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[Eliza Thomason]

Can you give an unique observable property of "God" that is observable? Otherwise I have no reason to believe that you get your ideology from superstitious men from thousands of years ago who thought that Thunder and Lightning was "God" being angry with them.

You want me to prove to you that God exists. I don't believe you don't know it or that you want to know he exists.

The will is powerful. It is a gift of God, and we are free to use it for our ill or for our good.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

You want me to prove to you that God exists. I don't believe you don't know it or that you want to know he exists.

The will is powerful. It is a gift of God, and we are free to use it for our ill or for our good.

I don't want you to prove it. I'm just asking you to give an unique property of "God" that is observable.

You seem to think that belief is a virtue.

edit: I don't want you to prove "God" simply because I already know that you would be unable to do so if you cannot give an unique property that is observable.

[Eliza Thomason]

I don't want you to prove it. I'm just asking you to give an unique property of "God" that is observable.

You seem to think that belief is a virtue.

edit: I don't want you to prove "God" simply because I already know that you would be unable to do so if you cannot give an unique property that is observable.

I have not seen God, but I believe. By the grace of God, I will stake my life on it, if He wills that for me. But there are so many, many that have done just that, and there always will be those who would rather die than renounce their faith. The blood of the martyrs is the fertile ground from which faith grows.

John 20:29 "Jesus saith unto him, 'Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.'"

Yes, they are blessed. Faith is a precious gift. It is the best thing about my life. My greatest treasure.

And yes - faith is a virtue. Mankind has traditionally recognized it as one of the three greatest virtues.

Corinthians 13: 13 - "And now abideth faith, hope, charity*, these three; but the greatest of these is charity." *[Caritas: the altruistic love]

Yes, love is the greatest. And God is love.


Can you give a property of love that is observable?

[Socionics Is A Cult]

I have not seen God, but I believe. By the grace of God, I will stake my life on it, if He wills that for me. But there are so many, many that have done just that, and there always will be those who would rather die than renounce their faith. The blood of the martyrs is the fertile ground from which faith grows.

John 20:29 "Jesus saith unto him, 'Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.'"

Yes, they are blessed. Faith is a precious gift. It is the best thing about my life. My greatest treasure.

And yes - faith is a virtue. Mankind has traditionally recognized it as one of the three greatest virtues.

Corinthians 13: 13 - "And now abideth faith, hope, charity*, these three; but the greatest of these is charity." *[Caritas: the altruistic love]

Yes, love is the greatest. And God is love.


Can you give a property of love that is observable?

To paraphrase Bertrand Russell: “I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong.”

I can define "Love" as a concept that has a tangible physiological effect, for example, elevated oxytocin levels when in the company of those I consider my "loved" ones.

You quote the Gospels regarding "Doubting Thomas" - Thomas was criticised for wanting evidence - the people who were blessed were those who believed without evidence. You're only confirming my earlier observation that "Religious people on the whole value faith over observation, sadly."

If you believe something without evidence, it is no more rational for you to believe in the existence of Yahweh then in Allah or Moroni or Zeus or Albus Dumbledore. Believing in Dumbledore is actually more rational if you believe that Yahweh has no physical manifestation.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

The will is powerful. It is a gift of God, and we are free to use it for our ill or for our good.

“Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills.” ― Arthur Schopenhauer