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> Which socionics quadra type of humor is predominant in the "Two and a Half Men" show?
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“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
You seriously need to turn that shit off.
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What shit?Originally Posted by heath
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
two and a half men
it's one of the best comedy shows ever
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
To answer the question, the humor is Alpha.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Thank you. I also thought Alpha but I wasn't sure. I guess I am attracted to Alpha humor then. Although I really don't like Seinfeld, for which you 've also said it's Alpha. Interesting...Originally Posted by Expat
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
I think "Two and a half men" is more of a + kind of Alpha humor with a bit of , while "Seinfeld" is more of a + kind of Alpha with just a bit of and next to zero .
But - -
"Two and a half men" also has more than "Seinfeld", making the former at least partly Delta, too, where there is next to zero in "Seinfeld".
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Thanks. It makes more sense to me now.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
I never watched it.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Ok -- take into consideration that I haven't watched any US sitcoms for 2 years now, and that before that I watched it from the UK, but you may still find my sampling a bit odd. In no particular order and IMO:
MASH - mostly Gamma, a bit of Delta
Married with Children - Beta
Ned & Stacey - Beta
Frasier - Delta
Arliss - Beta
Becker - Gamma mostly
Cheers - all over, mainly Alpha
Friends - all over
Spin City - Beta + Gamma
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
How about "7th Heaven"? Is it Delta?
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
Never watched it.Originally Posted by Winterpark
I thought of something else -- "Just Shoot Me" seems to have a Beta perspective while making fun (but affectionally so) of Deltas.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
I kinda agree. The hottie could have been ENFp or ISTp.Originally Posted by Winterpark
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I 've never seen it. Sounds provocative. I 'll keep that in mind for when I get the chance to see it.Originally Posted by Expat
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
Not sure, probably all over. And Bart Simpson is a total ISTp .Originally Posted by soggy-flakes
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
I thought he was ESTP when I was only familiar to MBTI, but now I think ISTp would fit him better.Originally Posted by soggy-flakes
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
Charlie: SLI
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Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I hate this show from the pit of my soul. HATE HATE HATE it. I mean utterly LOATHE this show. My ex-roommate always used to have it on, but watching it burns my eyes with the passion of a thousand nuns.
Anyway, Charlie's a fop -- he's clearly intuitive.
Charlie: IEI
Alan: Delta NF (the character that has to live with an opposite quadra, what a "clever" storyline )
Jake: SEI
Evelyn (the mother): EIE
Rose (the stalker lady): ESE
Berta (the maid): LSI
Kandy: IEI
Judith: LII
Herb: ILE
Charlie's fiance: SLE
Charlie is clearly intuitive?
Heh...
Yeah, Alan, the other dude - I can see him as a delta NF.
Both of them are NFs? I'm not ready to buy that, at all.
I see a lot more ST-NF foil than NF delta/NF beta foil.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
yeah that show has some of the weakest writing on TV. the premise is lame too. the jokes are predictable.. the acting is sub-par.. the characters are unlikable. It's like a comedy for autistic people
Can't stand this show. I'd have Charlie as SEE.
Hello, my name is Bee. Pleased to meet you .
that show is hilarious. it's so bad it's good. hahaha
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
The two adult guys are an ESTj - ENFp couple. Not sure about the kid. I saw the guy who plays Malcolm Reynolds in Firefly appear in one of the episodes. Although people type him wrongly in almost every possible way, he is an ESTj too.
^ Who is the ESTj, Alan or Charlie?
I don't see how Charlie can be an ST type. He doesn't do any actual work and sits on his candyass all day. He gets all the money he needs basically gifted to him as royalties because of a few simple lyrics he writes. How about that for DS? In one episode he even panicked that he didn't have enough money to pay the bills, instead of actually going out and doing something about it.
His entire lifestyle is almost entirely focussed on other people and what they do -- ie. his girlfriends or criticizing Alan.
He's also "naturally" very charming to women. That's strong ethics.
Most of his girlfriends are either other IEIs or blatant Se egos.
This guy:
Charlie Sheen - Wikipedia
I'm typing the actor, mostly on the basis of looks and body language.
It's a manifestation of Si. Ethical functions have a bit of a habit of making men appear awkward due to role confusion. Alan is a great example. Charlie is a good specimen of a charming and unambiguiously male person. There is nothing incompatible with ESTj there.He's also "naturally" very charming to women. That's strong ethics.
Judith seems to supervise Alan, so IEE works better than EII.
The lives of most people on earth are focussed primarily on other people. Criticism is one of the most distinct trademarks of Te.His entire lifestyle is almost entirely focussed on other people and what they do -- ie. his girlfriends or criticizing Alan.
Not the point where people are the only aspect of reality that person is interested in, or do you reject the strength of clubs as a criteria in typing? I should have also written "making fun of" instead of criticize.
Te criticism points out the visible material aspects that are wrong with someone, implying a negative statement about that person's perpetual character (Fi). Fe criticism starts by associating a person with some negative trait, implying that it makes him unsuitable for material tasks (Ti) or life in general.
Charlie never directly criticizes Alan for his failures. He casually makes fun of him every time he's around. The audience plays the role of the dual, filling in the info that Alan is a loser. That's the whole point of the show.
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When a person is to an extreme degree closed off from other people it can be an indication that they are either INTx type. If likewise the social inclinations are really extreme it can indicate ESFx. Anything in between doesn't influence the typing much at all.Not the point where people are the only aspect of reality that person is interested in, or do you reject the strength of clubs as a criteria in typing? I should have also written "making fun of" instead of criticize.
Criticism wasn't a bad word to use at all. Keep in mind he is a Te type compatible with Alan's. Delta STs also aren't exactly as harsh about giving criticism than INTps are, for example.Charlie never directly criticizes Alan for his failures. He casually makes fun of him every time he's around.
Minute 1.45: Ethical "mistake" on Charlie's part (hell, it's a whole slew of them, in light of which it would be really stubborn to keep calling him F):
I wasn't referring to Smilexian socionics.
An LSE would have leading Te. He should have a strong work ethic. Charlie only ever does the work he needs to; the point of the show is that he's rich, beautiful, successful and happy without ever having to lift a finger. So much so, that labor is an alien notion to him. This is repeated in almost every single episode.
In fairness, that coupled with his abrasiveness (possible Fe PoLR/ignoring) and desire for a personal comfort zone (away from Alan), might be a reason to consider SLI.
I don't know about the actor's type, but the show could be a case of a delta ST playing a mock IEI conflictor, as something of a joke. Maybe that's why his style and level of abrasiveness seem delta ST. Also, he's generic and poorly characterized.
His level of abrasiveness is completely uncharacteristic of IEI, but it's also not necessarily indicative of delta ST. If he has weak F and weak T, then his characterization is inconsistent with socionics.Criticism wasn't a bad word to use at all. Keep in mind he is a Te type compatible with Alan's. Delta STs also aren't exactly as harsh about giving criticism than INTps are, for example.
Minute 1.45: Ethical "mistake" on Charlie's part (hell, it's a whole slew of them, in light of which it would be really stubborn to keep calling him F):
YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.
In that clip though, he was able to recover from his errors and still maintain his relationship with Jake. That might be an indication of strong F.
Ethical types also freely express their ethical opinions. It's logical types that are generally afraid of making ethical mistakes in their respective superego functions.
I'm not referring to any speculative model either, only to empirical observations of the types. It's only the INTx and ESFx types that have extreme social behaviors. The rest of the types are quite normal in that regard.I wasn't referring to Smilexian socionics.
If we agree that the particular kind of abrasiveness displayed by the Charlie character is indicative of Delta ST, I can supply this as evidence that the actor is of that club in real life:
ISTp played by ESTj sounds good to me. Anything involving INFp is rubbish.In fairness, that coupled with his abrasiveness (possible Fe PoLR/ignoring) and desire for a personal comfort zone (away from Alan), might be a reason to consider SLI.
Not at all. SLI is a weak typing in my opinion.Originally Posted by labcoat
Regarding ethics in SLIs, this is what Rick (mostly) wrote about them:
Most of the above is opposite of what Charlie does on a regular basis. Is his relationship with Alan any form of duality?Originally Posted by Fi HA
You tell me. I'm not the one calling him ISTp.Most of the above is opposite of what Charlie does on a regular basis. Is his relationship with Alan any form of duality?
Charlie: SLE Harmonizing
Alan: LII?
Jake: ILE Harmonizing
Berta: ESE Creative
Evelyn: ESI Dominant
Rose: IEI?
Judith: LSE?
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
I've since changed my typing of Charlie to SLE, which makes more sense in terms of his relationship with his brother and his generally abrasive demeanor. And I've since discovered that SLEs can be hella lazy and good for nothin'.
Apparently, he had more than one fiance. This typing goes out to the one that was SLE.Charlie's fiance: SLE