Jeffrey Epstein

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LIE activity with SEE Mr Trump

DONALD TRUMP IS NOT SEE.
Please look into Communication Styles. If he was SEE, he’d have “Passionate” communication style- that of all Extrovert Feelers (EIE,ESE,SEE,IEE). His style is clearly Business-like, making him ILE,LIE,LSE,or SLE. And he is Gamma.
You can google “communication styles socionics” to get to the article.
There are so many ways to use deductive reasoning to narrow down a type rather than guess using anecdotes or behaviors or scripted speeches or songs or public personas.

Epstein, as you can tell from his deposition, has Cold-Blooded communication style, narrowing him down to LSI,LII,ILI,and SLI.

Once you can tell that someone is an introvert, determine if they have Sincere communication style or Cold-blooded- this is very easy. From there there are only 4 choices and each belong to a different Quadra.
Typing has been made so much easier for me. I no longer have to guess.

[kingslayer]

DONALD TRUMP IS NOT SEE.
Please look into Communication Styles. If he was SEE, he’d have “Passionate” communication style- that of all Extrovert Feelers (EIE,ESE,SEE,IEE). His style is clearly Business-like, making him ILE,LIE,LSE,or SLE. And he is Gamma.
You can google “communication styles socionics” to get to the article.
There are so many ways to use deductive reasoning to narrow down a type rather than guess using anecdotes or behaviors or scripted speeches or songs or public personas.

Epstein, as you can tell from his deposition, has Cold-Blooded communication style, narrowing him down to LSI,LII,ILI,and SLI.

Once you can tell that someone is an introvert, determine if they have Sincere communication style or Cold-blooded- this is very easy. From there there are only 4 choices and each belong to a different Quadra.
Typing has been made so much easier for me. I no longer have to guess.

I've heard of communication styles bruh. If your only reasoning is the quadrant he belongs to and how he talks then you got some shit reasoning because he is literally an Se poster child and complete garbage at Te.

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I've heard of communication styles bruh. If your only reasoning is the quadrant he belongs to and how he talks then you got some shit reasoning because he is literally an Se poster child and complete garbage at Te.

The fact that you think Donald Trump is a Feeler is comical. SEEs value being likeable and are way more warm in communication due to Demonstrative Fe and way more entertaining to watch. The fact that you see him as someone with creative Fi, demonstrative Fe is ridiculous.
Watch CS Joseph’s video typing Donald Trump if you want more detailed reasoning.
I knew DT was an LIE long before CS Joseph made the video.
I’ve seen people in this forum type Elvis Presley as SEE, tell me how they are remotely close to the same person.
Donald Trump, an Artisan?- I am laughing my ass off.
I have shit reasoning but you’re legitimately trying to type based on Intertype relationship when you don’t know them or been around them to know what kind of relationship they truly have. I have plenty of photos with my Conflictor, imagine assuming she’s my Activity partner because we hang out together.

[FreelancePoliceman]

The fact that you think Donald Trump is a Feeler is comical. SEEs value being likeable and are way more warm in communication due to Demonstrative Fe and way more entertaining to watch. The fact that you see him as someone with creative Fi, demonstrative Fe is ridiculous.

The bolded is all true of Trump. Have you never watched one of his speeches? He’s a personable, charismatic person, and intentionally does entertaining things all the time. He thrives on the stage, and had a good idea of how people will respond to his actions. He’s great with people, but worse at actually being a President; he seems to delegate a lot of power to the sycophants around him, and takes their advice far too much. He’s not a good manager — which is probably not typical of a Te-base.

There’s no reason to be that prickly, anyway.

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The bolded is all true of Trump. Have you never watched one of his speeches? He’s a personable, charismatic person, and intentionally does entertaining things all the time. He thrives on the stage, and had a good idea of how people will respond to his actions. He’s great with people, but worse at actually being a President; he seems to delegate a lot of power to the sycophants around him, and takes their advice far too much. He’s not a good manager — which is probably not typical of a Te-base.

There’s no reason to be that prickly, anyway.

I realize my delivery was harsh, my apologies.
I still don't see SEE for him. I recommend reading the story of Napoleon to get a feel for SEE leadership. You guys are using traits of his to connect him to a type, I'm urging you to pay attention to what he's NOT doing. Because no behavior is type-specific.
The best way to type is using some system, some detailed analysis. Especially since you do not know these people personally. If I asked, for example, which dichotomies are you typing him on, I'd get no answer (not that you should type with that, but it's a start.)
This is why I told you all to watch CS Josephs video because he uses the most detailed analysis while watching interviews and spends about 45 minutes on this, vs recalling times he's seen him on tv and deciding he's x kind of person because of how he's behaving with a camera in front of him as the freaking president. It's like you guys don't remember him before, during his Apprentice show. There's no way in hell you guys would type Apprentice star Donald as SEE.
Also Fe role can do all those things you mentioned, short-term.
Your reasonings are all devoid of some kind of detailed analysis. All the reasons you give can tie him to many other types.

[kingslayer]

The fact that you think Donald Trump is a Feeler is comical. SEEs value being likeable and are way more warm in communication due to Demonstrative Fe and way more entertaining to watch. The fact that you see him as someone with creative Fi, demonstrative Fe is ridiculous.
Watch CS Joseph’s video typing Donald Trump if you want more detailed reasoning.
I knew DT was an LIE long before CS Joseph made the video.
I’ve seen people in this forum type Elvis Presley as SEE, tell me how they are remotely close to the same person.
Donald Trump, an Artisan?- I am laughing my ass off.
I have shit reasoning but you’re legitimately trying to type based on Intertype relationship when you don’t know them or been around them to know what kind of relationship they truly have. I have plenty of photos with my Conflictor, imagine assuming she’s my Activity partner because we hang out together.

Thank you for the more detailed response. I've explained in detail many times why he's see on this forum. Also, a picture is worth 1000 words. An expert typist such as yourself will know nonverbal communication is far more important. He obviously wants to he liked. He never stops bragging and boasting and gets rid of anyone who doesn't suck up to him in his cabinet. Look at how he demonized fauci. Why not explain why you think a guy who is terrified of facts and talks out his ass on a daily basis is a te base

He used nothing but se on the debate stage. Show the te

Its also pretty shitty reasoning to assume that picture is my only reason for thinking this. Perhaps I put it to help illustrate my opinion and as a reference for those familiar with it. I'm noticing a pattern in the way you think. This pattern makes it pretty clear to me why you're so gun ho about insisting you and this human turd are mirrors

I don't know or care who Cs Joseph is. I'm not going to watch a video on something that's simply not true. Have your own thinking instead of telling me to watch someone else's wrong explanation. Chances are anyway, if he's making the video he's just trying to sell people on his brand of socionics, rather than actually giving a shit about proper typing. Or maybe he's just wrong. Trump is so obviously SE that I would go as far as saying anyone that thinks otherwise is either deliberately pushing an agenda or just doesn't understand Socionics.

Even SLE is a much better sell than 4d Ne and Ni creative.. Like come on. This guy has absolutely no foresight or intuition. He just shit talks, bullies and trolls his way to the top. Again, show the Te

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Thank you for the more detailed response. I've explained in detail many times why he's see on this forum. Also, a picture is worth 1000 words. An expert typist such as yourself will know nonverbal communication is far more important. He obviously wants to he liked. He never stops bragging and boasting and gets rid of anyone who doesn't suck up to him in his cabinet. Look at how he demonized fauci. Why not explain why you think a guy who is terrified of facts and talks out his ass on a daily basis is a te base

He used nothing but se on the debate stage. Show the te

Its also pretty shitty reasoning to assume that picture is my only reason for thinking this. Perhaps I put it to help illustrate my opinion and as a reference for those familiar with it. I'm noticing a pattern in the way you think. This pattern makes it pretty clear to me why you're so gun ho about insisting you and this human turd are mirrors

I don't know or care who Cs Joseph is. I'm not going to watch a video on something that's simply not true. Have your own thinking instead of telling me to watch someone else's wrong explanation. Chances are anyway, if he's making the video he's just trying to sell people on his brand of socionics, rather than actually giving a shit about proper typing. Or maybe he's just wrong. Trump is so obviously SE that I would go as far as saying anyone that thinks otherwise is either deliberately pushing an agenda or just doesn't understand Socionics.

Even SLE is a much better sell than 4d Ne and Ni creative.. Like come on. This guy has absolutely no foresight or intuition. He just shit talks, bullies and trolls his way to the top. Again, show the Te

Sounds like every LIE I've grown up with. Of course I'd have more natural interaction with this type because they don't really care too much for you little beneficiary

That said, Te Doms don't dgaf about the facts, they care about the numbers and what other people believe. Because the truth doesn't matter if no one believes it.
Facts are attributed to Ti and Te is rationale. Te doesn't care about facts more than we care about the delivery. Te is the grouping of facts to reach a point.
Ti is more specific, more matter-of-fact. Te is research, it's broad.
For Ti users it's what you say, for Te users it's how you say it.

You're listing cognitive functions they BOTH share, no talk of interaction styles, or any sign of a detailed analysis.
"He's using Se on the debate stage" (because LIE's don't use Se right?)
And if you look at any socionics models (you won't), it isn't so easy to determine someone's a Dom just because they are using one function strongly.
LIE is capable of using Se, that function doesn't "turn off" like Ni would for them.
"Turned off" Ni would show lack of foresight sometimes but not nearly as much as Ni suggestive. Everything you've said adds to my point.

Alas, your Ti echo chamber insists in its rightness while not allowing any concrete outside information (Te) in, no matter how accurate or insightful.
Everyone else, this man is wrong, and I have given you all the info to do your research.

[Adam Strange]

The fact that you think Donald Trump is a Feeler is comical. SEEs value being likeable and are way more warm in communication due to Demonstrative Fe and way more entertaining to watch. The fact that you see him as someone with creative Fi, demonstrative Fe is ridiculous.
Watch CS Joseph’s video typing Donald Trump if you want more detailed reasoning.
I knew DT was an LIE long before CS Joseph made the video.
I’ve seen people in this forum type Elvis Presley as SEE, tell me how they are remotely close to the same person.
Donald Trump, an Artisan?- I am laughing my ass off.
I have shit reasoning but you’re legitimately trying to type based on Intertype relationship when you don’t know them or been around them to know what kind of relationship they truly have. I have plenty of photos with my Conflictor, imagine assuming she’s my Activity partner because we hang out together.

Every one of my ILI friends hates Trump, too. But then, they are all of above-average intelligence.

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Every one of my ILI friends hates Trump, too. But then, they are all of above-average intelligence.

I can't hate him, he reminds me of so many of my friends. I understand the hate he gets and it has to do with his crassness, idk where the SEE typing is coming from.
If he never became president and all we had to go off was Apprentice Donald, people would type him LIE or as some other extroverted thinker.
He would never in a million years be mistaken for a SEE