Test for type in light of: Socionics - A Bloody Mess

[Hugo]

Below is a test I have devised in light of my article titled:

Socionics - "A Bloody Mess"
http://the16types.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=693

Bear in mind my representation of type:

I/E - [Strong block] - [Weak block]

Remember that a block can only contain one rational function and one irrational function. A block cannot contain two rational functions or two irrational functions.

The thing I like about the test is it's simplicity and the inclusion of subtyping.

Put the following sentences in order, starting with the sentence that describes you the best and finishing with the sentence that describes you the worst.

 I am influenced by possibilities. (N)
 I am influenced by my surroundings. (S)
 I am influenced by my emotions. (F)
 I am influenced by logical reasons. (T)

What will happen if a person arranges the functions in such a way that: the first two functions are rational and the last two are irrational; or, the first two functions are irrational and the last two are rational? In those cases the arrangement will be adjusted to fit my representation of type, so that each block contains one rational function and one irrational function. So for example, if a person arranges the functions in such a way so that the first two functions (in the strong block) are rational and the last two functions (in the weak block) are irrational, the strongest rational function (at position 1) will remain in the strong block (in the same position) and the second rational function (in position 2) will be transfered to the weak block (to position 3); the strongest irrational function in the weak block (in position3) will be transfered to the strong block (to position 2) and the weakest function (at position 4) will remain in the weak block (in the same position). Here is an example: a person arranges the functions as: TF-NS. This will be adjusted like so: TN-FS.

Remember that if your weakest function is rational then your type is irrational. If your weakest function is irrational then your type is rational.

Once the order of functions are determined, the next thing to do is to find out if you are an introvert or an extrovert.

If you are xNTj, which word describes you best:
Energetic (ENTj)
Comfort (INTj)

If you are xNTp, which word describes you best:
Energetic (INTp)
Comfort (ENTp)

If you are xSFj, which word describes you best:
Energetic (ISFj)
Comfort (ESFj)

If you are xSFp, which word describes you best:
Energetic (ESFp)
Comfort (ISFp)

If you are xNFp, which word describes you best:
Energetic (INFp)
Comfort (ENFp)

If you are xNFj, which word describes you best:
Energetic (ENFj)
Comfort (INFj)

If you are xSTp, which word describes you best:
Energetic (ESTp)
Comfort (ISTp)

If you are xSTj, which word describes you best:
Energetic (ISTj)
Comfort (ESTj)

[HarryBottom]

I like it. Worked well for me.

[Creepy-]

dfgdf

[Hugo]

Harry Bottom and Steve: Thanks for your imput.

I think my N and S definitions are clear.

I had problems with the T and F definitions, which may be why there was a problem.

Can anyone help me out?

I think the F definition has to relate to one's own emotions, rather than someone elses emotions.

I initially thought of the following definitions:

T - I hold back my emotions
F - I let out my emotions

Please tell me what you think?

However, I will put these into the test instead.

[Rocky]

Hugo, some F's wwould say they hold back their emotions too. I have an ENFP friend who does the same. I don't know if that is common to a lot of ENFPs or if it is some masculine, homophobic thing, but certainly not all F's let their emotions out.

[Hugo]

Thanks Rocky.

Since my last posting, I thought of the following definitions:

T - I express logical reasons.

F - I express my emotions.


I have put the following in the test instead.

F - I am influenced by emotions.

T - I am influenced by logical reasons.


Please tell me what you think, and how you personally rank the descrptions. Thanks.

[Rocky]

NT-SF
And what was wrong with the original descriptions?

I am aware of people’s emotions. (F)
I am aware of logical defects. (T)

Maybe change (T) to something like "I have a sense of objectivity." and keep the (F) the same.


P.S. you have the T and the F switched on the test.

[Hugo]

I think the word "objectivity" might not be understood easily by everyone. It's a big word. But I could be wrong.

The sentence "I am aware of people’s emotions." is more to do with other people's feelings rather than your own feelings.

The sentence "I am aware of logical defects." seems to be negative - like a glass have empty instead of half full.

Also, the two sentences did not help Steve to get an accurate result.

Thanks for pointing out that the T and the F are switched on the test. I have sorted it out above. I have also slightly amended the wording of the test for S and N.

I appreciate your input.

I hope the test still works for you. :wink:

[Creepy-an ixtp (probably istp)]

How about this?

I tend to think about...

• people, the emotion and social matters (prefer Fe)
• the human life, mental matters and goodness/badness (prefer Fi)
• how can let things go or go on it (prefer Te)
• the rules how things go (prefer Ti)

and/but

• am good at pouring energy into people to make them to do things. (strong Fe)
• am hard to understand what other person sees and sometimes go wrong with others without good reason. (weak Fe)
• am good at dealing with my emotion and hope others can do it. (strong Fi)
• am hard to notice a social sense of values and sometimes find myself in trouble with it. (weak Fi)
• have less trouble with suggesting realistic ways to solve a problem or mechanical things and can helps others with it. (strong Te)
• have many trouble with reality of thought and so get caught in an unpleasant dispute only to lose out painfully. (weak Te)
• have less trouble with think of systems, theories or principles in spite of others often can't understand them. (strong Ti)
• have many trouble with letting others understand my thought and so get simply ignored or blames for poor knowledge(even just because it is not from having wrong or less knowledge). (weak Ti)

The first list just finds your favorite function, can't distinguish conscious functional use from unconscious ones, so use second one to detect weakness. Although weaknesses can't always appear, ranking them by your life tendency will make some sence.

[Hugo]

an ixtp (probably istp): It's quite good.

[Hugo]

My test has been updated.

[Koneko]

...From strongest
 I am influenced by possibilities. (N)
 I am influenced by emotions. (F)
 I am influenced by logical reasons. (T)
 I am influenced by my surroundings. (S)
...To weakest

I had no difficult sorting that out

[Hugo]

Thanks Koneko

What this means is that you are an INFj with an Intuitive subtype.

I am happy for you.

[Koneko]

Thanks Koneko

What this means is that you are an INFj with an Intuitive subtype.

I am happy for you.

Awesome! Paw of Quality for your test then "o3" =^^=!

[Hugo]

Thanks.

[The Exception]

Put the following sentences in order, starting with the sentence that describes you the best and finishing with the sentence that describes you the worst.

 I am influenced by possibilities. (N)
 I am influenced by my surroundings. (S)
 I am influenced by emotions. (F)
 I am influenced by logical reasons. (T)


I'd rank them in order of best to worse: T, N, F, S
Works for me.

Laura
INTj

[Hugo]

Thanks

[stefana]

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[Hugo]

From strongest to weakest:

 I am influenced by possibilities. (N)
 I am influenced by emotions. (F)
 I am influenced by my surroundings. (S)
 I am influenced by logical reasons. (T)

This shows that you are xNFp. So far so good.

The next thing to do is to look at the socionic moods for INFp and ENFp to see if you are I or E.

ENFp - playfulness; tinge of irony; acceptance; frivolous; warm curiosity about people and relationships
INFp - wacky, goofy, dreamy; clown; interested in people’s inner life and where people are going with their emotional life

[stefana]

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[Hugo]

Good stuff.

[Eidos]

I am influenced by logical reasons. (T)
I am influenced by possibilities. (N)

I am influenced by my surroundings. (S)
I am influenced by emotions. (F)

ENTj - Unbridled optimism; like movement; energetic; opportunistic; like to test limits

Works

[Hugo]

Excellent.

[Slava]

 I am influenced by emotions. (F)

Of course I am, its my suggestive function

[Hugo]

[Typeless Wonder]

I have put the following in the test instead.

F - I am influenced by emotions.

T - I am influenced by logical reasons.

I'm definately influenced more by my emotions than my sense of logic. I think I tend to be more motivated by the possibilities I see though and focus more on them. I think for me the order is like this from strongest to weakest:

I am influenced by possibilities. (N)
I am influenced by emotions. (F)
I am influenced by my surroundings. (S)
I am influenced by logical reasons. (T)

I initially thought of the following definitions:

T - I hold back my emotions
F - I let out my emotions

I don't like the F definition to be honest. I don't put my emotions out there for people to see even though I rely on them to guide me when dealing with people if that's what you mean. Maybe that's what you mean by letting out your emotions? When I read your definition I think of someone getting histrionic, but I do think I frequently express my emotions in more subtle fashions now that I think of it.

[Creepy-]

fgd

[Hugo]

Thank you very much.

[Angel von Himmel]

Hugo, are you sure you ARE NOT my quasi-identical ... I have a hard time understanding the format of these test and I have to majorly deconstruct and reinterpret them to understand what it is they are suppose to be conveying.

I think it has something to do with our types and how we look at information ...

[Hugo]

Tell me what you don't specifically understand about this test.

(...but you told me that you got an accurate result)

[Slava]

Hugo, are you sure you ARE NOT my quasi-identical ... I have a hard time understanding the format of these test and I have to majorly deconstruct and reinterpret them to understand what it is they are suppose to be conveying.

I think it has something to do with our types and how we look at information ...

Quasis seem to have a hard time interpretting each other because each of them has a different definition of simplification. For example an ENTJ would simplify a sentence by condensing as many concepts and words as possible into one that matches the definition, and an ENTP would try to break down complex words into basically a dictionary definition of it. So they work against each other when speaking and this may cause tension because it seems like one person is purposely complicating things. It must somehow be the same for the F types too... based on this an ENFJ would try to shove all feelings into one?, and an enfp would try to break the feelings down into pieces? hehe damn feeligns are too complex.

[Angel von Himmel]

Tell me what you don't specifically understand about this test.

(...but you told me that you got an accurate result)

Well, I can eventually figure out how to do these test; I just have to work at it. It just seems like these things are oversimplified to the point to where they do not mean anything and I have to deconstruct and build on them is all.

[Angel von Himmel]

Hugo, are you sure you ARE NOT my quasi-identical ... I have a hard time understanding the format of these test and I have to majorly deconstruct and reinterpret them to understand what it is they are suppose to be conveying.

I think it has something to do with our types and how we look at information ...

Quasis seem to have a hard time interpretting each other because each of them has a different definition of simplification. For example an ENTJ would simplify a sentence by condensing as many concepts and words as possible into one that matches the definition, and an ENTP would try to break down complex words into basically a dictionary definition of it. So they work against each other when speaking and this may cause tension because it seems like one person is purposely complicating things. It must somehow be the same for the F types too... based on this an ENFJ would try to shove all feelings into one?, and an enfp would try to break the feelings down into pieces? hehe damn feeligns are too complex.

Well, maybe hugo is not my quasi, but there is some weird type relationship thing going on that makes it difficult to understand the way we construct our material.

Hugo, you are INFj, INFp, or neither? ... I forgot

[Hugo]

I am INTj with intuitive subtype. I am definately not extroverted. I do admire ENTj's however. Also you are not the first person to have thought that I am ENTj on this forum.

You and Transigent, both ENTps have had problems with this test. However, nobody else has raised an issue. I have been getting great feedback.

I just don't get why you and Transigent don't understand the test.

[Hugo]

Actually, Waddlesworth and Topaz said they were not in a position to do the test. They are also both ENTps.

[MysticSonic]

I thought Topaz was an ENFp...

[Hugo]

Sorry. Yes you are right.

[science as magic]

Topaz = ENFp Transigent = xNFp (last i checked).

I take issue with your tests too as did CuriousSoul I believe he was just typically polite like INFjs tend to be. Others doubt your methods as well like the Admin and others...

[MysticSonic]

I've actually objected a few times, though I often seem to get too excited in the process, thus I don't bring my objections up anymore.

[Angel von Himmel]

I actually like and admire Hugo's test, I just wish I can understand how to figure out types with them.