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    Default Evolution of ESTp/INFp duality...

    Some of you may know this situation from reading other posts. Basically ive decided to make a thread about the progression of a daul relationship, conveniently enough...my own.
    So the story goes...
    -him: INFp me:ESTp
    -We work together
    -he's 18 yrs older
    -infp 3x divorced, currently going through one

    We worked in the same office for a while, constantly bickering/flerting...over a couple months time I guess you can say we developed an admiration for each other...very obvious. After those couple months at a work function (alcohol involved) we ended up hooking up...big time. The best, i thought of it as completey casual and fun. I was absent from work for two weeks, i had a task elsewhere, so i didn't see him at all. After I returned to work, I saw him briefly in a hall and we talked and you could feel the tension/attraction (both very positive) and we have a small conversation, I found out he recieved a tasking that's a month long. I have seen him twice since the firest time in the hall. Again about a week later, I saw him in passing and there was a very werid atmosphere talking to him and walking. We hardly looked at each other and the conversation seemed bleh. Then I saw him again in the little canteen we have at work, and he I asked for something from the girl who works behind the counter, and he handed me what I needed, but I didnt take it from him I just said thats not what I had particularly wanted. He was not a part of this conversation but involved himself in it briefly anyway. After he got what he needed he proceeded to hastly exit from the canteen.

    Up to now, that's all that's occured. Like I stated, I thought of it as just a casual and fun thing, but I realized after not seeing him for so long that I actually missed him, and when I saw him for the first time after those two weeks, I knew I had some sort of feeling for him. The situation is complicated by the fact he's going through a divorce and I was probably just a young play thing for him for that night...which of course I didnt mind...AT ALL! AHA, best repeated sex ever...by repeated I mean all night, all morning and afternoon long...completely mind blowing.

    What Im wondering about is this last two times Ive seen him, both were very breif...what's going on? Is he just disinterested or is this how INFp behaves? And why do they behave like so and for what reasons. Im still very fresh about learning about INFps...

    I forgot to add the fact that I emailed him my number, he read it about a week after I sent it to him he read the email and nothing...I get read-reciepts when someone opens my emails.



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    Aww.. omg =[ I feel for you, ISTP (what's your real name?)

    This is strange, yes. Being 18 years younger than him can really eff up whatever good was had, you know? It sucks that it is Duality.. and I love it how you say you actually realized you missed him. Aww, ESTps realizing they have true feelings for someone = <3 Yep, INFps.. well, this does sound a bit sketchy that he is not replying to your email =[ Not to make you feel worse, but if I was in that situation and I really felt strongly, I would waste no time. I think Betazoids are similar in this fact - if there is a connection, we waste NO time into jumping straight into something... don't see the point in really waiting.

    Well, there is still hope and I say since it *is* Duality.. go and GET him.. maybe he's just being passive and feels bad about the whole sex with a younger woman thing? :S Though I am not sure what male would really feel bad about that, since you are very good looking. All in all, don't stress over it too much, just grab him by the throat and be like.. "Yo... let's... get together.."


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    Well you see, previously whenever I would send him an email, unrelated to our "situation" (work-related) and what not, he wouldnt reply. I dont think he's ever replied to my emails. Generally whatever it was that needed a response, he would find me and we'd discus it in person. There was only one time, that he sent me one, and it was a comical one making fun of men. All he stated in it was " thought you might like this..." and then the message followed..it was quite funny. Reason why he sent me the male-bashing email is because a lot of our quirky arguments and whatnot always stemmed from his supposed hate for women (his ex hurt him really bad) and my hate towards men (really bad previous experiences). It was basicaly all joking and what not and he thought i'd like it because it was bashing men.
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    Two things possible:

    1.) He's old enough not to be as comfortable communicating so intimately/informallly via email.
    2.) Honestly, INFps can be passive-agressive. He may be trying to send you a message he's not comfortable saying outright, in which case you're better off letting him go.

    Actually, one more possibility: He might just be nervous about calling... although you did mention you two had sex (and then some), so I'm not sure what there is to be shy about at this point, lol.
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    Actually, one more possibility: He might just be nervous about calling... although you did mention you two had sex (and then some), so I'm not sure what there is to be shy about at this point, lol.
    Well...I dont know what it could be honestly. We're in the military, and there's the whole issue of rank. Seeing as how he's up there, and im just a private, could be a big cause for concern. I dont really see how it could be one, from my point of view; if we just kept our mouths shut. I want to say that I would love for this to be just a casual thing if anything, but I honestly cannot. I think if I had the choice between seeing him casually and never seeing him again in my life...I would probably choose the latter (after hooking up with him one more time AHAH..yes...it was THAT great!). I think about him constantly and sometimes I'll pass him on base when Im going somewhere at lunch or whereever...and if im having the worst day...it completely changes. I just get all giddy and what not, and that generally doesnt happen with me too often. I think it'd be more painful to see him casually and not be able to have a real relationship than never seeing him agian. Sort of like forbidden fruit, you can smell it but can't take the bit. It sucks ass.

    I think these feelings for him are starting to make me sound like a psycho-chick, all needy and shit but I can't help it. I hate the fact that I'm like this, because I hate it when i see other chicks behaving or thiking the way I am right now. I feel totally girlie-girl.
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    If you think THAT'S psycho, you should see the kind of things INFps write about their sweethearts. The feeling is usually mutual.

    Intra-military relationships are actually getting more and more commonplace. I guess the isolating nature of service/training makes it work pretty well. I can understand the rank aspect. That, in combination with your age difference makes things kind of awkward. It may be the case that he sees you more as his "young plaything" which, for him at least, may exclude your viability as relationship material. Also, keeping in mind that the guy's had three divorces already... he might be a bit gun-shy at this point at the prospect of getting involved with yet another woman so soon.

    I'm not sure what to tell you... if things DON'T work out, I don't think you've got anything to worry about. ESTps are resilient, if anything. You're young, attractive, and have <- all this will work in your favor, and you will almost certainly come across someone else sometime in the near future who will be great in bed and make you go all giggly. Like heath said, there actually isn't really a paucity of INFp guys in the military. They seem susceptible to recruitment campaigns.
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    From a purely Socionics perspective --

    In a ESTp-INFp duality, it is for the ESTp to provide the initiative (as the extrovert) and "take charge" (as the ) and have the certainty of things (as the ). The INFp is to respond, and have the perception of how far to go and of the possible consequences ( ) and of the emotional state of the relationship ( ).

    What I think may be happening is that the external circumstances work against that kind of duality. My guess is that the INFp doesn't really know what he wants and is sort of passive and indecisive; in more neutral circumstances it would be up to the ESTp to take charge. I suspect it sort of happened already, when you actually got together. But in the context of the military, and as he's the guy, a work colleague, and of superior rank, you can't really act as the ESTp "would" and be more assertive.

    His not replying to mails can be the general passivity/indecisiveness, or just a concern about saying anything of that nature to a private over e-mail.

    Again, I suspect he probably doesn't know what he wants or what to do of even if he's supposed to do anything.
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    Yeah, we'll see how this goes...I feel pretty rejected, therefore I kinda want to crush him. However, at the same time I feel bad for thinking that way because I like him, and I can understand the situation he's in right now. Besides, whatever happend...happend because it was inevitable. I guess this trun out was inevitable as well. Can't mess with what's meat to be.
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