Andrew Tate

[Chthonic Daydream]

Get this antiquated cum drop preaching domestic violence out of my country.

[timber]

Okay, so I had a look around and where exactly is he producing Te?

I mean HOW do I get rich?

Not, oh hey, being rich gives you x factor ethical boost.

Wow so much logics here. Super impressive, actionable logistics.

[lavos]

I think he is IEI-Fe.



Adding picture for VI purposes because his type is more apparent in this one.

[timber]

That's pretty steamy, you better get that out of here

[serenaeva]

LIE?? I personally haven't seen an LIE so performative, obscenely attention-seeking and dramatic. It's so obnoxious with him that it makes him seem gay. Even SEE would make more sense but i think Gamma is a bad typing for him nevertheless, he screams Fe. Beta extrovert.

[Averroes]

What’s his brother’s type?

[on a peaceful hiatus]

I think he is IEI

agreed

[Rusal]

​I have a hard time seeing him as IEI as he doesn't seem too subsumed in any introspective openness, he's too focused on physical demonstrations of status that actually consume time and energy and boasting how many women he f*kcs, and recreates tales and reasons of superiority over women with blatant, demonstrative snark. Really now.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

I think he's human trash but he has that typical 'you can be anything you imagine yourself to be' Ni mindset. He's also about drama, theatralics which really only leaves beta NF as potential type

https://youtu.be/kuMwCcBzGEs

His father is apparently a chess grandmaster

[Rusal]

​Well, if it's true that Ni is about being or achieving anything you want, one would have to think about Ni in IEIs and what description after description of the type tell is that when IEIs have to transform their fantasy into reality, they bail out.

An IEI can go to the gym and work their biceps.

An IEI can indulge in money talk and crass, nouveau riche behavior.

An IEI can demonstrate boastfulness with a pinch of downright hatred.

Provided they indulge in one of those things and from time to time.

An IEI that's built himself a modus operandi that works 24/7 around that? Mmm.

We can all type but do you know the amount of psychological energy that doing those 3 things all the time an IEI has to redirect? When is he going to “Ni” if his life is just that?

I watched an interview where he jumps at the first chance to talk trash about women in the most idiotic way. That shows all that is simmering at the forefront of his thoughts. He’s trying to be provocative. Every turn he gets. That collides with IEIs' natural inclination to be conciliatory and adjust to the person they’re talking to. Again, IEIs can be provocative, but making a mess in front of everybody with their childish and superficial impressions is not something they’ll engage in every chance they get, as at some point they realize some things just run deeper. That never-ending provocative game, IEIs are not inclined to play.

If you start listening to an “IEI” and they sound similar to any random emotionally unintelligent, SLI man in his sixties making a comment on the opposite sex because they take everyday, superficial reality for granted and can't or refuse to see beyond, then maybe you'd better start suspecting something is off. It's not for no reason IEIs are described as ‘conciliatory’ in Socionics and understood as a traditionally feminine type.

I think he's a T type that likes to provoke with arguments and uses them to have fun and make money. But pinning down his type is going to be hard if we arrive at the conclusion that it's all for show.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

https://youtu.be/gSmLhM9kf1o

In this video he talks about how the most important thing for networking with other millionaires is to be able to tell an interesting story in an emotional way. He presents himself a little bit different here than the usual garbage he talks about. He doesn't seem logical to me at all. I think he's a D or C subtype. He does what IEI's do. Relieving memories. The part at 4:23 is interesting

[Rusal]

​Here is Vitali Klitschko. I chose him because you typed him LSI. Let's see, he talks about the future of children (Ni, focused on the future) and freedom for his country (Idealist Ni).





I won't type him IEI because because of the vid. Honestly, Tate's dedication and product deviates a little too much for my liking so ‘self-description’ wouldn't be enough, and I'm sure Klitschko would describe himself as focused on the future if you asked him. Of course he is: he cares about children!


I can't get into a serious discussion when you change your goalposts constantly, eg you're trying to present an alternative picture of Tate and his capacity to emote yet it's not necessary for cold, silent Haaland to emote now that I've read you retyped him to IEI even though you were using his stoniness to scold everyone into learning proper Socionics because his lack of warmth was an undeniable sign of "Fe suggestive, obviously... some people!".

[welcometomania]

LSE

[Averroes]

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

hunter gatherer/N type cheekbones, autistic/huntergatherer/N type facial structure

[welcometomania]

^ no

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

^

[welcometomania]

lol but his eyes are squintier like the LSE guy imo..

[Averroes]

He reminds me of an Ali G character

[xerx]

Red Pill stuff is driven by demand. As long as young men are flunking with women, there will be an exodus towards the Red Pill (or something else that gestures in the same direction). Banning him probably won't fix that.

[Averroes]

They should be taught to get girlfriends. Only a tiny portion of them can become top Gs with multiple sex partners and that’s mostly determine by their looks

[YnysAfallach]

Andrew Tate is not somebody who is Te PoLR and should pretty clearly be seen as a type with a rational base, though I think Beta type is the right track given the obvious aristocratic inclination. If anything, Ne PoLR comes to mind in cases where the deficiency in the psyche has to do with being unable to conceptualize the fact that there could actually be alternative perspectives on the social dynamics they're perceiving (Ne PoLR/Se creative in a Ti/Fe valuing psyche). I get the feeling that he is seeing Ni emerge from the ether, gifting him glimpses of where the structure of his Ti base is tacitly headed, and he assumes that what he sees of it is all that there is, producing the Ne PoLR effect of being blind to the fact that his Ni is but one particular cleft of a broader Ne rock-face. This leaves us with a tentative LSI ruling. Seems like a lot of the angst would go away with an EIE who can reassure him that he doesn't need to peacock to be valuable to her/the world. Though I can't envision what EIE I would want to subject to such a task.

Consider this top comment underneath one of his videos: "Andrew's best story is telling the story about having a story"

If people are looking to tear into IEIs (as you should be), Jordan Peterson is your guy.

[Rusal]

J. Peterson not Te polr or it's not that evident.

Andrew Tate: LIE based loosely on nonverbals.

[YnysAfallach]

Andrew Tate: LIE based loosely on nonverbals.

You think Andrew Tate has 4D Ne?

Also what would you think otherwise for JP? EII? I'm not sure any thinking conscious type is going to cry that frequently/easily.

[Averroes]

I like LSI. I understand his mindset a bit: in my ideal relationship, I'd like to be the kind of guy who passively inspires a little bit of jealousy because of the assumption that I could easily replace her if I wanted to. I don't like being perceived as anyone's safe option or cute, cuddly boyfriend. His obsession with proving how inferior women are at everything is corny though, and I don't think the performative hypermasculine behavior that he recommends is that essential or fulfilling for everyone. Not every man can or wants to be a psychopathic Se-LSI/SLE/LIE/LSE

[DogOfDanger]

I'm still trying to figure out why he's so famous, or if he actually is... I suspect he just got some burst traffic and it's being blown out of proportion, there's nothing that new or interesting that he's saying... basically "I'm a man and I protect women, women are subservient to me because I protect them... blah blah".
The fact you can be this famous for saying something like this speaks to how weak and marginalized many men are feeling these days.

[YnysAfallach]

Tate was just another dude exposing the clown world and he got cancelled by the agents. I personally don't care what people think about the man

But ponder upon this; not only was he banned from social media, but all payment processing systems, his banks, frozen.

That is massive.

If you disagree with the mainstream. If you disagree with your government, if you say something they don't like, they have the subjective power to destroy your money. That should be frightening to all of you.

Just imagine if you weren't rich, that would be crippling, just for having an opinion and voicing it, or whether or not you bought the right groceries, or whether or not you've taken too many flights etc...

By “disagreeing with the mainstream”, do you mean being the subject of human trafficking investigations?

Also why should we be concerned that governments have the power to deny freedoms to people? That’s just what prison/jail is, as a concept. Worth noting that most of the ‘cancelling’ you’re talking about came from private places, not the government.

Also what connection did this comment have to Socionics? You’re an LSI/SLE and like Tate and so feel implicated and like you have to defend yourself and do a big self-report in the process?

So all this mental gymnastics to basically say he disagrees with the mainstream. You're a dork

Ahh, you must also be an LSI. The Ne PoLR is really hard to get around isn't it? Let me be explicit for you then; nothing about Tate being a horrible person has to do with him being LSI.

[YnysAfallach]

LOL. Inside every liberal is a totalitarian raging to come out.

I'm in agreement with you about liberals. Scratch them and fascists bleed. But you have me incorrectly if you think I'm one. Liberal =/= left

[DogOfDanger]

Tate was just another dude exposing the clown world and he got cancelled by the agents. I personally don't care what people think about the man

But ponder upon this; not only was he banned from social media, but all payment processing systems, his banks, frozen.

That is massive.

If you disagree with the mainstream. If you disagree with your government, if you say something they don't like, they have the subjective power to destroy your money. That should be frightening to all of you.

Just imagine if you weren't rich, that would be crippling, just for having an opinion and voicing it, or whether or not you bought the right groceries, or whether or not you've taken too many flights etc...

If we accept that youtube algorithms are controlled by the left, & that everything is censored, how do you explain his rise to fame?

I used to agree with you about censorship.. then I saw the incredibly dumb response the COVID vaccines, where I still find myself debating people about the VARS data, trying to explain what a random sample is, to no avail..
So then I had to accept that even information mostly independently produced / consumed online, driven by public demand, can cause these mass delusions. The masses are incurably stupid, and vulnerable to brainwashing. Delusions such as these can be extremely dangerous - they've probably been responsible for most wars throughout history. Look at the Russian people - many of them are completely in support of the war in Ukraine, they're brainwashed... true they don't have a free press, but why couldn't they see through the lies?
So infact, since the public is too stupid to sort through the mass of information and discard the shit opinions, they require direction.

So the fear is that the regulators are politically biased & can suppress valid opinions, and promote propaganda...
This we have to take on a case by case basis - were the censored opinions valid or were they poorly formed, factually wrong, and potentially damaging?
In Tates case I say his opinions are in the latter camp. I'd put Alex Jones in the same camp. I don't want these idiots being the thought-leaders of a massive political movement. The movement hasn't disappeared, but let someone else be the thought leader.
Someone like Edward Snowden Julian Assange I'd put in the former camp...

So I think the internet has to have censorship, what it needs is fair and balanced censorship that is done for the benefit of the people. What you should be calling for is some of the degenerates on the left to be censored... and asking why they aren't censored. You can promote the deformation and mutilation of children these days and not be censored, as long as you do it under the guise of compassion... you can promote racism against whites, as long as you justify it with victimhood narratives and compassion... those are the people we also need to censor.

[YnysAfallach]

You just pulled a "I dont have a penis! Just kidding, I do!!" there

You also ask dumb questions you already know the answer to and reframe questions like an angry CNN reporter.

Make another fresh acct and try again.

You are lost amongst the trees in a forest you're not comprehending, angrily venting your societal frustrations on a socionics forum to people who are not your enemies.

LSIs are a type that can pull themselves together like no other, in a way that often makes me envious (as I am someone who needs it just as much, in my own way). Let me know if I can be of assistance somehow as you navigate things.

[YnysAfallach]

Jump off a bridge

LSI humor is very underrated haha, I promise you have more things going for you than you think. And people see those things too - they see and value you in ways you may not value yourself.

[lavos]

i haven't looked into the particulars of andrew tate nor do i care, but it was mostly to point out where the world is headed to now, which is a social credit score system (like china) where the government will have more control over individuals, shutting down (canceling) individuals that arent easily able to be brainwashed. we see all the precursors being set in place.

critical thinking is a lost art, it's mostly now all just following societies accepted ideologies and using dumbed down propaganda to brainwash everyone. repetition is key. water down your message. say it over and over and over until it's accepted without questioning it.

delusional COVID hysteria was a perfect example of this.

The virus is magically no longer a thing because of the media. The media is very powerful in how it can paint something.

the elites tooled everyone.

(and it doesn't surprise me how people just blindly accept whatever negative thing the media says about tate. idc its just a cliche response at this point, most people are simply just dumb and easily manipulated)

You're preaching in the desert. Most people won't realize they're boiling frogs up until they've started to get burnt. Then and only then, something will happen. Be a bit careful with talking about this publicly because it could have repercussions (to you).

[DogOfDanger]

i haven't looked into the particulars of andrew tate nor do i care, but it was mostly to point out where the world is headed to now, which is a social credit score system (like china) where the government will have more control over individuals, shutting down (canceling) individuals that arent easily able to be brainwashed. we see all the precursors being set in place.

I'm sure it will happen but it will have to be dealt with it when it occurs, the argument for disallowing reasonable censorship can't always be that it leads to unreasonable censorship... this is a crippling policy, and really if the government wants to censor its political opponents they already have the leverage and political power to do it, I don't think they need a slippery slope. The government has proven that if they want something to happen (i.e. invasion of Iraq) they have the messaging and means to make it happen, and the people will just fall for it.

delusional COVID hysteria was a perfect example of this.

The virus is magically no longer a thing because of the media. The media is very powerful in how it can paint something.

the elites tooled everyone.

Concern over the virus is gone because everyone that cared about it has had the vaccine, and variants that are vaccine-resistant are also not very deadly. If you have had the vaccine + recent enough booster your odds of dying from COVID are effectively lower than your odds of dying from the flu, there is no reason to care about it, this has really nothing to do with media messaging.
Here we are 2 years later and there is no evidence that the vaccine was a bioweapon - I'm not dead... people are not developing cancer or dropping dead in mass. That was the main concern and the justification for not taking it, it was false, it was a delusion... it was a delusion that arose online, from independent media and 'free thinkers' believing they had the game figured out. It was also harmful in that it increased the death tolls significantly, the United States had continued waves long after the vaccines were released because half its population remained unvaccinated.... countries in Europe / elsewhere did not have this.... Not only were the free thinkers wrong, but they were citing information that was either completely misinterpreted (VAERS data) or flat out fabricated (i.e. false reports of the virus having a 0.01 IFR for unvaccinated people)

[DogOfDanger]

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised about the vaccine data thats been suppressed. I don't think the truth of everything is clearly understood yet. But thats a topic for another time.

But lets hypothetically say people are in fact dying in large numbers from the vaccine, do you really think the media would publish this? Why does the media not publish any anti-vax or alternative treatment opinions from doctors?

Provide the data. There isn't just one vaccine, there are infact about 20 different vaccines... so which vaccine is it that kills people, exactly? 3 different major ones are used in the US, and different vaccines from different manufacturers are in use in other countries. If one of them were causing death - yes, the competing vaccine producers would publish that data, their company would stand to make billions off it.
To believe the vaccine-bioweapon scenario were happening you'd need to believe all the myriad drug producers throughout the world were under the complete control of a sinister force in a global government hellbent on killing everyone... that they somehow kept a lid on this global conspiracy... the organization required to do all this does not exist, this all-pervasive evil in all the worlds drug manufacturers does not exist, there's no evidence for it...
Why don't they just poison our water or food supply and be done with it, anyway? Why don't they just poison all the other vaccines people are required to get? Why come up with 20 different ways to kill us - why not just use 1 and share it amongst themselves?
Why didn't their plan work? Why am I still alive?
Why go to all these elaborate lengths to carry out a not-very-effective population-killing measure - one which doesn't kill people - or at best, as you claim, kills a relatively small number (we haven't noticed people dropping dead in mass)?
It's been 2 years - where is your evidence...?

No, this is not happening.

The chances of dying from the virus is an abysmal 0.025%, but the media created to impression that it was much higher than that and shut down economies and businesses etc. That was a product of the media

While I think the shutdowns were a neurotic reaction and, for the most part, a bad idea that did more harm than good, the IFR for the virus is 0.7% if you're unvaccinated. If you're vaccinated it's 5% of that, around 0.035% or so. See - you don't even know what you're talking about. I read this 0.025% number in the study when it was initially released, it was studying death rates in a specific county in CA, it took the total reported dead from COVID in that county & divided that by the county's population. This is not the IFR, this is not how you calculate IFR. Then this statistic was taken out of context & reported by clickbait media outlets online, to dumb neurotic 'free thinkers', as being the actual IFR. Having read the original study myself, I got to watch this bullshit spread in real time... None of the free thinkers being scientists, they had no way of verifying whether or not this was correct, but it confirmed their preconceived notions, so naturally they all just accepted it as fact and widely spread the information... just like you are doing now. It is simply bullshit, was always bullshit. The death rate from COVID-19 is 0.7%, this correlates with the actual reported death counts & infection counts in the US, this number has been verified in multiple studies by scientists in various countries, this is the correct number.

[DogOfDanger]

Its less than 1%, who cares

0.025% is 1/28th of 0.7%, so that is actually a massive difference.
Depending on the age bracket & health conditions you have your risk can be as high as 12%, most people that died were in their 60s+. So obviously you'll care more if you're an elderly person. On the other hand, some people actually do care about the elderly - not everyone is just a stupid little narcissist.
But was it worth shutting down the entire economy over? No, I don't think so. I think people were much more afraid of it initially. But then again, we didn't actually know the IFR until about 6 months in, reports were that it was around 4%... and it is mainly old people who lead the world & make these decisions.
Doesn't mean there's a giant conspiracy to kill you, though.

[DogOfDanger]

Yes, and by 'high incidence' they mean about 1 in 100,000, so... is that all you have? That's the bioweapon?
About 1 in 100,000 get myocarditis - this is actually caused by the vaccine being injected into a vein.. in the US it isn't mandatory to pull back & test for whether you've hit a vein before injecting, & the US has a much higher rate of myocarditis following vaccination. In European countries where they do check for hitting veins the rate is alot lower. If the US wants to address this they should change public policy on how injections are performed & train their lab technicians appropriately.

[DogOfDanger]

Hundreds of Thousands of Americans Sought Medical Care After COVID-19 Vaccination: CDC Data

https://www.theepochtimes.com/hundre...a_4772435.html

Roughly 782,900 people reported seeking medical attention, emergency room care, and/or hospitalization following COVID-19 vaccination. Another 2.5 million people reported needing to miss school, work, or other normal activities as a result of a health event after getting a COVID-19 vaccine.

The reports were made to the CDC’s V-safe program, a new vaccine safety monitoring system to which users can report issues through smartphones.

The CDC released the data to*the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) after*being sued*over not producing the data when it was requested by the nonprofit. ICAN*posted a dashboard*summarizing the data.

“It took numerous legal demands, appeals, and two lawsuits, and over a year, but the CDC finally capitulated and agreed to a court order requiring them to do what they should have done from day one, release the V-safe data to the public,” Aaron Siri, a lawyer representing ICAN in the case, told The Epoch Times in an email.

The way the vaccine works is it stimulates an immune response, this causes flu-like symptoms, this is what it does. This is how it trains the immune system to recognize the virus. What it doesn't do is kill you... so, am I supposed to care that some hundred thousand out of 200 million vaccinated reported flu-like symptoms? When the virus we're talking about actually killed about 1M in the US, and put in ICU another 1M? I'm supposed to care that the vaccine causes flu-like symptoms...

[DogOfDanger]

According to Dr. Joseph Ladapo, there was an 84% increase in the incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination. That is a huge number!

No, that actually is not a huge number, it's a change from about 1 in 200,000 to about 1 in 100,000 or so.
You are literally arguing that your fear of randomly dropping dead from a heart attack over the next month as a young adult male is on a scale that is comparable to your fear of COVID / spreading COVID to others. This is stupid, it is driven by political brainwashing, it is not remotely rational...
And BTW - do you realize that the vaccines were given differentially to those with immune conditions? So did Dr. Joseph Ladapo set up any controls in this study? What were those controls....? Sounds like a population-wide statistic to me. Did you examine the statistics? Of course you didn't - earlier you just repeated a random number as the IFR, but it wasn't the IFR. So you just repeat these things without looking into them at all, basically...

[YnysAfallach]

Hundreds of Thousands of Americans Sought Medical Care After COVID-19 Vaccination

Hundreds of thousands of people sought medical care after waking up in the morning.

According to Dr. Joseph Ladapo, there was an 84% increase in the incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination. That is a huge number!

Incidence was 1.8-5.6x higher than this for people who actually got covid.

You're making basic reasoning mistakes, but the good news is you can learn not to.

[DogOfDanger]

I'll go back to my original point and say this is a good example of why I support censorship of people such as Tate / Jones.