Political affiliation and socionic type

[Creepy-Cyclops]

In the west of Scotland, it's traditionally the irish catholic community who supported the left wing, political party labour, and the protestants who've supported the right wing conservative party.

Over time this changed with protestants becoming left wing, and catholics becoming right wing.

This occured because after world war II, discrimination based on religion (against catholic, and pretty much therefore irish orgin) started to phase out, and combined with catholic schools becoming state run, made it easier for catholics to go to university and therefore receive an equal education to traditional right wing supporters. So now there are rich catholics and poor protestants, giving allegencies in opposite political directions.

What therefore makes someone left wing or right wing is predominantly self interest. Poor people will naturally favour more left wing policies. There are some rich people who are left wing, but usually these are people who can afford such a moralistic stance. It's easy to be moral and help others when you and your peers have got plenty to go round, and when this happens, traditional right wing parties become a little more left wing to gain these sympathy voters.

And in continuation, modern immigrants tend to be left wing and political party labour or more militant left wing, infact almost exclusively so, because they are typically less well off and more likely a subject of discrimination due to their religion, culture, perhaps even race (race - which in itself became a politically incorrect term for obvious reasons after world war 2, see germans), and left wing policies here typically help those in typically unfortunate circumstance.

On that, it makes me wonder if coloured immigrants will eventually blend in over time. It's easy to be of irish origin and catholic and hide this because of how you look. Being a different colour isn't something that can be concealed. It makes me wonder about discrimination based on culture as well as colour (perceived race). That is, culture becomes integrated, but can colour.

Interestingly, there was recently a lot of public resistance to immigrants being given too many chances. Often they got, and still do but to a lesser extent, preferential treatment over people born here, which is interesting because it's a polar opposite to how previous immigration was treated.

I wonder if it encourages a lack of enterprise among incomers, but it's left wing, and it seems it's a mixture of all the quadras except possibly gamma.

[electric sheep]

What therefore makes someone left wing or right wing is predominantly self interest. Poor people will naturally favour more left wing policies. There are some rich people who are left wing, but usually these are people who can afford such a moralistic stance. It's easy to be moral and help others when you and your peers have got plenty to go round, and when this happens, traditional right wing parties become a little more left wing to gain these sympathy voters.

This is not true in America. Some of the poorest people are some of the staunchest conservatives. They consistently vote against their self interest, unless you consider "keeping immigrants out" and "fighting socialism/communism/muslims" to be in their self interest.

About the op though, I think we can all agree that the aristocratic quadras identify more with their political parties/ideologies than the democratic quadras. As long as alphas can explore and invent, and gammas can invest and profit, they shouldn't really care about political ideology. Of course, I'm talking out of my ass, and I can't speak for all the individuals, but this is the narrative that socionics seems to create in the form of quadra progression. In another time or in another place, right wingers could be the betas (read: Nazi Germany). I agree with B&D for the current political climate in America. Again, it's not about the individuals, it's about quadra progression.

[Expat]

I don't think that specific political beliefs are type related, and that terms like "left-wing" and "right-wing" are particularly unhelpful in that regard.

I do think, however, that one's overall approach to political issues is related to type - assuming that the individual is concerned with politics in the first place.

Betas are most likely to have a political philosophy based on replacing the whole "system" with a new one. They are the ones likely to say, when more frustrated/enthusiastic/philosophical/etc that there's no point tinkering with the world as it is and that it's necessary to transform it radically. They are inclined to have a + idealized structure of what the world should be like in terms of politics, economics, society, etc and their political views/actions usually aim at achieving that idealized structure. Now, the precise nature of that + idealized structure will vary according to the individual: it can be anarchism, communism, fascism, nazism, some theocracy - or, also, radical libertarianism, an idealized form of direct democracy, radical environmentalism, etc. That is why those who just "know" how the world (or a country, etc) should be transformed in order to reach "perfection" are most often Betas.

Gammas are not inclined to even see things in those terms; they tend to see a given political, economic or social reality not as a static structure that needs to be replaced with another, but as a collection of dynamic processes. They are more inclined to political reform and improvement, rather than to radical structural change ("reform" as opposed to "revolution").

Deltas, when concerned with politics, tend to focus on improvement but at a more immediate, micro-management level - + not +. Beta and Delta political goals often seem to coincide, because what is actually happening is that they are talking past each other: Betas will at most see the "micro" improvements that Deltas focus on as a consequence of their radical structural upheaval, while Deltas will not even be aware of the extent of Beta goals. That is the context of Lenin referring to "useful idiots".

My perception of Alphas is that they will share the broad views of Betas, but with less inclination to actually impose one specific structure; they will be inclined to keep experimenting with it (that was the case even with the French Revolution).

[UDP]

I don't think that specific political beliefs are type related, and that terms like "left-wing" and "right-wing" are particularly unhelpful in that regard.

I do think, however, that one's overall approach to political issues is related to type - assuming that the individual is concerned with politics in the first place.

I agree.

[JWC3]

I Flip a coin and then do the opposite of what it tells me to cause I ain't about to let some coin bitch boss me around.