Gulenko's typings of forum members AKA Big G SquaD

[Headstrong]

Some of the F rationale or T reasons seems like a bias when Gulenko states that poster X is logical in installation because 'reasons' way through it, rather than emotions.

F and T are rational judging functions and that is intimated strongly in the literature, even here where one is entrained into theory of mind and the other is attracted to systems of parts. I.e., impersonal vs. personal interests.

They both are logical.

I wouldn't invest much stock in G typings; while he isn't a bad theoretician by any means, some* of his own assessments of clients aren't correct. A decent amount (probably 90%) of his celebrity typings are correct though, as those he does care about.

[Distance]

I wouldn't invest much stock in G typings; while he isn't a bad theoretician by any means, most of his own assessments of clients aren't correct. A decent amount of his celebrity typings are correct though, as those he does care about.

Oh, his ardent customers want to throw pies at his face?

[Distance]

He'll be fine as long as he keeps lying to them! Shhh shhh.

The people here he typed are close, overall, as i mentioned the line- ups.

There are a few i disagree with, as well, these members do, also. LSI typed in link.

[Headstrong]

The people here he typed are close, overall, as i mentioned the line- ups.

There are a few i disagree with, as well, these members do, also. LSI typed in link.

I don't doubt that a good amount of them are correct and work in his model. I will say that one of his students that isn't anybody special in the community typed me correctly in it a while ago, some Ukranian local - before the 2022 invasion.

Not surprised to see someone type themself as their Dual, but that's another conversation in itself.

[youfloweryourfeast]

what is Gizem type then

[Headstrong]

what is Gizem type then

I don't know who that is, but here's some people on this forum typed for you.

@DEAD EIE-CN @Distance EIE-CH @Muira LSI-CN
@Northstar SLE-NC @Adam Strange ILE-NH @Ikite iru LII-CN

A lot of people will die mistyped so it's not even worth trying to tell them their type as they only care about their self-image and don't actually want to improve, enjoy, or understand their own lives.
At least 50% of the world is LSI and EIE, another 20% is ILI and SEE; so to be real type doesn't truly matter for a lot of them anyway. They have it easy since in essence it's a Rational Process world.

[The Reality Denialist]

I wouldn't invest much stock in G typings; while he isn't a bad theoretician by any means, most of his own assessments of clients aren't correct. A decent amount of his celebrity typings are correct though, as those he does care about.

I think he is the most accurate. But the bitter truth is that personality as per Jung according to his words means nothing and most people in the western are plain rationals and given that he considered only two leading function namely Fe and Ti before deeper dive, these typings seem to align with these observations very well. I take it as that. You are just something. Deal with it.

If you seek variation, just use trait based personalities.

[Headstrong]

I think he is the most accurate. But the bitter truth is that personality as per Jung according to his words means nothing and most people in the western are plain rationals and given that he considered only two leading function namely Fe and Ti before deeper dive, these typings seem to align with these observations very well. I take it as that. You are just something. Deal with it.

If you seek variation, just use trait based personalities.

Do you ever write anything interesting or worth me reading? I already know about Jung's old work. I use Model G. Ignored because Redditors were more useful than you when I still cared about learning Socionic theory.

Also some advice: talk using actual theory that matters and works from SHS school and not ancient Jungian crap from 100 years ago. Oh and talk like yourself instead of trying to imitate , you come off as incredibly manipulative and fake by trying to speak to me by insulting my intelligence like that.

[The Reality Denialist]

Do you ever write anything interesting or worth me reading? I already know about Jung's outdated typology. I use Model G.

Also some advice: talk using actual theory that matters and works from SHS school and not ancient Jungian crap from 100 years ago.

I just said perceived truth. In order to actually define personality system one needs to start from the basics. And socionics basics has been set up by rather timeless set of meta stuff. Not much you can do with it. So, I wiev that Gulenko's students are shooting themselves into foot in their quest for the messiah and repeating mantras. Gulenko seems alright but I'd rather venture to something that has other sort of basis if you are waiting for a revelation.

Building on a shaky ground gets you nowhere in my opinion.


So there is a way, and someone may start analogously from big5/hexaco, combine with socionics sturctural similarity gather some data and make new distinctions.

This could bridge consciousness models and traits models in quite interesting way.

[Headstrong]

@The Reality Denialist I put you on ignore, bro. I literally can't see your post. Try to be a good person next time when communicating with somebody. I know you have the worst R/Fi in the Socion, but even someone like you could improve yourself.

Here's a book for you: https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Pers.../dp/039575531X

[The Reality Denialist]

I don't believe in models.
Models are only tools. I don't believe in a hammer either. Sure, some do, but I'd advice against it.

The periodic table of elements, the model to rule them all, is a nice tool but it also contains some minor falsities if you know it well enough.

[youfloweryourfeast]

I forget who it was too
Yeah, those typings seem rather accurate. Some of his typings could may be gamma despite them still being a bit rare. I agree in essence that beta is the most common quadra, but sometimes Gulenko quickly types someone EIE/LSI without looking further, that they could be gamma for example.

The only types I've ever met outside of beta types have been ILE, ILI, and LIE in real life though..other types I have yet to interact with ever
I've met a lot of EIEs-nearly where ever I have gone in comparison though to other types, but this is living in America.

[SacredKnowing]

I don't know who that is, but here's some people on this forum typed for you.

@DEAD EIE-CN @Distance EIE-CH @Muira LSI-CN
@Northstar SLE-NC @Adam Strange ILE-NH @Ikite iru LII-CN

A lot of people will die mistyped so it's not even worth trying to tell them their type as they only care about their self-image and don't actually want to improve, enjoy, or understand their own lives.
At least 50% of the world is LSI and EIE, another 20% is ILI and SEE; so to be real type doesn't truly matter for a lot of them anyway. They have it easy since in essence it's a Rational Process world.

@Adam Strange is LIE-D. Very emotionally intelligent. Reminds me of George Banks from Mary Poppins. He looks ILE because he's successful. Reminds me of a local distributor of high-end appliances Abt. That's the type of company he's probably running.

Abt Electronics

PS: No I don't believe in the "money buys politics" thesis of political science. Research has shown that voters do vote on their own core values and that bankrolling a candidate only works when the candidate is in a competitive district. No amount of bankrolling is going to get a Jehovah's Witness, e.g., elected in rural Texas.

[Headstrong]

I forget who it was too
Yeah, those typings seem rather accurate. Some of his typings could may be gamma despite them still being a bit rare. I agree in essence that beta is the most common quadra, but sometimes Gulenko quickly types someone EIE/LSI without looking further, that they could be gamma for example.

The only types I've ever met outside of beta types have been ILE, ILI, and LIE in real life though..other types I have yet to interact with ever
I've met a lot of EIEs-nearly where ever I have gone in comparison though to other types, but this is living in America.

Similar experience. I've only even met 2 ESIs IRL. It's kind of a miracle that other types exist as EIE and LSI want everyone to behave like themselves, hence N being the most common first subtype.

I think a lot of psychological problems that types in the minority end up developing stem from trying to be like the majority. I know old people that are still traumatized by their poor experiences as kids and teenagers thanks to those two types. C'est la vie.

[youfloweryourfeast]

Some types are just gonna have to cope as best as they can (AO shifting), and my friend said that beta quadra types are going to win, and that hard power (Beta) will beat soft power of (Gamma). He said that eventually one quadra is gonna win and make up for the majority of the population. I am not sure how accurate what they say is, or if it necessarily has to be "this way" only so idk. They also did say that to him it makes sense why the most common types are LSI, and EIE. As he said "beta values are the social norm in society, even in countries that emphasize gamma values (USA).

It's true that if you're a rarer type you're gonna/ be more prone to more psychological issues, or your life may not be as easy as beta rationals. If for instance at a young age trying to fit into being a beta type through experiences. As you said, I would put ESIs as being rarer even than Deltas, never known of one lol.

[youfloweryourfeast]

in terms of Delta I could see an LSE can become a manager/lawyer

[Braingel]

So, I want people to take a look at some of the pages on this thread… This is what I had meant when I had said there is a very specific culture in model G that you don’t see in other socionics schools.. The communities are all toxic, but for socionics, for some reason, this one appears to be most, and I’ve postulated a few reasons as to why this can be case. I am not talking recent posts, it would require way back..

You don’t see this behavior in SCS-oriented people, which for whatever reason, appears mostly attract deltas and alphas, even by western metric…

Lots of pejoratives of eie’s being “psychic vampires”, lsi’s being “incels” and the sort… Lots of ad hominem..

I am going to try be figuring out why it’s more extreme in all of these people… But if a model is resulting in people this toxic being attracted to it, there is an issue with the model itself. Like, even though the other schools also attract people with issues, it’s nowhere to this extent.

[Braingel]

In my model G culture thread, I had proposed that most people into model G have “daddy issues”, and attach to G as their own authority.. It’s a very enneagram 6 core community.. Of course most communities are 6 at a baseline in systemic typology in core and sedentary fix, but far more there, you have even more 6’s than of anything..

They call him “daddy Gulenko”, almost as if to replace an absent father figure— distant or actually lost, or abusive…

I believe that this can have a role in why so many people may abuse this system, as they are insecurely attached and are defending firmly, their “father’s” takes…

I just also believe the nature of trying correlate nervous system stuff, as G does, to cognitive functions may have more propensity towards conflating mental disorders with type, which can cycle gaslighting and also people just finding certain types “more difficult”, when it’s actually deep pathology of those specific types or a disorder and not even a type, that a person is seeing….

[Braingel]

This proposal may sound “delusional” or “skeptical” to people, but I can tell you that on discord, this is how G approaches by, what had happened earlier in random thought…. This is included with paid for course students with himself.

You have specific profiles of people who fit one (*or more*) of the following outlooks;

-a person who will portray themselves as an expert on G and will go around typing and pushing
-a model G person who will literally get offended you don’t accept their own typing of you and will literally accuse you of “gaslighting”
them for giving reasoning for not fitting this type..
-a person who believes all betas are abusers and Nazi supporters
-a person who believes that all negativists are difficult people to live with and positivists just exist to “comfort” them..
-a person who fits No. 2 on this, but who will insult you instead (which you see quite a lot on this forum with G people, not just discord).. From the person banned today, from that Lolita gal..
-person who fits No. 2 but then also the above in addition
-the type of person who trusts in G definitely— generally absent daddy profile.. And switch their typing of any member to what G formally typed said person, and always attaching and latching on (phobic 6, 9 core mostly).
-person who believes instead of all betas, that three of them (eie, lsi, sle) are all abusers and iei is the only that
-weaponizing dichotomies “nice DA cognition” and shit, and making jabs at someone and name calling with it like “dumbass”

It isn’t just individual members of G who are doing this, it’s literally a whole swarming hive of these mentalities feeding off one another.. Even others tag teaming and asking “so what dk you think fo this Fe-“ an dshit, literally @ing people as a sort of meme that’s trashing and degrading a person simultaneously

[Ikite iru]

@Ikite iru LII-CN

I'n unsure how someone is supposed to be C and N at the same time considering that both subtypes are pretty much the opposite of each other. I only really care about what interests me and I have never cared about rules. I break minor ones pretty much all the time. I don't relate to anything SHC has written about N-subs. If anything I'm probably CH since I can spend weeks without human contact if I feel like it.

[youfloweryourfeast]

dk.

[BrainlessSquid]

I don't buy this "Beta rules" idea.
I think most types tend to be evenly distributed, since there are no better types for survival, anyone has different skill sets and complementary perspectives.

Saying Se types are better at surviving is just delusional for me

[Ikite iru]

Se valuing types aim to get influence, which makes them more likely to get into high positions. That's really all there is to it. I'm not really designed for competition, leading teams, achieving something. I don't care about any of that. How am I supposed to rule? Most Se valuers abuse drugs and substances to get where they are.

[Ave]

Se valuing types aim to get influence

Honestly they usually don't. At least it's not supposed to be conscious unless the person has a D subtype.

Centrality is defined (in SHS) as the fitness (though not necessarily the willingness) to compete in difficult circumstances. You seem to show qualities of this it seems, though you don't seem aware of it.

[Ave]

since there are no better types for survival

Lol, there certainly are better types when it comes to survivial. It's delusional to think that just because all types are useful in some way, they are all good at survival. This isn't a comment on whether SHS is right or wrong, I think it applies to most typology systems.

[Ikite iru]

Honestly they usually don't. At least it's not supposed to be conscious unless the person has a D subtype.

Centrality is defined (in SHS) as the fitness (though not necessarily the willingness) to compete in difficult circumstances. You seem to show qualities of this it seems, though you don't seem aware of it.

I don't know. I have a job that lets me be entirely independent and that's really the only thing I care about. I've never cared about leading others, I don't make a business out of my research here (Jack is selling typing services for 300 dollars if you want to see someone who values Se). Maybe I'm confrontational, but it's really over the internet, which is a much different place compared to the real world. IRL, I would just get far away from annoying people but here there are interactions which are forced upon you. I do not really care what other people type as. I might disagree, but I rarely repeat myself to convince people.

[Ave]

I don't know. I have a job that lets me be entirely independent and that's really the only thing I care about. I've never cared about leading others, I don't make a business out of my research here (Jack is selling typing services for 300 dollars if you want to see someone who values Se). Maybe I'm confrontational, but it's really over the internet, which is a much different place compared to the real world. IRL, I would just get far away from annoying people but here there are interactions which are forced upon you. I do not really care what other people type as. I might disagree, but I rarely repeat myself to convince people.

You see me as IEI? And yet I relate to most of what you wrote. Does that make me as Se devaluing? I don't know, I don't think a person wants to "lead" others unless they have a dominant subtype.

[Ikite iru]

You see me as IEI? And yet I relate to most of what you wrote. Does that make me as Se devaluing? I don't know, I don't think a person wants to "lead" others unless they have a dominant subtype.

We might be similar in some temperament that's unrelated to socionics. Didn't you just have a Cthulhu profile pic? You seem more irrational than me

[Ave]

We might be similar in some temperament that's unrelated to socionics. Didn't you just have a Cthulhu profile pic? You seem more irrational than me

Yep, I changed it because it didn't feel right for some reason.

I could be irrational, but why do you think so? I'm interested in hearing your impressions.

I think where we are similar is introversion and C subtype (and those two things cover what you described about yourself). I'm not saying we are the same type.

[youfloweryourfeast]

I think I might of only one LIE in my life but she was my friend from long ago.

[Kurt Gabin]

Jack is selling typing services for 300 dollars if you want to see someone who values Se

Lol, how the price could be related to Se? It is just a point on the supply and demand curve.

As for your whining, it seems like you're hanging out with the wrong people. Society is diverse and people with the same values gather in groups. If for some reason you entered wrong monastery, then it is obvious that with your charter you will not be in demand there.

[Ikite iru]

Lol, how the price could be related to Se? It is just a point on the supply and demand curve.

As for your whining, it seems like you're hanging out with the wrong people. Society is diverse and people with the same values gather in groups. If for some reason you entered wrong monastery, then it is obvious that with your charter you will not be in demand there.

The price isn't important, but it does indicate to me that there's a desire for material benefit that exists. Dunno how I'm whining. I don't care. I'm happy doing research

[Ikite iru]

Yep, I changed it because it didn't feel right for some reason.

I could be irrational, but why do you think so? I'm interested in hearing your impressions.

I think where we are similar is introversion and C subtype (and those two things cover what you described about yourself). I'm not saying we are the same type.

I think your typing of me as IEI fits better than Gulenko's typing of me as LSI (given the types images in each respective understanding of socionics). I do think I spend alot of time mastering and focusing on subjects and hobbies that are interesting to me, and have had a feeling of realizing my own "destiny" through acting as a profession since I was a teenager. "Humanitarian" suits me better than "managerial". SHS might not be the best socionics system after all,imo.

I'm going to add your message here so I can reply to both if that's ok. I personally do not like to give explanations anymore. I don't enjoy the repetitive aspects of going back to my thoughts and writing them down again when I already thought them before and it also just takes too much time. I'm also just not really invested in what people type themselves as. I might say it once, or a couple more times if I observe something new or feel like it, but I ultimatively don't care as I have realized that people have the same type and can be total opposites so it doesn't really matter that much at the moment. everything is simply not as easy as typology wants you to believe. I don't really have anything to do with Gulenko right now. I think people who make the effort of recording themselves to talk about their life already have something in common that I don't have. In my mind I have figured out that it's likely just one type and then my mind switches to "oh, figured that out, what's next?" the question becomes trivial to me. of course it might be a very important question to many people what type they have, but to me, with the current state of the theory, I couldn't care less. I just do not now how many differences there are and how they relate to a single type. do people "decide" to be open-minded or conservative, or is it a trait of their personality, and how does it relate to a type when both have the same? I'm just more interested in reflecting about this aspect at the moment

[Ave]

I'm going to add your message here so I can reply to both if that's ok. I personally do not like to give explanations anymore. I don't enjoy the repetitive aspects of going back to my thoughts and writing them down again when I already thought them before and it also just takes too much time. I'm also just not really invested in what people type themselves as. I might say it once, or a couple more times if I observe something new or feel like it, but I ultimatively don't care as I have realized that people have the same type and can be total opposites so it doesn't really matter that much at the moment. everything is simply not as easy as typology wants you to believe. I don't really have anything to do with Gulenko right now. I think people who make the effort of recording themselves to talk about their life already have something in common that I don't have. In my mind I have figured out that it's likely just one type and then my mind switches to "oh, figured that out, what's next?" the question becomes trivial to me. of course it might be a very important question to many people what type they have, but to me, with the current state of the theory, I couldn't care less. I just do not now how many differences there are and how they relate to a single type. do people "decide" to be open-minded or conservative, or is it a trait of their personality, and how does it relate to a type when both have the same? I'm just more interested in reflecting about this aspect at the moment

I'm not sure how to respond to this. You say "I don't care for" and "I'm not interested in alot". It feels like you are automatically trying to express detachment from everything. It feels like you are shutting me down as an interlocultor by doing this, because I expressed interest and appreciation in your typing of me, which you've posted many times before and your response is basically "meh".

[Ikite iru]

I'm not sure how to respond to this. You say "I don't care for" and "I'm not interested in alot". It feels like you are automatically trying to express detachment from everything. It feels like you are shutting me down as an interlocultor by doing this, because I expressed interest and appreciation in your typing of me, which you've posted many times before and your response is basically "meh".

I'm just not feeling it anymore. It has been a long time since I've had a discussion with you here and my enthusiasm is just not there when I think almost everyone is mistyped and the basis of socionics is just not as good as I used to think. The user "idiot" made a point that really resonated with me. What if Jung really just identified subtypes for a specific type that was prone to go to his therapy sessions? I need to think more about that. I don't think I would ever go to therapy as I am simply not that interested in talking about me and I am notoriously avoidant of most people, so how was he supposed to observe people with my type?

[Ave]

I'm just not feeling it anymore. It has been a long time since I've had a discussion with you here and my enthusiasm is just not there when I think almost everyone is mistyped and the basis of socionics is just not as good as I used to think. The user "idiot" made a point that really resonated with me. What if Jung really just identified subtypes for a specific type that was prone to go to his therapy sessions? I need to think more about that. I don't think I would ever go to therapy as I am simply not that interested in talking about me and I am notoriously avoidant of most people, so how was he supposed to observe people with my type?

Okay, man, okay.

[Ikite iru]

Okay, man, okay.

you obviously see things from a more rational angle when it comes to certain issues, so who really cares if you are ethical or logical? do you think you would get along with people who have completely different views on life? probably not. this theory is flawed and imperfect at best and completely wrong at worst. the 16 types probably exist on some abstract level, but most discussions here revolve around random traits and not the types, so who cares really

[Ave]

you obviously see things from a more rational angle when it comes to certain issues, so who really cares if you are ethical or logical? do you think you would get along with people who have completely different views on life? probably not. this theory is flawed and imperfect at best and completely wrong at worst. the 16 types probably exist on some abstract level, but most discussions here revolve around random traits and not the types, so who cares really

No, I agree with you here.

I'm more into enneagram these days anyways, socionics, not that much.

[Ikite iru]

No, I agree with you here.

I'm more into enneagram these days anyways, socionics, not that much.

I never really got into that one, but every system probably offers some insights one way or another. I don't really see any reason why Big Five and the other systems wouldn't be compatible in some way unless you are hyper anal about empiricism but I think socionics needs to stay away from "personality" to have a chance. its followers claim too many things that are contradictions. I'm not much into mysticism so it's harder for me to get into enneagram I guess. I do think that your personality has an influence on the system you are gonna be drawn to though, and I do think there are certain aspects to our personality that we cannot really change, but it's not the 16 types I am talking about