. A struggler for the emotional naturalness of people. He feels responsibility for mood of his friends and relatives, for their vital tonus. He uses his fine sense of humor to make them laugh, shake them up. In a company he scans the attendees not in order to find out what they are wearing, but in order to remark how each is feeling: this is exactly what he needs to relate to others. In general, he dreams of bringing harmony into society. History means to him history of the arts. He strives for beauty, which may be – poetry, arts, even nice trinkets. He himself strives to be refined. He adores communication with artists, poets, bohemians, and in general with exotic people.
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Well, everyone uses extroverted and introverted functions to some degree, but not everyone places the same confidence in the same functions. In my case, I tend to display alot of .Originally Posted by niveK
Not sure where you are getting the perfered ... I actually see the test as saying that I am close to being split between and with an preferance over . I would actually say that that is rather accurate.Originally Posted by MySaviour
Not quite the question I asked, but I see some of your reasoning behind why you might be extroverted.Originally Posted by rmcnew
I was specifically referring to what you described, which seemed to me more of a general idea of outgoingness.
That faith makes blessed under certain circumstances, that blessedness does not make of a fixed idea a true idea, that faith moves no mountains but puts mountains where there are none: a quick walk through a madhouse enlightens one sufficiently about this. (A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.) - Friedrich Nietzsche
no, no.. I looked at the preferred function order.. so basically, I compared the function order of each different type with the one you have on the page. And of all 16 possibilities INFp is the only type that matched.Originally Posted by rmcnew
You could very well be ENTp, as ENTp's tend to test as INFp when they are depressed, or so.
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I can't speak for MySaviour, but I thought based on the fact that while both N's were fairly strong (though leaning towards ), you're judging function seemed a very strong . And since one's ego cannot have homoverted functions, made the most sense.Originally Posted by rmcnew
That faith makes blessed under certain circumstances, that blessedness does not make of a fixed idea a true idea, that faith moves no mountains but puts mountains where there are none: a quick walk through a madhouse enlightens one sufficiently about this. (A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.) - Friedrich Nietzsche
As far as introversion and extroversion goes, I agree with the Jung/socionic definition of introversion and extroversion in that outgoingness and unsociability has little to do in determining whether you have a dominant first introverted or extroverted function. I really really hate it when people try to determine whether someone has a dominant introverted or extroverted function by using concrete or stereotypical examples for that very reason.Originally Posted by niveK
In my case, I tend to focus alot and expend actual energy on comprehending what other people believe and making contrast on the good and negitive points, which is a manifestation of and . Because I also have noticed myself using some and and almost almost totally ignoring using and I say that is a good reason to believe I am an extrovert just for that reason alone.
Introverts can get lonely or bored when they are by themselves TOO MUCH as well. I'd say if an introvert is alone for an extended period of time, he may consider himself an extravert because he sees himself needing some kind of social stimulation. Same thing with extraverts needy some time alone after too much time with people. The diffrence is that extraverts seem to have more of a tolerance for being with people, while introverts have more of a tolerance for being along. But it is only relative, and the degree depends on how far to the extra- intro- verted "scale" you are.
Exactly... Yin/Yang.Originally Posted by Rocky
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Are you sure that you're not confusing Fe for Se?Originally Posted by rmcnew
That would fit with the fact that humans are social creatures and require socialization, no matter who they are. It would also fit with the socionics premise that we're psychologically deficient and need relationships to complement what we lack.Originally Posted by Rocky
That faith makes blessed under certain circumstances, that blessedness does not make of a fixed idea a true idea, that faith moves no mountains but puts mountains where there are none: a quick walk through a madhouse enlightens one sufficiently about this. (A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.) - Friedrich Nietzsche
Yup ... unless using means not handling being put under pressure very well and trying to compensate by acting overly agressive.Originally Posted by Rocky
Actually, I agree with both of these points.Originally Posted by niveK
So once again...
Does that indicate the base function is extraverted?Originally Posted by rmcnew
That faith makes blessed under certain circumstances, that blessedness does not make of a fixed idea a true idea, that faith moves no mountains but puts mountains where there are none: a quick walk through a madhouse enlightens one sufficiently about this. (A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.) - Friedrich Nietzsche
Good question, I think the the fact that there are so many varying opinions as to what type I am makes me want to consider them and might confuse me a little. I will get back with you tomorow after I have sorted through this chaotic mess of thoughts.Originally Posted by niveK
And I also have to contend with the fact that others may point out that I have contradicted myself, which in that case I shall admit I tend to use alot of abstract examples and may not always be concrete enough in my methods. I suppose that may be as rediculously irritating to some who may be too concrete and not abstract enough.
Fair enough. Something was brought to my attention about socionic's order of functions.. it was a rather enlightening experience; however, it didn't change the fact that you could be Ni - Fe - Si - Te, but it did add to the mix: Ne - Ti - Se - Fi.Originally Posted by rmcnew
So, I'll conclude my additions to this thread, and converge upon your being either INFp, or ENTp (with a leaning towards ENTp).
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The thing is that the way model-a is structured it is impossible to make an argument that I am an INFp without making an equally viable argument that I am ENTp. Neither one of them use much and the 8th function and 4th function are together dual phobic functions. Also, I am not always very aware that I use or can use , but I am aware when I use which could mean I am ENTp on the account that is a conscious function and is an unconscious function that may not be known as a conscious skill to me.
Is the test designed to notice functions that you may use but not consciously realize you use them?
That faith makes blessed under certain circumstances, that blessedness does not make of a fixed idea a true idea, that faith moves no mountains but puts mountains where there are none: a quick walk through a madhouse enlightens one sufficiently about this. (A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.) - Friedrich Nietzsche
Well...Originally Posted by rmcnew
(BTW, the Gulenko and Reinin descriptions are bullshit, but dynamic/static do exsit)Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
What I was hinting at is that you may have Fe as a creative function, which you are confusing for having some Se. Fe as a creative funciton makes you reactionary. The dynamical types all seem like "spark plugs" to me. I think that is possibly why the SiXe types in MBTI may have been confused for being Se. Of course we know, that's not true. Se has other qualities to it, but being aggressive or reactionary isn't really one of them. You can notice a lot of irrational introverts getting animated, actually. That is, if you can spark their second, judging function. Se has more to do with knowing how much pressure to apply, appealing to authority, and usually some kind of persistance (that is, unless they become lazy).
.. I pointed this out awhile ago, but you might have misunderstood me...Originally Posted by rmcnew
So what I'm saying is that, yes, Fe types can act overly agressive.
Since you asked this, I will say that one potential problem I have perceived about my typology test is between the EGO and ID block. Not everyone is consciously aware that they can use their 7th and specifically 8th functions and so people come out weak on those when they are really strong. So, the best answer I can give you is that the ID functions may show on the test as weak functions even though they are strong functions.Originally Posted by niveK
The problem with this argument is that what you described is not just an problem, it has everything to do with a weak and is also manifested the same ways in ENTjs as it is in ENFjs. However, I think pointing this out actually shows a greater possibility of having an hidden agenda or a really weak ROLE function than it does actually having as a creative function. Plus, I am knowledgable enough to know when the facts are being twisted around with . I am not sure if I agree with that even though I am making considerations for it.Originally Posted by Rocky
Yes, you're right, it does... but because they are both still dynamical types. That kind of animation or reactions is tied to the Extraverted Judging functions, Te and Fe. In other words, if you have concious Extraverted Judging functions, you will appear more reactionary. I don't think it's realted to Se because you can see that it is not apparent in dominant Se types.Originally Posted by rmcnew
Well, then I'd like to hear from someone who has Se as a Role funciton.However, I think pointing this out actually shows a greater possibility of having an hidden agenda or a really weak ROLE function than it does actually having as a creative function.
Originally Posted by Carl Jung