I think I've noticed that each type as per my quatritypes theory has its own psyche-yoga type. So there are four, and it depends on which cognition you are using for which is the dominant one at a given time.
I just don't relate. Forgive me for not liking the sound of being categorized into either an anal logician, a fussy rich person, a boomer who hates diplomacy and enjoys hammering walls in anger, or a crybaby.
Y'know what fuck, I'll be Bukharin.
edit: or Ghazali. I like the sound of ExLx
Basically similar to an Irrational feeler in Socionics.
Last edited by cry; 12-18-2019 at 08:25 PM.
Looks like I'm the first to get V first on the psycho yoda.
VFEL
Eh, doesn't fit me. I'm not goal-oriented.
Nope, nope. I don't care what is offensive to my surrounding culture or environment. The fashion choices of culture and environment may be offensive to me. And hygiene is not one of the subjects I would openly receive criticism about, especially from a male. I also don't put much thought into looking presentable, nor do I talk about my purchases...I don't often make purchases.
Not understanding my own emotions means I'm less likely to be emotional. I don't do emotional tirades; I emotionally withdraw. I do analyze my emotions though.
No, I clearly answered during the test that I'm fine having logical discussions with people I disagree with.
LEVF, second best option would be LVEF.
Last edited by myresearch; 12-19-2019 at 01:15 PM.
This VFEL thingy sounds like mb @Sol (irllmaorofllolz) not you.
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I looked at the first pages of that pdf you linked and figured: "I'd have to be 1L or 1F, 'cause I'm not 1V or 1E. I would be 2V. I'm E3. Hm...I guess I would be FVEL." It doesn't fit me as poorly as the others, but it still doesn't fit me. I think this is just a bad system.
Goddammit why did I spend so much time playing some form of typology sudoku...
So really it comes down to Dumas, Pushkin, Borgia, & Bukharin.
Posting the much better (albeit machine translated) descriptions of the types again:
https://translate.google.com/transla...00190,15700253
Ok what is this fluttery bullshit? Clearly the writer has Second logic... Or is every Russian this extra? "To say that the “rhetorician" is a big fan of talking is to say nothing." ---> this writer in essence
"3rd Emotion is the most defenseless creature in the world. The 3rd Physics protects the right from blows at the very least, the 3rd Logic and the 3rd Will are protected from blows with a sin in half by ethics, but there is neither ethics, nor the right that can at least hypothetically take up the defense of the “cracker” from the most painful for him strokes: tantrums and generally emotional executions."
"Starting my story about the 3rd Will, I want to warn you right away: here we are entering the darkest and most painful circle of the life of the human spirit. Therefore, I apologize in advance to readers with the 3rd Will for the frankness with which I will have to talk about the hidden and painful side of their existence."
"Before speaking of the First Functions, I have already mentioned that certain deviations are associated with them in psychiatry. Now it’s time to say that the majority of such risk groups are “philistines”: a combination of 1st Emotion with 3rd Will gives manic-depressive psychosis, a combination of 1st Logic with 3rd Will - paranoia, a combination of 1st Physics with 3rd Will - pathological stinginess and cruelty."
I honestly refuse to be this author's dual, and I'd be proud to be a "schoolboy" if it meant not having to read this ever again.
Ummm... I know IEE who said to me: You just talk and never go to a conclusion. I really suspect of being one f*cked up Andersen... as they all are alongside with Pascals. As for manic depressive: a psychologist asked me about this. I said that I don't do too crazy stuff but I fluctuate like crazy.
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Afanasyev is the creator of the system so he had to flesh it out as much as he could (though apparently, he died and the system still isn't all that fleshed out). I don't believe he's saying that all such types are like that, just extreme examples that he's highlighting. I relate to the VELF description quite a bit despite the author devoting an entire section to ******.
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When you're looking for your dual but accidentally encounter your activator thereby misaligning your chakras and propelling you into the lower animal realms for all of eternity.
https://bestsocionics.com/basics-of-attitudinal-psyche/
Functions in psychosophy
Thus, the combination of these properties sets the functions of the Afanasiev’s model. Let’s consider their main qualities of work:
The First Function is subjective, unconscious and introverted. For this function the own aspect state is priority (though the person does not realize it enough as it is displaced from sphere of his or her attention). Avoiding its frequent changes (in order not to concentrate on it once again), each person tries to maintain stability of the aspect state according to his or her First Function. In addition, this state is weakly influenced by the surrounding people – its change usually occurs when the person himself wants it. At the same time, the first function is characterized by the aspiration (first of all, in one’s own interests) to influence other people through the aspect.
The Second Function is subjective, conscious and extraverted. This function determines the high interest of the bearer of the type to the aspect state of other people and the aspiration to influence it. The aspect which is on the position of the Second Function is realized in full measure and is constantly in the sphere of attention of the person. In this connection, the Second Function tries to provoke changes in the aspect state (first of all, in someone else’s state) in order to fill with it his or her attention. At the same time, the bearer of the type weakly gives in to the influence of others, being independent in the formation of his or her aspect state of Second Function. Thus, this function determines the zone of a person’s free creativity: its consciousness gives a lot of energy to realize itself on this aspect, and its extraversion nature makes it invulnerable to criticism.
TheThird Function is objective, conscious and introverted. This function (like the Second one) defines the constant concentration on its aspect state. Therefore, a person needs to fill in his or her attention with stable changes of the aspect state. At the same time, the Third Function prioritizes its own aspect state, so its attention is more focused on changes in itself. Also, this function is noticeably influenced (even if it does not want to). For this reason, bearers of this type tend to concentrate on minimizing undesired and maximizing desired effects on themselves. It is important to note that the Third Function contains the maximum potential for human development: its introversion determines the attention to one’s ambitions, and consciousness gives a sufficient amount of energy for their realization.
The Fourth Function is objective, unconscious and extraverted. This function has a minimal need for interaction in its aspect state, and at the same time it tends to be influenced by other people. As a result, not having high requirements to itself, it is guided by the inquiries on the aspect state, coming from other people.
EFVL
ELVFs are great storytellers. They can make a person feel a wide depth of emotions through their crafty use of language and story telling. This type, nicknamed “the poet”, is able to build a colorful picture of their desires and they often use this to negotiate their responsibilities through lengthy discussions. Unfortunately, ELVFs tend to have an attitude that does not aid them in exerting their willpower to take care of every day tasks. It’s not that an ELVF is lazy, however, they can sometimes lack attentiveness to chores and errands. This lack of willpower is often what leads this type to experiencing anxiety and restlessness. ELVFs spends a lot of time developing their emotional worlds through exploration of their own and others’ minds. They enjoy conversing and sharing interesting tidbits and ideas that they’ve gathered over time. However, as much as they love to express themselves at length, they are always scanning information to gain more insight to share in the future. ELVFs are intrigued by things that are bizarre and theoretical. They may become interested in taboo or unexplored topics, while refusing to let anyone deter their wandering mind. This type usually does not get caught up in materialism and physical desires, unless it aids them in one of their emotional revelations. “The Poet” may also experience deep anxiety when attempting to organize their goals and future career plans. This worrisome nature in regards to their own volition may cause them to ignore their physical needs and they can often leave their environment in disarray if they can’t manage their own stress. However, a tool they do have is being able to heavily research and keep themselves motivated with their intense emotions. They can overcome hardships by expanding their poetic thoughts and artistic touch while sharing them with the world. Overall, ELVFs bring a unique vision to life while refusing to bend to the banality and expectations of society.
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Ahem. It's been years since I looked at this stuff which is good because I've forgotten enough to not con myself. However, I really doubt F should be last in all of this and it's mainly because I do have resourceful powers. For instance I've been figuring out how to mod games lately. I have a strong ability to problem solve, and I trust my problem-solving sense, which enables me to figure out how to do things I otherwise do not understand (no knowledge) using this sort of intuition alone, and that feels like an F-like intuition. The ability to look at something as a "mechanism" in my mind, and to constantly change the form of this abstract model as I learn more. I may not know technical terms or anything technical, but I can construct an abstract structure that I can't explain in concrete terms that leads to being able to get a game to do something I want it to do. I generally use personification as a way of looking at it (as though it is a mind, and one must consider what it knows and what it does not, this helps in leading to a revelation about why it crashes for instance). Anyway my problem-solving aptitude is generally not serving me in "real life" and it remains a raw ability that hasn't been harnessed into a skill set because I don't understand how to become an expert at anything or how to develop my raw potentials into anything useful. But this just doesn't float with my vague recollections of F, for F to be the last "function" here. Game modding is only one example of expression of this aptitude, which has manifested over and over in life.
I do struggle with all the crap like getting anything done or doing anything at all, and at this point I'm floating lifeless barely able to control any aspect of my life, and I'm scared because I am basically rotting away because of this. And I would actually go so far to say I AM lazy. I need intense interest at this point to prompt me into doing anything, and that has nothing to do with willpower and everything to do with curiosity (the need to understand). All willpower has been lost (and that was always a weakness, just one that used to be managed better before inability to cope took over). So weak V fits.
PS: The OP link led to page not found. I accessed the test through here: https://www.attitudinalpsyche.com/. Sharing in case anyone else had the same problem. I am so used to dead pages with anything related to Socionics/Russian personality stuff, I almost assumed there was no way to get to the test and almost didn't bother to look.
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ETA I took it again (next day now) and got the same result, though there were at least a few questions I think I may have answered differently by picking the other option I'd been considering instead. I don't know what this test is funneling, so at least I still feel blind, which is refreshing compared to socionics tests.
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Conclusion I am fine with this I think because it's about priorities. It's true my priorities are elvf. I'd thought F was about skills or something, but it does seem to be all the stuff I prioritize last. E is definitely what I care about most (how I feel about something is an imperative and more important than anything else). Next is what I think about it, and if it makes sense. The things I perceive myself as having no will to do are all F things, that's where I'm really falling apart. I perceive it as a willpower problem but it's about will to do these F things.
With V and F prioritized last this fits with how I can think about ideas of how to fix my life but it's like my head is cut off from my body. Feelings and thoughts are disconnected from action and I've never understood how they are connected in some people I observe. It seems magical.
Last edited by marooned; 07-04-2020 at 07:42 PM.
I get in the same area Aster. I kept getting FEVL on the test, but I'm not sure if it's the best fitting or not. Someone more into this told me they thought I was E first and F second (V last, I think they think I'm EFVL actually lol). I have myself as potential FEVL, FVEL, EFLV and EFVL at the moment. I was concerned about what this meant as far as my socionics type, but there are EIE who are E last and LSI who have L low in their stacking so I've been noticing that things like aptitude for keeping tidy, for example, are not actually a great indicator of intuition or sensing. My dad is tidy and is EIE, I know many sensors, including a SLI here on the forum who recently said they are basically slobs.
Just realized my mistake in this post. I could have swore my friend said V last, but also the adorner type? I'm not sure, but it's safe to say E and F are my first 2.
Last edited by thegreenfaerie; 07-01-2020 at 10:06 PM.
I got LEFV
I had a look at this in detail, took the test several times to be sure (because the questions sometimes get confusing?).. also had a look at the theory and how its put together.
After all that I'm confident its ELVF ..
what caught my eye was the 3V of ELVF.. its exactly how I handle it. Interesting that this is the area of most growth. means I can expand this to be even stronger. 100% want to do that tbh.
Otherwise L2 is a given, its easy, i don;t care much for the material world so F4.. which leaves E1... and they fit together O.o in a way that describes me rather accurately.
3V – Insecure Volition
ELVFs refuse to be pushed around. They will often use whatever mood they’re in to regulate their motivation. This type may struggle to accept responsibilities that do not align with their personal values and will question anyone who suggests otherwise. ELVFs usually enjoy constructing arguments that help them decide which action makes the most sense to take next. However, this doesn’t mean that they’re going to do it – as discussing their options is more enjoyable than completing them. Sometimes this type will promise to accomplish certain goals, then struggle to complete them when the time arrives. It’s not as if they don’t care – they solely lack the confident attitude to predict their future focus and energy. Being bossed around or instructed how to behave will often trigger an emotional outburst from an ELVF. Even if they don’t immediately react, they are experiencing explosiveness internally. When this type is unsure of the next steps to take in a project or goal, they appreciate someone who can explain out the options they have moving forward. They feel even more confident in taking a step forward when an emotionally stable person guides them. Remaining patient is optimal in interacting with “The Poet” as pressure on responsibilities makes them worry and feel uncertain. ELVFs tend to appreciate a discussion before incorporating the advice of others.
Last edited by SGF; 07-01-2020 at 10:06 PM.
this is gr8 stuff, I subbed. Yeah I kinda relate, but how I express that is not really like the EVLF guy there. More subdued for sure.
Over here he mentions something I relate to: https://youtu.be/K25Y7cqRuVo?t=310
Last edited by SGF; 07-17-2020 at 09:41 AM.
VFLE, but I don’t think this system is worthwhile compared to socionics.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...sophy&hl=en_SG
Pretty good imo. Also imo E4 makes sense for an ST. V1 for a Se base.. L1 for Ti base.
Ive been thinking about this and imo LFVE makes the most sense for me if I follow the typing model accurately.
I got LVFE, but I think that LVEF fits me better.
LVEF
Top 3:
LVEF: 29 points
FVLE: 28 points
VLEF: 28 points
Don't get what the different orders of letters refer to.
It is like 1st and 3rd are the visible ones 1st being mute while 2nd seems like reflective, 3rd sporadic and 4th oh OK...
It should be seen as attitude more than cognition. Like LExx might have vivid fantasies related to their knowledge/information they have gathered. Something like Lewis Carroll.
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I had gotten LEVF
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