What's my type + Video

[Ikite iru]

I'll be frank that doesn't sit well with me, seems muddy. But I guess one has to focus on one model and use that as a base of reasoning. The most accurate and well researched one ofc.

Here's the socionics description of Ni

https://wikisocion.net/en/index.php/...rted_intuition

[Beautiful sky]

Here's the socionics description of Ni

https://wikisocion.net/en/index.php/...rted_intuition

Why do you feel what he said is more Ni rather than Ti

Ti looking for a model to build upon?

[MadaraZero]

Why do you feel what he said is more Ni rather than Ti

Ti looking for a model to build upon?

Honestly I kinda give up, I expected to read that people were of a similar mind. But my typing is all over the place. Everyone thinks something different. But nonetheless thank you guys for your time.

[Squirrel]

Honestly I kinda give up, I expected to read that people were of a similar mind. But my typing is all over the place. Everyone thinks something different. But nonetheless thank you guys for your time.

Looks like unvalued Ne

[Ikite iru]

Honestly I kinda give up, I expected to read that people were of a similar mind. But my typing is all over the place. Everyone thinks something different. But nonetheless thank you guys for your time.

It's unavoidable with typology, as it categorizes 8 billion people into 16 types. It's rare that a couple of people here agree on something. You might want to look at the big five instead, but they won't give you much to work with on an individual basis

[MadaraZero]

It's unavoidable with typology, as it categorizes 8 billion people into 16 types. It's rare that a couple of people here agree on something. You might want to look at the big five instead, but they won't give you much to work with on an individual basis

I looked at the big five. I am in the 99.9th percentile of openness. Low on agreeableness, decently high on conscientiousness, extraversion very low and emotional stability I can't remember. Probably not that good lol since I let my writing be analyzed by an algorithm years ago and I was a mess. Now I am much more stable.

[WVW]

Honestly I kinda give up, I expected to read that people were of a similar mind. But my typing is all over the place. Everyone thinks something different. But nonetheless thank you guys for your time.

It's probably best. It would do you much better to read the theory yourself and reflect on which type you fit into best. Lets say the threshold for a correct typing is <75% match to a specific type. You could satisfactorily fit into 2-3 types within those thresholds easily. To determine "your type" you have to use radical honesty with yourself as well as just use your gut imo. In other words just pick one.

Also, it doesn't help that everyone on here interprets socionics differently and oftentimes are using different models and methods to justify their conclusions.

[MadaraZero]

It's probably best. It would do you much better to read the theory yourself and reflect on which type you fit into best. Lets say the threshold for a correct typing is <75% match to a specific type. You could satisfactorily fit into 2-3 types within those thresholds easily. To determine "your type" you have to use radical honesty with yourself as well as just use your gut imo. In other words just pick one.

Also, it doesn't help that everyone on here interprets socionics differently and oftentimes are using different models and methods to justify their conclusions.

Yes, I didn't expect the many variations of interpretation regarding the theory. That is actually what has bumped me out the most from this post. But you are right.

[Rusal]

With all due respect Alive, I don't see how you agree with Gulenko on any matter when you refuse to apply his theory. If you did you would see just how many people are (very obviously) incompatible with IEI as a type. You seem to tunnel vision into very specific things, like Ni being interested in psychology and typology and ethical because they show a video of themselves on the internet. Only with that contrived logic would this guy who doesn't show an ounce of ethics in neither speech nor face be classified under the same type of people like Aster. From a Model G perspective you ignore key dichotomies like static/dynamic and process/result, you ignore temperaments, you ignore the energy model, thinking somehow IEIs are the types to engage in Ti and be extremely proficient in it all the time when it's their Launcher, an energy pessimum function, ignore +/- signs and everything else that contradict your theory. Even when looking at Model A you expect us to believe that the dreamy romantic type with PoLR Te can describe themselves primarily as industrious, active, systematic and efficient and have its primary issues be not knowing how to deal with others' emotions and being too blunt?

Saying there's a misunderstanding about what logical types are on this site seems arrogant to me, I don't think you'll find any place that actually agrees with you. One of the problems is that you focus too much on what the person does and not enough on why. If logical types couldn't believe in non-established theory none of them would ever be religious, and no science would ever get made, since it always starts as esoteric theory, and they would be limited to empiricism. Are people like Carl Jung, Aushra Augusta, Sigmund Freud and Viktor Gulenko all ethical types or did they simply not believe their own theories? Logical types will apply critical thinking and a healthy dose of skepticism but they may still show interest and believe in these theories. And while an ethical type would make a video sharing things about them to others as a social activity simply because they like sharing (this is Extraverted Ethics), a logical type would do it because they see it as the most optimal way to get an accurate assessment of their type.

That was a rather well thought-out response, @Pendulum.


Unfortunately, the member you're responding to has turned to a simplified take on the theory I suspect to satisfy a personal aversion to minor but obligatory combinatory appreciation. It's no different to declaring all bikers in Amsterdam Se leads. After all, I reach my conclusion because Se is about kinetic forces in objects. Proof of my conclusion? Well, they are riding bikes. Don't laugh at me! you don't understand theory, etc.

And in fact still remember the Kanji for Tree, forest and jungle. Because there is a story behind it and the symbols kinda look like trees even the concept of synesthesia is relatable

Synesthesia maybe related more to dynamic vs static rather than Ni, if there's a correlation at all. Victor Talanov, a Socionist, has been studying the types for 15 years at least and correlates IEIs with weak long term memory through his interviews, so it might be harder to deal with excessive study material, etc, so it's more nuanced than that you might expect. Here's the link to his research results. Right click, translate and go over his charts for the types to see if some resonate more with you. They might be helpful at this stage if you want a quick fix.

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ctor-L-Talanov

[Sol]

> If it helps my MBTI type is INTP, enneagram 5w4

among close and more possible is ENTP

[myresearch]

Honestly I kinda give up, I expected to read that people were of a similar mind. But my typing is all over the place. Everyone thinks something different. But nonetheless thank you guys for your time.

That happens everywhere when it comes to typology. If you ever decide to go to Gulenko, ask him to give you a second subtype beforehand if he can. He doesnt do it later on. And if you try and come back and declare it, that would be appreciated.

You are 4DTi type, have ND or DN subtype regardless of your type.

ILI>>LSI

[Reaktor]

That happens everywhere when it comes to typology. If you ever decide to go to Gulenko, ask him to give you a second subtype beforehand if he can. He doesnt do it later on. And if you try and come back and declare it, that would be appreciated.

You are 4DTi type, have ND or DN subtype regardless of your type.

ILI>>LSI

Maybe @Varlawend can say, if he has got some time, if he's an ILI, like him

The fact that the people that are analizing him from the model g perspective don't see a balanced-stable prominence really worries me xD.

Of course, if Varlawend or Gulenko type him ILI or another thing that is not LSI, I will humbly accept my mistake and try to improve my knowledge. Idk maybe I'm mistaken and he's an ILI.

(Sorry for the mention in advance if it bothered).

MY NEW CONCLUSION: https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...araZero-thread

[myresearch]

Maybe @Varlawend can say, if he has got some time, if he's an ILI, like him

The fact that the people that are analizing him from the model g perspective don't see a balanced-stable prominence really worries me xD.

Of course, if Varlawend or Gulenko type him ILI or another thing that is not LSI, I will humbly accept my mistake and try to improve my knowledge. Idk maybe I'm mistaken and he's an ILI.

(Sorry for the mention in advance if it bothered).

@MadaraZero has read some of the things and camera angle wasnt directly adjusted in a way we can see his whole face directly. So some elements of VI are missing.

@Varlawend hasnt typed anyone for a long time on this site unless they are being typed by G as far as I know. Hence I thought that was on purpose mb because criterias of interview require some specific info to be captured and/or some other things.

[MadaraZero]

Maybe @Varlawend can say, if he has got some time, if he's an ILI, like him

The fact that the people that are analizing him from the model g perspective don't see a balanced-stable prominence really worries me xD.

Of course, if Varlawend or Gulenko type him ILI or another thing that is not LSI, I will humbly accept my mistake and try to improve my knowledge. Idk maybe I'm mistaken and he's an ILI.

(Sorry for the mention in advance if it bothered).

Guys, I just want to say I do appreciate the effort you are all putting in. I didn't expect so many replies. My mind is full of things to consider when it comes to this.

[Varlawend]

Maybe @Varlawend can say, if he has got some time, if he's an ILI, like him

The fact that the people that are analizing him from the model g perspective don't see a balanced-stable prominence really worries me xD.

Of course, if Varlawend or Gulenko type him ILI or another thing that is not LSI, I will humbly accept my mistake and try to improve my knowledge. Idk maybe I'm mistaken and he's an ILI.

(Sorry for the mention in advance if it bothered).

Hello,

I do engage in diagnostics, but don't go on this site frequently or scroll to look for people to diagnose. When I do pop in though, I can definitely give my thoughts if some are interested. I don’t restrict myself to only giving my thoughts if Gulenko is diagnosing the same person; sometimes I even type people through text, but the more info the better, especially video, since SHS relies a lot on real life behavior which can be difficult to represent fully in text.

I can see why you would speculate LSI for the subject of this thread. He is a pretty ambitious and interesting person. I don't have a super strong opinion yet, though LSI did strike me as a possible hypothesis, albeit with some unusual enough things that I have some doubts about it (ocular-motor reactions are largely in the upwards direction which make me wonder about dynamism, pretty fast and expressive speech at times, some tendencies towards difficulty with sensation and every day behaviors that he mentions in the thread, etc.).

I just watched his Loom video once and I don't want to rush to a conclusion, and I see a few possible hypotheses, but it looks like he has a YouTube channel which could be watched more thoroughly and it might reveal a lot more information. SHS typing can be done quickly for those who are very experienced because they've collected so many images of people that they've studied, but especially for people who have a lot of Normalization or Structural Logic, it is good to consider things patiently and thoroughly from many angles while understanding what sort of behaviors are likely for different types, subtypes, functions, etc. in real life. And this care and thoroughness can pay off with greater accuracy and not overpromising. I do think ILI is pretty unlikely, fwiw. It looked more like Beta quadra to me:
-a lot of training and discipline, self-improvement and motivation being major themes and focuses
-teaching and getting through to people about important ideas
-very ambitious, bold and outspoken in certain ways, which set one apart from other people
-paying pretty "particular" attention to the appearance and its effect on people

It didn't look to me like some kind of relaxed pragmatic democrat. However, there is a lot of Structural Logic:
-dispassionate emotional expressions throughout many videos, and seriousness (though also some dark humor, -E function playing emotions, not literal)
-thorough step-by-step reasoning and abstraction with the +L function, probably right-spinning with a desire for every step to be traceable
-designing systems and optimizations

And Temporal Intuition:
-strange and unusual thoughts which there might be a shyness about revealing since others may not understand them
-some abstract philosophical topics and speculative reasonings, while sometimes neglecting everyday things like "cooking" or misperceiving the sensory environment
-really motivated by getting big insights (though this can also be the I function, Opportunity Intuition, if these insights are more connected to real opportunities and innovations in reality)

There is also a certain bold and entrepreneurial spirit, doing something openly different from what other people are doing, which I find pretty admirable, and it speaks to some Creativity (C subtype), and could make you wonder about LIE as a hypothesis (though the presence of all this right-spinning reasoning and abstract speculations makes LIE seem a bit unlikely, but might still be worth exploring). There is also the rebelliousness of the EIE type which could relate to this "set apart from others" quality. I'm not sure of his full subtype hierarchy though and it's possible that this Creativity is in 2nd place as well, as there does seem like some other motivations:
-Dominance, real practical goals and ambitions which are taken quite seriously and where this person did get significant results (though I'm not inclined to think that Dominance and leadership are the main thing for him)
-some Remoteness [maybe N or H] due to sometimes being conflict avoidant, sometimes seeming strange in his ideas to others or not easy to relate to, though the type or accentuation could possibly explain something in that regard
-Due to all this, there is likely some kind of mixed subtype, with some contactiveness (D or C) and some distance (N or H), or at least some terminality (D or N) with some initiality (C or H)

[Rusal]

I don't have a super strong opinion yet, though LSI did strike me as a possible hypothesis, albeit with some unusual enough things that I have some doubts about it (ocular-motor reactions, pretty fast and expressive speech at times, some tendencies towards difficulty with sensation and every day behaviors that he mentions in the thread, etc.).

Video is sped up 1.2x

[Reaktor]

@Varlawend

I completely agree that prudence must rule the process of typing a person, more if the one who is typing is not very experienced, such as for example my case.

About the fast speech and expressiveness + his claims of being an entrepeneur or the fact that he has got a youtube channel, that made me think about the Dominant subtype which by itself correlates with the linear-assertive temperament which also correlates with fast speech and expressiveness in some way, altough you can clearly see balanced-stable in general in him.

When he says he researches info about how to look good and be more attractive, that reminds me of a L+S way of thinking. Maybe because of reaching a certain goal or maybe because he loves to attract the atention of others, in which case I doubt that to be L+S. But let's stick to what's more obvious.

About the strengh of Structural Logic, +L, I completely agree.

About the strengh of Temporal Intuition, as from the LSI perspective I think it's obvious it has an external appeal as you note, which can be explained with Accelerate + Valued descriptions. Also, for example seeing 11:11 continously (numerology) could be explained by the need of his demanding L to understand and structure out and his supplying T, etc. And maybe the prominence of Harmonizing subtype. Obviously not the most prominent. In fact, he might be high in H due to that need of order, hygiene and cleanliness (In an LSI context). I noted a really interesting feature of some LSI (my friend and potentially @Alive), they tend to explain their hypothesis this way: "I know it, but I can't explain how I know it, it's my intuition. If you don't understand it, it's your problem. But I know it's the truth". This quote was from my friend, but I also read symilar stuff said by @Alive. Probably my friend and Alive share a very symilar subtype profile, with an accentuation of Harmonizing.

Now I gathered 3 examples of potential LSI typing themselves as LIIs. 1 is one friend irl, who is obvious an LSI from the Model G perspective. The other I'm not sure about, but he's very very likely of being an LSI: @Alive and the 3rd is Madara. They 3 share in common interests about typology, phylosophy, some mystycism (this trait is also noted by Gulenko in his book). About Alive, I find it kind of funny that he is not aware of the BIG BIG Ti+ he has instead of Ti-.

Anyways, thank you for replying Varlawend and nice to meet you

MY NEW CONCLUSION: https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...araZero-thread

[MadaraZero]

Excellent analysis.

I love all kinds of big insights especially ones that solve multiple problems at the same time or take multiple variables into account. These insights could be related to business, creative endeavors but also personal growth and metamorphoses. For example, shedding or gaining a new belief system that adjusts my behaviour in a drastic way as to better progress in life. One of my deepest desire is to master reality and life through my mind. There are some beliefs I have which have already revolutionized my life and you are right I am very shy to share them. They are esoteric but produce factual results. It doesn't matter to me how out there something is as long as it produces tangible results ranging from small benefits to super powers. It does need to work without it being placebo. I love these penetrating insights that completely unveil reality and uncovers a profound truth that benefits me.

I also believe the abstract is connected to the concrete. There is a saying that goes like: People don't have business problems, they have personal problems that manifest in their business. Thus, fix your personal life problems and your business will make more money. Or if you are an artist. Do you suck at art or do you actually suck at organizing and planning your study routines? The most rusty coin in the bag of your simple business is a connected to a profound metaphysical reality about you yourself and in the reversed also true.

[MadaraZero]

That happens everywhere when it comes to typology. If you ever decide to go to Gulenko, ask him to give you a second subtype beforehand if he can. He doesnt do it later on. And if you try and come back and declare it, that would be appreciated.

You are 4DTi type, have ND or DN subtype regardless of your type.

ILI>>LSI

Is Gukenko a user on this forum? And what does 'second subtype' entail?

[myresearch]

Is Gukenko a user on this forum? And what does 'second subtype' entail?

He is a socionics theorician. Founder of model G in socionics. He provides services to type people meaning in the exchange of some money. You can find about his writings and typing services here: https://socioniks.net/en

Subtypes are a thing in model G. We all have four of them in different order, first and second will be the dominating ones in one's behavior. You can learn more about here: https://varlawend.blogspot.com/2022/...ence-2022.html