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    Whether a person is stupid or not, accept the truth or not (but what the f*** is the truth anyway, how someone is so sure that their truth is the real truth?), as long as that person has the abilities to live the life as he/she wish to live, doesn't regret the choices he/she has made, so what the matter?

    Exp: an evil person, born as evil, and "evil" his way to the end of his life. And in the last moment, he die peacefully (hang?), doesn't regret of all the evil things he has done, doesn't fear death, fear hell, fear gods, or any punishments... In his point of view, at least he has done as many evil things as he could, not a loser who can't do anything he truly wish to do...

    We could hate him, we could pity him, we could say that he took the wrong path, but we can't change his mind that he has lived a wonderful life full of evil .... (too much evil lol)

    P/s: just an example suddenly come up from my mind, I'm not evil!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moharu View Post
    Whether a person is stupid or not, accept the truth or not (but what the f*** is the truth anyway, how someone is so sure that their truth is the real truth?), as long as that person has the abilities to live the life as he/she wish to live, doesn't regret the choices he/she has made, so what the matter?

    Exp: an evil person, born as evil, and "evil" his way to the end of his life. And in the last moment, he die peacefully (hang?), doesn't regret of all the evil things he has done, doesn't fear death, fear hell, fear gods, or any punishments... In his point of view, at least he has done as many evil things as he could, not a loser who can't do anything he truly wish to do...

    P/s: just an example suddenly come up from my mind, I'm not evil!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    If we change the example just a little bit, from (the evil guy) to (a zealot come from some random religion)

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    Where's the lie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Where's the lie?
    while it is true that reality as experienced by man is subjective (sense of time, space and so on) and the true nature of reality cannot be fully experienced or reasoned by primitive meat-vessels such as ourselves, reason still demands that objective reality exists outside of our subjective perception, so there are fundamental truths regardless of our inability to comprehend them.

    Morality independent of theology and metaphysics, based only in reason inevitably leads to the death of God. Once this occurs morality becomes vulnerable to criticism. Consequently secular rational morality is hollow, being a mere rigid command. One can't justify such a command as the ground upon which one tries to reason is like quicksand. Without an absolute basis for good and evil moral norms are whatever suit the individual for it's own advantage. Basically "you can do whatever, it does not matter as there is no absolute truth".. nihilism.

    Nihilism, this bourgeoise disease of the soul is what plagues people today, their lives misery in affluence, depression, lack of meaning and hope. We thought traditions chained us, we wished to be free.. little did we know the chains nourished us and without them we are lost and dying of thirst in the desert of absurdity.

    Everything is permitted. Man has failed to become God. Man is misery incarnate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    while it is true that reality as experienced by man is subjective (sense of time, space and so on) and the true nature of reality cannot be fully experienced or reasoned by primitive meat-vessels such as ourselves, reason still demands that objective reality exists outside of our subjective perception, so there are fundamental truths regardless of our inability to comprehend them.

    Morality independent of theology and metaphysics, based only in reason inevitably leads to the death of God. Once this occurs morality becomes vulnerable to criticism. Consequently secular rational morality is hollow, being a mere rigid command. One can't justify such a command as the ground upon which one tries to reason is like quicksand. Without an absolute basis for good and evil moral norms are whatever suit the individual for it's own advantage. Basically "you can do whatever, it does not matter as there is no absolute truth".. nihilism.

    Nihilism, this bourgeoise disease of the soul is what plagues people today, their lives misery in affluence, depression, lack of meaning and hope. We thought traditions chained us, we wished to be free.. little did we know the chains nourished us and without them we are lost and dying of thirst in the desert of absurdity.

    Everything is permitted. Man has failed to become God. Man is misery incarnate.

    If you need to belong to something greater than yourself to feel validated and cannot simply find fulfillment within, you might be a tiny person.

    Sorry for not wanting to share in mankind's collective submission-fetish, I cannot help the fact that I'm naturally far above it. We're already pushing mountains around, we have essentially become gods enough already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    If you need to belong to something greater than yourself to feel validated and cannot simply find fulfillment within, you might be a tiny person.

    Sorry for not wanting to share in mankind's collective submission-fetish, I cannot help the fact that I'm naturally far above it. We're already pushing mountains around, we have essentially become gods enough already.
    You don't get it, but it doesn't matter anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    You don't get it, but it doesn't matter anyway.
    I get that a container can't fully ensconce another container of an equal volume and composition or larger, yes. That's basically what the search for meaning is. It's the brain trying to simulate something it can't contain.

    If it can never succeed, then it doesn't need to worry about succeeding. I'd also conjecture that most of the nice things we have aren't the product of seeking meaning, but simply survival, and meaning bulldozes over agency and survival in many cases.

    I simply don't trust it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    while it is true that reality as experienced by man is subjective (sense of time, space and so on) and the true nature of reality cannot be fully experienced or reasoned by primitive meat-vessels such as ourselves, reason still demands that objective reality exists outside of our subjective perception, so there are fundamental truths regardless of our inability to comprehend them.

    Morality independent of theology and metaphysics, based only in reason inevitably leads to the death of God. Once this occurs morality becomes vulnerable to criticism. Consequently secular rational morality is hollow, being a mere rigid command. One can't justify such a command as the ground upon which one tries to reason is like quicksand. Without an absolute basis for good and evil moral norms are whatever suit the individual for it's own advantage. Basically "you can do whatever, it does not matter as there is no absolute truth".. nihilism.

    Nihilism, this bourgeoise disease of the soul is what plagues people today, their lives misery in affluence, depression, lack of meaning and hope. We thought traditions chained us, we wished to be free.. little did we know the chains nourished us and without them we are lost and dying of thirst in the desert of absurdity.

    Everything is permitted. Man has failed to become God. Man is misery incarnate.

    The god of the Old Testament was a nihilist.

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